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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

It defines the economic elite as 140k. This is not anywhere near the same as the social group you referred to. Some do of course but that is just because your definition was so loose.

That and the brevity of your post is what made me mistake your intentions and I apologise for my part in that.

It appears that we agree to some extent. Amusing.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

Since most people are quite ignorant when it comes to politics realities and the corporate run media pretty much own their opinions this is hardly surprising.

I would argue that what you just said is akin to saying that a cage full of chimps voted for D/R 50% each so therefore chimps are evenly distributed on the concept of US politics.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

"The parent poster was referring to wealth as defined by the study, not their personal definition"
Not they weren't. The social class they referred to does not earn the sums they were talking about on average. Just having a degree does not make you wealthy. And many of those in high tech do not even hit the 100k/yr mark.
So no...

"I think most would agree that they've encountered very few, if any, politicians that perfectly and completely align with their political preferences"
That is a very limp statement. We are talking about people being UNALIGNED with their political preferences. And most people vote for a party and not a candidate anyway - despite what the tick box says.

"However, given the choice of a Democrat and an "establishment" Republican, the free market advocate would, generally, be wise to vote Republican, rather than not vote at all."
Both parties are two different flavours of free market parties. Or are you one of those deluded people who think the democrats are a leftist party?!
Once you cut through the US-centric and myopic spin and rhetoric of the "left vs right" fantasy of US politics you will see that there is very little difference between the two parties from a global perspective.

"That strikes me as counter-intuitive"
That is why the study was interesting. Studies that confirm people's "common sense" are not as interesting. It also explained the question of why people voted for a party that did not align with their situation and benefit them.

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52 Million Photos In FBI's Face Recognition Database By Next Year

MrBigInThePants Re:I grew a beard (108 comments)

Irrelevant.

And considering we are talking about facial recognition here even more so. Humans are naturally very good at it. Computers are not.
This goes for most pattern recognition which is a fundamental of human intelligence.

That is part of the field of AI. Both in concept and in the official definition.

Just face it dude. You are WRONG with a capital "nah nah na nah nah" and waggly moose horns.

Deal with it.

And who the hell cares whether YOU think this is worthy of being called AI? The height of arrogance really.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

Two points:

1) People fighting the war RARELY fight for the same reasons as those funding, running and starting the war - PR and propaganda has always been a wartime feature as far back as we know. The main exception being when a country is attacked outright but not always even then.

2) Most people are ignorant of how their society actually works - especially in the civil war period you speak of.

So your generalisation is rather unfair to all those rather "brave" people. I always have some respect for people who are willing to make great sacrifices for their convictions - regardless of how misguided those convictions may be.

I remember telling a friend how I admired the local skinheads for their protest march. She was incredulous as you would expect but my point was that anyone who can protest something like that while hundreds hurl abuse at them and think they are scum could teach the general public livestock a thing or two about standing up for what you believe in and banding together as a community.

Of course while still finding their position repulsive.

And I understand that most people lack the moral complexity to understand my above statement - more is the pity.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

Work on your delivery....

And I have been labelled a troll sometimes.

One has to have the courage of their convictions.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

And yet here you are with your politicians bought and sold.

This sort of thing never goes on in public nor could were it to be advocated for in public. I am sorry but to suggest that this is proof that they don't want this to happen is rather naive and pathetic.

“Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.”
- Adam Smith

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Revolt? (762 comments)

The centralisation just makes it easier to infiltrate - they have been doing this for decades.

An example used round the world was in China where before an event they went around and just blatantly pre-arrested a bunch of people. They did this hear in NZ in the 60's with "dawn raids" also.
Another tactic I saw used recently was in the Occupy movement where the police and councils arrested protesters and took them to court on trumped up charges and tried to send them bankrupt. They managed to get off in the end but only because a lawyer stepped to help up for free.

There are many other tactics as well.

It will happen in your country too in time, nothing sure. It probably already happens.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Revolt? (762 comments)

I agree that this is what happens but not that it has to happen.

