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Sunrun Re:scary for net neutrality (400 comments)

People pay what they value something at. Soda for example costs maybe $0.05 to fill up a glass in a restaurant. Yet people pay $2.00 for sodas in sit down restaurants. Just because something has a high profit margin doesn't mean something's dishonest. It just means you found a successful product. It would be dishonest if they were telling me I was paying for Soda and instead getting some inferior concoction, but when a product is clearly labeled and the consumer agrees to pay a price for that product, it isn't dishonest.

...Which is the other reason I tend to stick to ordering just tap water when eating out (the first being that I just don't drink soft drinks for health reasons). That's a very apt analogy I hadn't considered -- point well made. Kudos!

Also, a lot of times businesses will lose money a in certain areas like when they sell you your phone under a 2 year contract, expecting to make that money back from services like this. Is it dishonest for them to sell me a phone at a loss and make money back by charging more for texting? Dishonesty would be if I went to best buy and they tell me that monster cables are amazingly superior to the $5 cables I can get from monoprice, but best buy simply selling monster cables for $50 is not dishonest, even though it's not worth that money, because they sell their TVs a lot lower than competition and expect to make it back on such accessories and service plans. That's not dishonesty, that's me being an uniformed consumer.

Funny you should mention Worst^H^H^H^H^HBest Buy and Monster Cables.. I've actually been told that exact thing by a Best Buy salesperson. I, too, happen to know better, but I would say this still constitutes dishonesty on their part, regardless of my level of awareness. Unless there's a difference between 'telling the consumer an outright lie' and 'not telling them anything about a product (or at least hoping they don't ask) and assuming they know all about it already', this seems to turn the "simply selling Monster Cables for $50" or 'selling text plans for $5/month' or 'selling unhealthy $2.00 soft drinks in restaurants' into a bit grayer of an issue than suggested. (Quite a bit grayer in the area of soft drinks.. Whose responsibility is it to look out for a consumer's health: the vendor or the consumer himself? Restaurants sell alcoholic beverages as well, also at a tidy profit. Yet it's clear that alcohol impairs judgment and physical coordination even at low levels, which makes driving away from said restaurant an inherently dangerous undertaking. AFAIK, vendors of on- and off-sale alcoholic beverages have been successfully sued by the deceased's family for wrongful death caused by a driver impaired by the alcohol the vendor supplied. But this is now WAY off topic (not that it wasn't before...).)

That being said, I do agree that caveat emptor is a useful axiom to live by. I just wish it wasn't necessary to do so. :)

more than 3 years ago
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Sunrun Re:scary for net neutrality (400 comments)

The problem I have is with the artificiality of the price they charge -- it is motivated purely by greed. People think the price they pay for texting services is based on what it costs the carriers to provide the service. But the cost is more closely associated with the operating overhead involved in actually charging their customers for the service, not the service itself, and it's certainly not even 1% of the amount of money they charge. It amounts to price gouging, pure and simple, and it's in the carriers' best interest to hide this fact from consumers. I'm fine with them making a reasonable profit -- emphasis on 'reasonable'. Then again, P. T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute," and Theodore Geisel wrote in The Lorax, "You never can tell what some people will buy." In all honesty, I do have a texting plan on my phone -- $5/mo. for 200, which roughly equates to 2.5/message, but only if I send/recieve 200 messages. The reality is closer to 10/message (50 messages for my $5), and while that's still cheaper than the 20/message à la carte rate, they don't have to charge even that much to make a tidy profit. Again, it's just greed. It may be basic supply/demand economics and the status quo but that doesn't mean it isn't dishonest.

more than 3 years ago
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Sunrun Re:scary for net neutrality (400 comments)

The problem is that it because of the way SMS messages are sent (i.e. along with other data that was "already going that'a'way" (in the packet headers for the nerds) it functionally costs the wireless carriers nothing to provide the service for which they charge money. In other words, it's 100% profit, no matter how much they charge.

more than 3 years ago
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The South Carolina Primary and Voting Machine Fraud

Sunrun Re:He Won! (467 comments)

...or by anyone to create a scandal to be blamed on the voting machine manufacturer (ES&S) (where it squarely belongs)?

more than 4 years ago
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NASA's Space Balloon Smashes Car In Australia

Sunrun Re:Who authorized go on launch? (174 comments)

Seconded and mod up plz. This definitely appeared to be a pre-launch tethering failure.

more than 4 years ago
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Origin of Species To Be Given For Free, With FUD

Sunrun Re:Einstein (48 comments)

Most of us just use the shorter form, "Dammit". ;)

more than 4 years ago
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High-Temp Superconductors To Connect Power Grids

Sunrun All these smart folks.. (332 comments)

..and not one "Menáge á Trois" joke? Odd, especially considering the project name: TresAmigas (loosely translated: three girlfriends). Yay, karma-burn...

about 5 years ago
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California May Reduce Carbon Emissions By Banning Black Cars

Sunrun Re:Good Idea. (685 comments)

I would think they'd be less visible only at night. In the daytime they're actually the most visible.

Try this.. Place two cars of identical make and model, but one in black and the other in silver, next to each other and stand 50-100 feet away. I'm willing to bet you'll think the black one appears bigger than the other one in the daytime and smaller than the other one at night.

more than 5 years ago
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Utah Governor Vetoes Jack Thompson's Game Sales Bill

Sunrun Re:Interesting (36 comments)

...and don't it suck when they work against us?

more than 5 years ago
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How many hours do you REALLY work each day?

Sunrun Wow.. That's quite the Bell Curve (252 comments)

I don't think I've ever seen a /. poll with that clear a representation of a bell curve. I haven't looked exhaustively by any means, but still..

more than 5 years ago
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Wireless Invention Jams Teen Drivers' Cell Calls

Sunrun Re:911, but not Mom? (232 comments)

In fact, preventing them from learning by experience is likely to have the opposite effect of the one intended.

You're absolutely right. I just don't want your learning experience to end in a head-on crash with my car.

Cars are dangerous. Driving your car is probably the most dangerous thing you do every day (unless your a Marine or firefighter) for yourself and others. You really think society should just toss kids the keys and let them learn on their own?

You're absolutely right: cars are dangerous and driving is in fact the most dangerous thing anybody (even a Marine or a firefighter) does every day. And I didn't say "society should just toss kids the keys and let them learn on their own". That would be abdicating my parental responsibilities. I said learning by experience is the best way to learn. This was intended in a broad sense rather than being specifically limited to this logical argument. So I stand corrected on that point.

more than 5 years ago
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Wireless Invention Jams Teen Drivers' Cell Calls

Sunrun Re:911, but not Mom? (232 comments)

How about facing the reality that bad things happen to stupid people doing stupid things, and teach kids to not be stupid? Proactively blocking their every move because they might do something dumb does not turn them into responsible adults.

Amen! In fact, preventing them from learning by experience is likely to have the opposite effect of the one intended.

more than 5 years ago

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