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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

The definition of "gamer" has never been limited to the subset of wargames.

The modern "gamer" is not limited to those who play wargames.

But when talking about the "gamer" community, it most definitely has inherited aspects of the wargaming communities. The obsession with the hobby and the development and exploitation of detailed and complex rules is more related to wargames than Monopoly.

I'll also note that the Monopoly "gamer" isn't the one fueling million dollar gaming events we see today. (LOL, DotA2, fighting games, etc)

And when I'm referring to modern economic warfare I'm not talking about the monopolistic practices of standard oil, but the much more recent war on the middle class over the last 40 years, where the middle class lost its economic clout, and hasn't had a real increase in income, despite productivity increasing over 100% during that time period.

Accumulating power and exploiting it is hardly the invention of a 1933 boardgame. Monopoly is no economic simulator.

3 days ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

Monopoly was certainly a "gamer" game for its' time.

Nope, competitive, but still not a wargame. I used the word "wargame" for a reason. Words mean things, and you have made a habit of making substitutions without comment.

Do you think blockbuster video games such as CoD and ME3 and the like find their roots in Monopoly? Roll the dice and loop around the board => stats and guns and shooting enemies?

Monopoly is a game where you try to bankrupt your opponents. It presages modern economic warfare.

You've got to be kidding me on "presaging" modern economic warfare. Do you know what a tariff is? Do you know when anti-monopolistic legislation was created?

4 days ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

And that "observation" was clearly wrong. It wasn't an observation because anyone observing would have seen that the D&D contingent was miniscule in terms of overall gaming at the time. It employs the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. "No true gamer would play Monopoly or Risk." And yet tens of millions, of both sexes, did every year.

Interesting.

Monopoly is not a wargame. Risk came 40 years after the Little Wars was published. Even accepting your un-sourced numbers, that an equal number of girls may have played Risk does not negate an observation made in a previous era.

On that of that, "gamer" is more than just, "I played Risk/foo-game a couple of times". It's a passion and hobby. Men formed clubs for this past-time. The women gamers, as far as they existed, did not.

4 days ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

Because the implication is, as the original quote made clear, that reading a book is something boys do, or intelligent girls.

Not at all. The book specifically refers to the female readers of a boys' book. The author thinks liking a boys' book is something an intelligent sort of female would do. It doesn't say that all intelligent females like boys' books; which would imply that no intelligent female dislikes boys' books. Since the statement does allow for an intelligent sort of female who dislikes boys' books, the only way to take offense is to create it.

BTW, I didn't have any problem with the sentence, "intelligent sort of boy who likes girls' games and books". It does take a special mindset to appreciate some things. I don't like girls' games and books, but I don't find it insulting if I'm not included in a particular set of "intelligent people" - especially when I'm not in the targeted audience!

But the original article is also wrong about gamers, and falls into the trap of sexism by assuming that the original gamers were more than 99% males, because D*amp;D attracted that audience.

An observation that gaming was mainly interesting to guys is not a sexist assumption. The book did not claim any percentages, just generally observed that most girls didn't care for the activity.

5 days ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:I don't get the rage (238 comments)

It's this sort of utter bullshit that offends me. I hear it constantly from the left - all arguments are ad-hominum. "If you disagree, you can only be a racist." "If you disagree, you can only be sexist." "If you disagree, you must be a Nazi". And on and on like that for decades.

PopeRatzo's bio labels himself as an "leftwing extremist", so go figure.

5 days ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

Let;'s turn it on it's head:

"the more intelligent sort of boy_ , the one _ who likes girl's games and books"

You butchered the quote to add an emphasis that wasn't there. It's not that hard to do a search/replace for girl/boy.

for that more intelligent sort of boy who likes girls' games and books

Second, the quote is not attempting to describe "intelligent girls", but "the intelligent sort of girl". What difference does it make? The quote does not say any thing about the "intelligent sort of girl" who doesn't like boys' games and books. The author is not saying they do not exist or that they are inferior - they're just not part of his intended audience and so he doesn't refer to them at all.

