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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:You lie -- the method was wrong (285 comments)

Follow up was not necessarily, since it was *not* the case (as you falsely assumed) that the survey was administered immediately after someone had downloaded OpenOffice.

about 5 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:OpenOffice? (285 comments)

Needless to say. I'd love to compare to LibreOffice download numbers. They used to quote them, back when they started. But for some unknown reason they stopped publishing such numbers as soon as Apache OpenOffice started publishing their numbers,

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:100M downloads are nice... (285 comments)

You either did not read the survey results or did not understand them. Survey participants were asked about "the software application called OpenOffice". They were asked whether:

1) They had heard of it

2) They had tried it

3) They use it occasionally

4) They use it regularly.

The "continued to use" percentage is the sum of "they use it occasionally" and "they use it regularly". It excludes those who just tried it.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:downloads != usage (285 comments)

I'm not sure you read or understood what was in my blog post. In particular, one of the survey choices was "I tried it once". That was around 6% of survey participants. Absolutely no where is it assumed that a person is a regular user just because they installed OpenOffice.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:Survey the fanboys (285 comments)

Actually, the survey was repeated, three times over 18 months, with similar results. And Google Consumer Survey's does post -stratification weighting to ensure the survey participants match the target demographic by age, sex, geography and income. The approach has been validated. So I have a good data set.

I seem to have all the facts here, while you seem to have all the opinions.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:Cue the fanboys with dubious survey data (285 comments)

Actually not. It was a random survey, conducted via Google Consumer Surveys. I had absolutely no input on the surveyed participants.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:Over 100 million downloads... (285 comments)

Actually, we do have those stats, via surveys. 78% of users who try OpenOffice continue using it.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:OpenOffice? (285 comments)

I can say with authority that it was 100 million of full installs of Apache OpenOffice specifically, not counting OpenOffice.org release, not including beta releases, not including language packs.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:downloads != usage (285 comments)

According to our survey data, 78% of those who try OpenOffice continue to use it. And I suspect (though I have not wasted time on that specific survey question) that far more than 30% of those who download it install it. In fact, it would be a common occurrence to download once and install on multiple machines.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:A few observations and suggestions (285 comments)

Your theory is sound, but your numbers are not. For example, Apache OpenOffice has only had 4 releases in two years.

There are many other factors to consider: Users can take the same download and install on multiple machines, they might share with friends or family members (I do that). A corporate installation might have a single download sitting on a network file server shared with many. There are also many 3rd party sites that themselves have seen millions of OpenOffice downloads, e.g., download.com. And of course, not all users upgrade, or upgrade quickly.

In any case it is a fair point that you cannot simply equate downloads with users.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:100M downloads are nice... (285 comments)

I actually have been looking into that question and tracking it via surveys. Of those who tried OpenOffice, 78% continued to use it "sometimes" or "regularly":

See: http://www.robweir.com/blog/20...

Unless you are a business user you are unlikely to use any office application daily.

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina Re:OpenOffice? (285 comments)

If that were true then there would not have been 100 million downloads of Apache OpenOffice, would there? Therefore...

about 4 months ago
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Apache OpenOffice Reaches 100 Million Downloads. Now What?

Palestrina A few observations and suggestions (285 comments)

Microsoft claims 1 billion MS Office users. No doubt some/many are pirated, but that gives a sense for the scale of the potential user base for OpenOffice. And from what I've seen, Apache OpenOffice gets around 1 million downloads per week, a steady rate that can certainly continue for quite a while. So even if Apache did nothing, we would get to another 100 million downloads in another two years.

The question is whether we want to glide or really take off?

To really advance among mainstream end-users, people like your mother, this will only happen as average people, not just the techies, learn about open source and are comfortable with it. This means better documentation, especially geared toward newbies.

To advance among corporate users OpenOffice needs better interop with Microsoft Office. Yes, I hate to say that as much as you probably hate to hear it, but it is the reality we (some of us at least) live with.

Finally, we should find a way to extend the OpenOffice brand to the web and tablet editing experience, since traditional desktop PC use is a diminishing proposition.

about 4 months ago
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SUSE's LibreOffice Core Team Moves To Collabora

Palestrina SUSE does an Oracle (72 comments)

It sounds like SUSE, the largest contributor to LibreOffice, is ending their investment in LibreOffice, and their engineers are looking for new employment. This echos the way they got out of the Mono business a few years ago. But taking the same people and putting them in a much smaller company, with far less enterprise sales experience, is not something that will cause Microsoft to lose any sleep.

1 year,12 days
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Watch out Microsoft, Collabora is bringing value added LibreOffice

Palestrina More competition? Hardly. (2 comments)

It sounds like SUSE, the largest contributor to LibreOffice, is ending their investment in LibreOffice, and their engineers are looking for new employment. This echos the way they got out of the Mono business a few years ago. But taking the same people and putting them in a much smaller company, with far less enterprise sales experience, is not something that will cause Microsoft to lose any sleep.

1 year,13 days
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Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Released With Major New Features

Palestrina Re:And LibreOffice is already merging improvements (238 comments)

You were either attempting to argue against my claim that there were contributions from LibreOffice coming back into Apache OpenOffice, in an ad hominen attack. Or you were merely interjecting irrelevancies. I'm willing to accept that you were merely being irrelevant. In any case you never bothered to substantiate *any* of your claims so I waste no time rebutting them.

about a year ago
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Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Released With Major New Features

Palestrina Re:Sidebar the differentiator - really? (238 comments)

I hope you know that you did not address my argument at all but merely attacked me personally.

There was a false assertion that the Sidebar was not done at Apache. I rebutted that. I then remarked that LibreOffice *supporters* seem to have difficulty graciously accepting the fact that the most notable feature of LO 4.1 is coming from Apache. You responded by saying that you have never seem a TDF member saying anything bad about AOO. That is irrelevant, since that was not my claim. And it is also untrue since I could point to ample examples of this.

From my perspective LO is downstream. A look at their logs shows that their use of AOO code is frequent and routine. They are not occasionally cherry picking, but deliberately mining every relevant patch:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=aoo/trunk&showmsg=1

In any case, I imagine this large scale use of AOO code is a source of some cognitive dissonance for them, after spending so much time trying to convince themselves that having a fork was better than working together with Apache, arguing that nothing good would ever come from Apache. Now they are faced once again with the inconvenient facts, that the AOO code is good, it is worth taking in large quantities. In fact their users are demanding this. TDF members were beaten up quite a bit at a recent conference from users demanding to know when they would improve their UI like Apache was. Somehow they need to reconcile these facts and their actions with their ongoing stance of non-cooperation with Apache.

about a year ago
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Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Released With Major New Features

Palestrina Re:And LibreOffice is already merging improvements (238 comments)

I'll take your diversion to ad hominem attacks as a concession that my rebuttal of your claim is valid and you have no actual response.

about a year ago
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Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Released With Major New Features

Palestrina Re:They seem to be doing a fine job. (238 comments)

Again, you introduced yourself into a specific subthread and make an ad hominen attack rather than address the argument. *Who* you are is immaterial. *Where* you are in the thread is material. Start a new subthread for a new topic. Or maybe skip irrelevancies altogether?

about a year ago
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Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Released With Major New Features

Palestrina Re:They seem to be doing a fine job. (238 comments)

You should really look up what "ad hominem" means. It does not mean a personal attack. It means that instead of attacking the logic of the argument you change the subject to the person, which is exactly what you did. Twice.

about a year ago

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