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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

XP is a version of Windows. Android 4.3 is a version of Android. They aren't just roughly analogous, they are exactly analogous.

Listen retard, XP is not a version of windows in the same sense that 4.3 is a version of android. When you patch android version 4.3 you get a new number (e.g. 4.3.1, or 4.4). When you patch windows XP you don't necessarily get a new version of windows (i.e. it's still just called XP)

If you bought your desktop from some store (let's say compUSA) and compUSA figured out a way to lock the CPU of the computer so that only executable code signed by compUSA could be run on this computer, and MS came out with a patch for windows XP but compUSA didn't bother signing the new windows XP version executables, you wouldn't be able to upgrade, but it wouldn't be Microsoft's fault, it would be compUSA's fault.

That is easily the dumbest statement I've seen on this thread.

If you don't understand what is being discussed, then your retarded opinion about what is dumb and what isn't is meaningless.

19 minutes ago
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

I suspect most phones running 4.3 could have been upgraded to 4.4 if the hardware vendors did the work to port the 4.4 release to their phones.

about half an hour ago
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YouTube Ditches Flash For HTML5 Video By Default

TsuruchiBrian Re:Adobe (110 comments)

Who cares about you?

1 hour ago
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

So, people should be smart enough to not buy any phone that works on the Verizon network, any phone sold in an AT&T store as part of a contract, and any phone in a T-Mobile store sold under a purchase plan other than 1-2 models in the US?

Yes

You're basically saying that Android is great as long as you don't buy 99% of the devices on the market.

Yeah sort of like how iphones are great, and 99% of other phones are not.

There are about as many great android phones as iphones, but there are also a bunch of bad android phones.

And even if you guy, eg, a Galaxy Nexus with an unlocked bootloader, the company that sold it to you (Google) only provided support for 1.5 years from the date the device FIRST went on sale.

It was nearly 2 years November 17th 2011 to Octover 31 2013, but yes. And you still have a phone with an unlocked bootloader that can run whatever software you want on it.

MS supports Windows for 10 years after the NEXT version of Windows goes on sale.

Is microsoft going to support windows phones 10 years after they are released? Supporting hardware and supporting software are 2 different things. Microsoft doesn't support very much hardware at all. They pass that duty on to hardware vendors.

That is why 95% of the PCs in businesses are STILL running Windows despite all the talk about the death of the desktop.

There are lots of reasons why microsoft has dominated the PC world. A lot of it has to do with luck.

I don't really have a problem with the death of the desktop, but businesses aren't going to buy into an alternative that isn't supported for a long time.

A lot of businesses use linux because it is better for many tasks. You can pay for support by licensing products through the company selling the product w/ a support package, or you can pay for support by hiring experts to manage products that are otherwise lacking support.

Windows is losing market share, now that more alternatives exist. Their product isn't bad, but it's just not the only game in town anymore.

4 hours ago
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

Sucks for you. Get a new phone. I bought a nexus 4 over 2 years ago, and it runs lollipop. It probably won't run the next major update. I don't expect hardware to be supported forever.

4 hours ago
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

When Obama says "If you like your docotor you can keep your doctor", he's not saying that Obamacare will forcibly prevent your doctor from retiring.

Similarly when I say android upgrades are free, I'm not saying that people without a phone capable of running those upgrades will get such a phone for free in order to keep every aspect of running the latest android completely free.

By this definition of free upgrades, no software upgrades are free unless they provide people with hardware who don't already have it. Linux isn't free to people without computers...

4 hours ago
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

Don't forget to buy a new battery too.

4 hours ago
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

My point was that it would not be microsoft's fault in this scenario, not that this scenario happened often. So maybe in the same way that people are not dumb enough to buy computers from comanies selling computers with windows XP in 2014, they should become smart enough not to buy phones with locked bootloaders (making them dependent on hardware vendors to get android updates).

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

It will probably continue to work perfectly indefinitely as long as you keep buying new batteries for it. So when is it time to upgrade?

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

There are publicly available android images. They are probably not for your phone unless you have a nexus 4 5 or 6, etc.