If you're a gaming girl who's reading the book, essentially you're being complimented by the author as being intelligent. Do you usually get upset at people who pay you compliments?

Are you going to hold it against me if I call you clever, since there exist girls I won't be calling clever in that same statement? Do I need to say ALL GIRLS ARE CLEVER instead, to avoid possibly giving offense to anyone?

5 days ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

Doesn't say that.

At worst, the statement excludes the less intelligent sort of girl who likes boys' games and books. And well, it is a book. (The girls who don't like boys' games and books won't care about not being the audience for a boys' game book.)

Any girl gamers who consider themselves the less intelligent sort of girl and are offended by not being included?

about a week ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Re:Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

Well, it is a put-down for the average girl, since "the more intelligent sort of girl" would be the one who likes "boy's games and books."

Doesn't say that the girls who don't like boy's games/books are dumb. By this standard, every comparative compliment demonstrates disdain.

"That girl is fitter than most"

"OMG, you think the average girl is fat?!?!"

The point of the description is to describe a set of people. It's not making claims about people outside the set.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

What reality do you live in? Perhaps you have some completely different Germans over there.

Your pretty graph shows a % difference year of year. That's nice, but a quick look finds this. Total up the numbers, you get 379 TWH. Renewables total to 30% of the energy produced, but that still leaves 70% of the energy produced by other means, including nuclear.

So has renewables replaced nuclear? No, it's still used, and even drawn down it provides more power than solar and wind combined.

Can renewables replace nuclear? Not likely due to the factors I mentioned before, but it'll be interesting to see it tried.

The total historical subsidies for renewables in Germany are a fraction of the total historical subsidies for coal and nuclear in Germany. Why don't you explain the need for subsidies for coal and nuclear?

Citation, please. What is the true cost of the existing generation, and how does it compare to true costs for renewables?

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

There's no need to double it. That makes no sense whatsoever. Use your brain for once. For example, why would daylight PV generation during load peaks need to be duplicated by other plants at night during load valleys? What purpose would that serve?

If you want weather to not have any effect on power delivery, then you need the capacity to handle adverse weather disabling the contribution of the renewables.

On a large enough scale, you don't need to do double, since it's unlikely that all of the renewables go down at the same time, but there's still a need for backup capacity - and per you, they only get "hours notice" of when it's needed.

Renewables aren't just on a daily cycle.

about a week ago
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How Women Became Gamers Through D&D

SillyHamster Where is this "disdain" coming from? (238 comments)

overturning a sixty-year-old dogma that was born when Wells's Little Wars first assumed the "disdain" of women for gaming.

The quote is "for that more intelligent sort of girl who likes boys' games and books." Nothing about disdain.

And judging by the gaming friends I've interacted with over the years, the quote holds true for gaming even today. The ratios are close to even in social games (including MMOs), not so much for shooter/wargames.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

Let's just ignore for the moment that even with zero renewables in the German grid, the same thing would have happened because a replacement for the power generation capacity would have to come from somewhere... Of course, I can imagine you'd blame in on renewable energy anyway, just for sport. :-p

When someone's praising Germany for pushing renewable energy to the "benefit" of the country, I think it is relevant to note that:

1.) Renewables can't meet the energy needs. Nuclear is replaced not by renewables (not even a fat chance), but with coal.

2.) The push to renewables has "benefited" Germans with higher energy costs. Most people don't think of higher costs as a benefit. I suppose you could try to blame the cost increase entirely on the switch to coal - but that doesn't explain the need for subsidies for renewables.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

So of the two facts, do you wish to refute that (1) Germany is burning far more coal, or (2) that it's paying higher energy costs due to heavy subsidies for "renewable" energy?

Your link refutes neither of those facts. Unless you think coal-burning is an amazing new technology to export to the rest of the world, there's nothing special to imitate here.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

I'm fine with less expensive electricity, as long as all externalities are accounted for.

No, you'd simply get switched to another source for that duration. Isn't that the whole point of all those wires?

