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Linus Torvalds: 'I Still Want the Desktop'

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Linus wants the Desktop? (727 comments)

Yes, an engineer which is great when you're dealing with computers. But a desktop is essentially dealing with humans which is a completely different problem set and I would say a lot harder. In GNOME, it takes an enormous time to get all the details right on a user interface. It is nothing like working with a kernel. It isn't as easy as you think it is.

Man, you really got over the line now. Are you dismissing LInus Torvalds because the "Kernel is not as complicated and easier"?

No one's saying that making Gnome 3 was easy. We were just saying that Gnome 3 was a nightmare - two completely different things,

Dealing with humans is harder than dealing with the kernel. Dealing how they interact with a computer is quite a bit different. It is an entire research subject. GNOME 3's deployment could have gone better. It would have been better to allow people to parallel install both and let them move when they were comfortable. The design itself continues to be a successful work in progress. Next iteration, I will likely make sure that we don't do it this way.

Even the early desktops took all their designs from Windows 95, copying a lot of the look and feel because nobody was trained on how to write a user interface.

I really hope you are not one of the anthropologist that designed the Gnome 3.

The early desktops came from XFCE and OpenSTEP, that came from IBM's CDE and NeXT STEP - both initiatives predates Windows 95 by at least 1 year.

And no, neither CDE nor STEP have any ressembles on Windows 95.

Let me a bit more succinct. I'm saying that the people who were building Linux based desktops took a lot of their design from windows 95, amigaos, and various other desktops that were there before. All the examples you've stated doesn't invalidate what I said. We took our designs from someone else. The most popular ones are based on windows 95, GNOME and KDE.

Even today we're still messing around with the same design.

Wrong again, but not that much. MacOS is, as it was, very different from anything Microsoft did in the past or nowadays. At least, for while and on the Desktop.

And so is GNOME 3. However, the usage patterns completely changed and a lot of people (rightfully) were upset. But over time, it has gained acceptance and winning people back to the desktop. That could have happened faster if we had parallel installable GNOME versions.

I suppose you're just asking Linus Torvalds to re-engineer windows 95 interface, I suppose he could do that. But to do something new, and unique that requires an anthropologist.

Nopes. I just asking Linus to step up and LEAD a Desktop project.

The result will probably be not shiny and new and full of [insert your favorite insult here], but it will be usable, and it will works, and more importantly, it will get the job done without hassle - that what matters when the month ends and I have to pay my bills.

Why? What gives him the expertise to run a desktop project, exactly? Just because they are both software projects doesn't mean that he has the ability to lead a group of people working on UI and middleware projects. I don't think he's remotely interested in running it. Perhaps when I run into him at some conference I'll ask him. Perhaps you can ask him? In any case, I find it amusing that people think Linus is some kind of uber geek. Given the personal feedback he's given me, I know that his requirements are fairly modest compared to some.

about two weeks ago
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Professor Steve Ballmer Will Teach At Two Universities This Year

Sri Ramkrishna NBA or MBA season? :)_ (179 comments)

I read that as 'start of the MBA season'.. and I was thinking.. no fucking wonder the guy had to leave. Jeezus.

about two weeks ago
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Linus Torvalds: 'I Still Want the Desktop'

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Linus wants the Desktop? (727 comments)

The guy is a great engineer. Great engineers don't invent great things, they build great things - most of the time, using shitty things as experiments/prototypes/proofs of concepts in order to get the great thing done

Yes, an engineer which is great when you're dealing with computers. But a desktop is essentially dealing with humans which is a completely different problem set and I would say a lot harder. In GNOME, it takes an enormous time to get all the details right on a user interface. It is nothing like working with a kernel. It isn't as easy as you think it is. Even the early desktops took all their designs from Windows 95, copying a lot of the look and feel because nobody was trained on how to write a user interface. Even today we're still messing around with the same design.

I suppose you're just asking Linus Torvalds to re-engineer windows 95 interface, I suppose he could do that. But to do something new, and unique that requires an anthropologist.

about two weeks ago
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Linus Torvalds: 'I Still Want the Desktop'

Sri Ramkrishna Linus wants the Desktop? (727 comments)

You guys no nothing about Linus or how he likes to use his desktop. It's funny how people export their dreams and ideas to one man like this. The guy is not remotely qualified to write a desktop. Have you seen all the commands in git? The first round was a usability nightmare. Hell he himself would admit that.

about two weeks ago
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Elementary OS "Freya" Beta Released

Sri Ramkrishna Re:bad name. Kindergarten OS? (209 comments)

You didn't use retard as a verb as it was clearly defined in your little snippet. You used it as a noun, and as a noun it has a different meaning the meaning you're getting beaten up for. Accept gracefully, and move on.

about three weeks ago
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Elementary OS "Freya" Beta Released

Sri Ramkrishna Re:draws a lot of comparisons to Mac OS X (209 comments)

What do you mean to a lesser extent GNOME is heading in a similar direction? Just curious, because GNOME and Elementary share some close philosophical views on software use the same software stack.