These images contain some hardware specific code, (that's why there isn't one monolithic android update). It is the job of hardware manufacturers to incorporate what google releases with their own hardware specific code to create an android image for a specific phone.

Google can't make hardware vendors do this. Nor can they make hardware vendors apply patches to 4.3.

My point was that there is a hardware component to every update, even if that update seems like "just software". It is the hardware vendors that must fill that gap. It's easy for apple to do this because they *are* the hardware vendor. It is also easy for Google to do this for the phones they make (the nexus phones), and they do.

My guess is that Google is trying to force vendors to do the work of having to upgrade their phones to a new android version rather than just getting the easy way out and simply applying a patch (which is bad for consumers).

As a software developer I run into this all the time. Our customer wants us to fix a bug in our software, and we tell them it is already fixed in a newer version of our software. But they don't want to upgrade. They just want a patch to their existing software because (they think) it's easier for them. But what they don't realize is that we fixed a bunch of stuff. Rather than issuing 100 patches, it really is just easier to get the latest software.

And in actuality our customer doesn't even want patches. They want us to magically fix the software without making any changes to it. Because changing the software requires them to do more paperwork. So we must continually explain to them that it isn't possible to fix software without changing it.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

in theory it could, but in practice not so much, why? see your second point !

It's not my analogy, so I don't intend on defending it. Rather than saying "that's not the reason your analogy is bad" I should have said "That's not the particular problem with your analogy I was referring to (although that is a different reason your analogy is bad)"

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

As a software engineer whose sick of customers that want me to fix their software problems but not not through software upgrades, I can certainly relate to Google's frustration.

The hardware vendors don't give a shit. They already sold their phone. Is applying a small patch easier than applying a big patch? Yeah probably, but it doesn't matter because both are harder and more expensive than doing nothing.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

That's why I put "laws" in quotes.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

In terms of batteries causing electronic waste, buying a new battery for an old phone is pretty much the same as receiving a battery with a new phone.

That was my point

My point is that good hardware is being thrown away unnecessarily because manufacturers aren't supporting it for its full useful lifetime.

No one is stopping you from putting whatever software you want on a galaxy nexus, unlike phones from other manufacturers.

I still contend that net electronic waste would decreae if people bought a new phone once every five years, rather than once every two years.

This would artificially limit the demand for new phones and slow technology. If we had implemented this policy at the dawn of mobile phone technology, we'd have probably produced less e-waste and our phones would be terrible compared with what we have now.

Battery technology might also improve more rapidly in this scenario.

I don't think having stagnant markets is a great way to boost improve technology.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

So go run CM on your galaxy nexus if you don't want to throw it in a landfill. And if CM isn't good enough, you can write your own software for it. Unlike phones with locked bootloaders, the galaxy nexus is full of endless possibilities.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

You have to compare the costs of recycling the devices and making more energy efficient devices with the cost of using the older devices.

You don't need "laws". All you need to do is charge people the true cost of energy and the true cost of e-waste disposal (e.g. an e-waste tax when the item is purchased), and let the market decide).

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

The bulk of the e-waste is going to be the battery. So manufacturing new batteries for old phones to keep them alive isn't really buying us much.

Furthermore, as far as e-waste goes, phones being relatively small, gives us a very high "bang-for the-buck" in terms of utility:e-waste ratio, compared to desktops, laptops televisions, etc.

The consumer demand for smaller and smaller mobile devices is driving technology of miniaturization, and this technology is benefiting many industries outside of the phone industry.

The faster (and smaller) these devices get, the less e-waste we will produce especially if we are recycling.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

What would reduce electronic waste even more is if google never made the galaxy nexus in the first place. We could just keep using our nexus Ss and nexus ones.

yesterday
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Google Explains Why WebView Vulnerability Will Go Unpatched On Android 4.3

TsuruchiBrian Re:The solution is obvious (538 comments)

As electronics get more efficient, using hardware which requires more energy to make the same computations is not socially responsible. Fixing old cars up is not more socially responsible than buying a new one that is more energy efficient.

yesterday

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