The backup power source ready to switch on with an hour's notice is part of what makes solar/wind more expensive. Double the capacity needed just to occasionally make use of "greener" solar or wind energy.

Count all of the externalities.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

Oh, no, no, no. That's not a problem of those sources being "crappy", they work just fine, thank you. That's a problem of the contemporary grid being inflexible. Was AC "crappy"? When we were switching from (low-voltage) DC, to AC, it was the grid that had to change, not the generators. Why should this be any different?

Because we don't have to use this more fickle, more expensive power generation at all. This is driven more by marketing and scare tactics (save the world!) than actual improvement.

And PV isn't "off" on cloudy days. Oh, and both wind and PV output can be predicted at least hours in advance. It's not like they just suddenly stop working, surprising everyone.

It'll have differing output based on weather. Contrast that with a power generator that outputs rated power regardless if it's stormy outside or not.

Hours notice is indeed crappy. Last time they took down power to my work building, they gave us two weeks notice to minimize impact to operations. Wouldn't that be great for productivity when you have to time your compiles and coding to the weather?

Yes, you can work around these shortcomings - but that's exactly the reason why it's crappy. You have to find all these workarounds that shouldn't be necessary at all.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

No need to guess, we already know. Germany has the right idea. Get in early, develop the technology and knowledge, then sell it to the rest of the world. As an added bonus the German people get their energy grid back, with public ownership of infrastructure that works for their benefit, not a private company's profit.

It's amazing you can say that with a straight face.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24914-germanys-energy-revolution-on-verge-of-collapse.html#.VD1qIGd0zVg

Key facts:

"Yet in 2013, coal burning soared to its highest level for more than 20 years."

So no improvement on the rationale for the switch. (And why coal? Because wind/solar aren't reliable generation)

"Then, last week, economy and energy minister Sigmar Gabriel said he will slash wind and solar subsidies by a third, to cut rising energy bills."

Increased energy costs are a harm, not a benefit.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

The markets are not a zero sum game...

Zero-sum games have no relevance to mal-investment/speculative failure.

If you invest large amounts of capital in cow farts as the energy of the future, and it turns out it isn't, you've wasted those resources.

it's one thing if that was done with proper risk/benefit analysis - it's another thing if it was based on scare-tactics and fantastic thinking.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

You think the grid will just "switch" in "2-3 years", like suddenly? Everyone around me argues "we can't plug in more solar or wind, the grid can't handle it, it will collapse!

That's a function of Solar/Wind being crappy power generating methods.

Solar - off during the night and cloudy days.

Wind - off whenever the wind decides to die down. Watch out when a storm comes through.

Contrast that with all of the other power generation methods, which are much more independent of weather. Availability matters, and the downtime on other power generation is at least an order of magnitude lower.

about a week ago
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Wind Power Is Cheaper Than Coal, Leaked Report Shows

SillyHamster Re:Read the Report (608 comments)

Sooner or later, a transmission infrastructure upgrade will be cheaper than dealing with the rising fuel prices and external costs. I don't see how this could be possibly a matter of "if" rather than "when".

If this happens, the transition will happen pretty naturally following the prices of energy/fuel.

Trying to pre-emptively optimize for the "right" outcome ignores the risk of guessing the wrong new future energy tech.

about a week ago
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Statisticians Uncover What Makes For a Stable Marriage

SillyHamster Re:Questiona re a bit sexists (445 comments)

In some places there is still quite a high stigma in divorce. There shouldn't be, a relevant quote is "Divorce isn't the death of a marriage. Divorce is the funeral", but still there are people who won't get divorced for some reason when there is no value in their marriage. This may be stronger among some Christians (and other religions where one of the couple isn't really asked about their opinion in the matter).

Have you heard of the military story where a general burned his ships/bridges to remove his ability to retreat, leading to victory?

People act based on their options. People who "can't afford" divorce will put more effort into making the marriage work - and that effort can pay off and lead to a better outcome than a divorce.

It's not a guarantee of a better outcome for individual cases - but is it overall a better strategy at the societal level? Has marriage improved with easier divorce?

about a week ago

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