about three weeks ago
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Elementary OS "Freya" Beta Released

Sri Ramkrishna Re:draws a lot of comparisons to Mac OS X (209 comments)

This is a silly argument. Perhaps they don't want to beholden to Apple but would like a nicely designed OS with great apps without having to go through iTunes and what not. We can make this argument with just about anything else if we want. There are plenty of us who want to use free software because it is ethical and responsible.

about three weeks ago
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Elementary OS "Freya" Beta Released

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Usability is THE killer feature that Linux need (209 comments)

They also hate designers. So, what do you do? There are a lot ore reasons why people are in Linux, some of it has nothing to do with well designed apps or eco-systems.

about three weeks ago
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Elementary OS "Freya" Beta Released

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Usability is THE killer feature that Linux need (209 comments)

A lot of what you're talking about is being done in GNOME. In fact, GNOME tends to get flamed because in order to implement some of those things you have to break cultural norms. Breaking cultural norms will garner a lot of flames as people who like the status quo tend to quite upset even if they are not using GNOME. GNOME for instance is the first project to have visual designers and a culture where FOSS developers actually consult designers to get a pleasing designer. Not usual for a open source project.

There is not only an app store concept that is being developed, but also a sandboxing mechanism for better safety when you run your apps. On top of that, you should be able to use apps that have older libraries and so forth using a system that Lennart Poettering has come up with. Again though, we do have to change Unix cultural for some of these things.

Right now, we need to continually upgrade ourselves otherwise, it will be Android that wlll be the desktop of choice on Linux machines. In fact, even the identifier 'Linux' will be gone, nobody will even know that they are running Linux since FSF can't seem to come up with something better than 'GNU/Linux". *sigh*

about three weeks ago
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Slashdot Asks: Do You Want a Smart Watch?

Sri Ramkrishna Re:@CauseBy - Re:Yes (381 comments)

Actually, hitting a button on your headset is easier. Your wrist is constantly in motion when you're running. Your head is relatively stationary so it is an easier target. While running you naturally swing your arms as a form of balance, to stop and try to use one hand to touch the other hand while maintaining a steady pace is awkward.

about a month and a half ago
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The First Person Ever To Die In a Tesla Is a Guy Who Stole One

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Why is this news? (443 comments)

Or only pitbulls can kill people, cars, and rain.

about 2 months ago
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Teaching College Is No Longer a Middle Class Job

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Administrators (538 comments)

This is so true. My wife, fixed our front loading washer looking at youtube video. You can even do tradesman craft if you know what you are doing.

about 2 months ago
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Teaching College Is No Longer a Middle Class Job

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Administrators (538 comments)

Not really. These days, at least for big corps, they just scan that stuff in and then suck it into a database.

about 2 months ago
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Teaching College Is No Longer a Middle Class Job

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Administrators (538 comments)

you're looking at over 30 years of Republican talking points starting from Reagan that has gotten into this state. Everything was about lowering taxes, and even though Reagan himself wasn't that crazy, everyone who followed him afterwards turned into something nuts. Now, some of this is of course resources and what not, but honestly, we need to change this thinking.

about 2 months ago
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Teaching College Is No Longer a Middle Class Job

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Administrators (538 comments)

Yeah, that's true. But then nobody goes to college then you know what happens? They bring in immigrants who have the degrees. So, that is not going to work. You need to find a way to reduce the cost of middle management. That's where the real cost savings are. Not in workers.

about 2 months ago
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Chelsea Clinton At NCWIT: More PE, Less Zuckerberg

Sri Ramkrishna Re:fondly remembering bullshit (255 comments)

After reading this comment, I'm sure I will be just as unimpressed with any pieces of paper that verify your intelligence.

about 3 months ago
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Chelsea Clinton At NCWIT: More PE, Less Zuckerberg

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Wait... (255 comments)

Too bad someone downvoted you. That's most unfortunate. A reasonable comment to boot.

about 3 months ago
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Chelsea Clinton At NCWIT: More PE, Less Zuckerberg

Sri Ramkrishna Re:Back at you. (255 comments)

History is extremely relevant. If you don't chronicle your past, and learn from it, you're doomed to repeat it. You can learn a lot from how people used to do things.

about 3 months ago

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GNOME 3.12 released

Sri Ramkrishna Sri Ramkrishna writes  |  about 5 months ago

Sri Ramkrishna (1856) writes "Like clockwork, the next version of GNOME has been released with updated applications, bugfixes and so forth. People can look forward to faster loading time and a little more performance than before. There is a video that is also been created to highlight the release! Check it out!"
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GNOME 3.8 released now with extra special GNOME Classic session

Sri Ramkrishna Sri Ramkrishna writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Sri Ramkrishna writes "it's that time again and GNOME project has put out the next release of the GNOME 3 series. Highlights include tighter integration with owncloud, new core apps, and for those who wanted the old GNOME 2 experience back, we have GNOME Classic which contains the familiar 2 bar configuration. New controls for privacy and search.and some improvements in shell performance. You can read all about it here"
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