After the revolution people go back to being livestock and while they slumber the same old 24/7 sociopaths go to work and do the same all over again.

The aftermath of revolution provides many opportunities for such to rise to the top and history bears this out.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Revolt? (762 comments)

I am not sorry about that but they will certainly sorry if they try to arrest and/or strip search me when the revolution comes.

MY FILTH IS MY ARMOUR!

And I wont be all that popular at protests I can tell you.

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52 Million Photos In FBI's Face Recognition Database By Next Year

MrBigInThePants Re:I grew a beard (108 comments)

Dear Mr Coward,

I did my masters in AI so I do in fact know exactly what it is about. YOU don't get to define the term or the field.

Fortunately it is common knowledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

I know, I know - it sucks having someone so easily point out how so wrong you were when all you you wanted to do was post an angry, snarky post about something you actually know very little about but were hoping no one would notice.

So sorry about that little fella.

But hey, I may never aim to please but I am pleased to aim.

2 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Duh (762 comments)

I guess he misses ever second one then...

2 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Revolt? (762 comments)

In solidarity I will stop showering and changing my underpants until this is fixed....

2 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Revolt? (762 comments)

I doubt it.

Rich and well known people typically end up LEADING it due to their experience but what STARTS it is usually unrest and dissatisfaction in the general populace.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Revolt? (762 comments)

Good luck with that.

While your entire country has been sleeping (and still is - don't think this article will change anything) your government has been ensuring they have the tools to infiltrate, spy on and destroy any such grass-roots movement.

- NSA
- FBI
- CIA
- Homeland Security
- National Guard
- Militarised police forces
- Autonomous drones

Like I said, good luck with that...

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:"little influence" (762 comments)

I know it will come as a great shock and surprise but there are some in the world (although it appears fewer every day) who believe that study, evidence and experimentation are required to ascertain the truth of things.

This is as opposed to "common sense", listening to talk-back radio, speaking at the TV from your armchair and talking shit with your mate over a beer.

Like yourself, I am sure it is a load of nonsense.

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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

MrBigInThePants Re:Are you kidding (762 comments)

You are being naive in your definition of wealth and are in fact completely very wrong in this. But don't feel ashamed, many other middle/upper class around the world have this wrong also and that is why they vote republican (in the US) or for other neo-con parties that do not actually represent their interests in practice - despite their rhetoric. (studies showing that many in the middle classes believing they will be wealthy soon and thus voting as if they were)

You are talking about "upper class" and not the sort of wealthy they are talking about in this article.

The problem with the above mentality (i.e. "I've got mine, fuck you") is that neo-cons are NOT all that good for the upper class. They are only good for the super-wealthy, the finance companies/banks etc. Being well off you will avoid the worst of the symptoms of a country led by their dogma, but you will not be better off.

So such people are not just greedy, they are stupid and greedy - the two usually go together in my experience.

And the article is not a surprise to anyone who reads the news even badly.

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52 Million Photos In FBI's Face Recognition Database By Next Year

MrBigInThePants Re:I grew a beard (108 comments)

Wrong.

The field of AI is not just about movie-style artificial humans.

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Climate Scientist: Climate Engineering Might Be the Answer To Warming

MrBigInThePants Re:What if we overcorrect? (340 comments)

If you don't mind I will leave it to the experts who spend years studying it and then devote their lives to it.

As opposed...say...to people who live near the ocean....

3 days ago
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Mr. Schmidt Goes To Washington: A Look Inside Google's Lobbying Behemoth

MrBigInThePants Re:Not a good sign... (114 comments)

"People do not have much of a chance against a system which forces them to operate by its rules."

They did, but that time is past. "They" dropped the ball and now it is in the corporate neighbours yard and they have a very big and mean dog guarding it. Its still their fault its there.

Also many of the PR techniques are transparent and the levels of ignorance display often times is rather wilful.

So I will not lay off them at all thank you very much.

And I have proposed countless ideas but this is not the forum and no one significant would pay attention anyway. (I am not rich enough for one...)

3 days ago

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