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US Senate Set To Vote On Whether Climate Change Is a Hoax

Xyrus Re:Yep it is a scam (661 comments)

Funny thing is that the summary directly contradicts the title. The democrats are attaching riders to the Keystone XL bill that declare climate change caused by man a fact. This is just as bad, but done by the other side of the aisle.


All we need is for congress to start wearing sponsorship badges like NASCAR and drinking Brawndo. Idiocracy here we come.

4 days ago

US Senate Set To Vote On Whether Climate Change Is a Hoax

Xyrus Re:Yep it is a scam (661 comments)

I like how everyone assumes not only that a supreme being exists, but also that it has a penis.

Of course god has a penis. Read the old testament. Only something with a penis could be deliberately that childish, evil, and destructive and not only expect people to be happy about it, but also people to worship the ground he walks on.

4 days ago

NASA, NOAA: 2014 Was the Warmest Year In the Modern Record

Xyrus Re:call me skeptical (357 comments)

Yeah, the problem with the idea that it's "overnight" is that scientists have been warning about this stuff since before I was in elementary school...

They've been warning about this stuff since before you're grandparents were born. The first predictions of anthropogenic global warming date back to the late 1800's. It's certainly not a "new" concept.

about a week ago

Ted Cruz To Oversee NASA and US Science Programs

Xyrus Re:Is it just me... (496 comments)

Also, explain to this Canadian why NASA is researching climate. Isn't NOAA supposed to be the agency for that?

When I worked at a US Geological Survey office that also archives all the US Govt satellite and aerial imagery, there was a memo that was sent out around 1993 or so. All research projects had to show how they were helping the study of global climate change. If they didn't, they were candidates for having their funding cut. The only exceptions were the ones that were being paid by external agencies or governments. So NASA is researching it for the same reason other agencies are: they have some expertise that can be useful and the funding keeps other projects alive.

What utter crap. NASA receives funding for research because they build, launch, and maintain the satellites used for research. This includes weather, climate, and space research.

about two weeks ago

Ted Cruz To Oversee NASA and US Science Programs

Xyrus Re:What's next? (496 comments)

Charles Manson to head the FDA. News at 11.

about two weeks ago

Michael Mann: Swiftboating Comes To Science

Xyrus Re:On the other hand... (786 comments)

In other words, the models don't work at all, what is the excuse that the rubes will buy so we can keep draining science funds for a few more years?

Where did you learn your thermodynamics and modeling? Fox News?

Almost all the additional energy the Earth is absorbing is going into the oceans. You know, the gigantic heat sink covering 75% of the Earth's surface. Surface temperatures are just a small part in the overall energy balance of the planet.

Models are focused on long term multi-decadal averages. As such, they don't have nearly as much "noise" as reality does. If you ever bothered looking at a calibration run of a model, you'll see it over-predicts at some points and under-predicts at others. However, the long term trend (which is what they're looking at) is up, and matches what the long term observational record is showing.

All models are wrong. Some are useful.

about two weeks ago

2014: Hottest Year On Record

Xyrus Re:noooo (560 comments)

And, at the same time, it was the coldest year in Chicago's recorded history. Who knew?

Well, yes, because "global" warming isn't really global - a global average is kind of meaningless for determining the local effects in any given region.

The problem I have with global climate change "debate" is not that climate is changing, but that there is an assumption that the net effect will be negative.

The net effect will be negative. Until the climate stabilizes and life adjusts to the new system, there will be significant disruptions. Historically, changes as small as plus or minus 2C have had significant repercussions, including extinction events. There's approximately 7 billion people on the planet who have relied on the existing climate norms to survive, the vast majority of which do not have advanced technology. As a species we can adapt, but it won't be without costs.

Furthermore, it is ignorant to claim that some regions will become more habitable. Just because conditions won't be uncomfortable to live in (by human standards) absolutely does not guarantee that the region can actually SUSTAIN human habitation. For example, you may hear the argument that warmer temperatures mean we can farm further north. That's pure nonsense. Our crops are adapted to the regions they're grown in, including the day-night cycles. And while regions may attain temperatures and even rainfall to support crops, it doesn't do any good if your landscape is barren granite and former tundra (e.g. Canadian Shield).

It's not simply about temperature. It's about being able to sustain human habitation. If current growing regions become deserts, you can't simply move it to a new region. If your city's primary water source is from glaciers that suddenly are melting out, your not simply going to pick it up and move it somewhere else.

Can we adapt? Sure. Will it be easy? No. Will it be cheap? No.

I'm disappointed that more studies haven't shown which will prevail (or if there will be a net neutral effect).

There are plenty that you can find with a simple google search. Probably the most comprehensive summary is in the IPCC reports.

Instead we just get fear mongering about famine and war.

Only the media and some fringe enviro-wackos are doing any fear mongering. The science just shows the actions and consequences. That being said, famine and war are logical conclusions in a changing climate. Resource wars are nothing new, and a changing climate with an increasing population is just more fuel for the fire.

Also, I still believe the focus is on the wrong thing: rather than try and stop climate change (after all, if it doesn't change because of CO2, it may change due to something else) we should try and work on technologies so we can survive - no, thrive - regardless of the climate. (Isn't that what humanity has done for most of its existence anyway?)

Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Stop climate change? That idea went out the window quite some time ago. It's all about adaptation and mitigation now. We don't have the technology (nor worldwide political will) to stop climate change at this point, as we would need to stop all carbon emissions as well as sequester a significant portion of the carbon we already added to the atmosphere.

about three weeks ago

What Happens To Society When Robots Replace Workers?

Xyrus Re:Wrong way of thinking. (628 comments)

You're right, because it is impossible for every player in the market to have perfect knowledge. Not only that, but since there is no regulation in a free market there is nothing stopping people from withholding such information in a effort to make more profits for themselves. Once that happens, money starts flowing to those who happen to make decisions about the market and/or big boys who can manipulate the market and crush competitors. Eventually you wind up with a self-destructive cycle where the few who have managed to turn into monopolies and oligopolies destroy the whole market in the attempt to turn it into there own personal money making machine while everyone else gets screwed.

People are greedy assholes. Too much freedom (free markets) or too little freedom (communism) in the market will always result in a corrupted economic system that will end up shitting on 99%+ of the population. Moderation in all things.

about a month ago

At 40, a person is ...

Xyrus Re:Psychologically speaking... (286 comments)

This is why we reincarnate, I think. Because the accumulation of knowledge is super-important and fun, but not knowing and flailing around in a genuine passion is also pretty awesome. -Youthful ignorance is not something you can pretend or recreate. And ignorance isn't the Bliss. Ignorance is like a sheet of bubble wrap. The Bliss is having bubbles to pop, and popping them!

Your first world priviliged blinders are on so tight I think they gave you brain damage. Even today, most of the world's child population isn't living in anything like bliss and are far more concerned with when's the next time they're going to eat as opposed to imagining all the "possibilities".

Historically speaking, it has only been in the last 100 years or so where more than a small fraction of a percent of the populace would call life "fun", regardless of age. For most of human history, almost everyone lived miserable lives in filth and poverty with insanely high mortality rates. You were always one disease, infection, or injury away from death (assuming you even survived childbirth). Life was a continuous daily struggle, and if you made it past thirty you were pretty damn lucky. Youthful ignorance, more often than not, got you killed.

But none of that registers since you live in a nice, safe, first world country where ignorance gets an "awww so cute" vs. "well he's dead, good thing we have 5 more".

Whatever makes you happy, but ignoring the mathematical implausibility of reincarnation, your argument for reincarnation is pretty ridiculous.

about a month ago

Skeptics Would Like Media To Stop Calling Science Deniers 'Skeptics'

Xyrus Re:I deny that San Francisco underwater by 2010 (719 comments)

I suppose I'm a global warming denier, by the common standard here on Slashdot. The global warming alarmists and pitchmen said "San Francisco will be underwater by 2010". Unfortunately, it's still there.

No, you're not a denier. You're just regular old run-of-the-mill stupid. I can't even find a denialist bullshit opinion blog where this lie comes from, let alone any credible source.

That's one of two big problems for the global warming camp.

You're right. Deniers are completely ignorant and just make shit up to validate their ideology. That's a big problem for actual scientists and logical people trying to determine the best course of action to take.

Well-known leaders of that movement have publicly admitted to organized, widespread lying and intentional exaggeration in order to "spur the public to action".

Leaders? The climate science community doesn't have "leaders". In the public space, there are activists but they are not scientists, nor do they do any scientific research. They're talking heads. Some do more fact checking than others, but none of them have credentials to objectively discuss the science, let alone judge it's merits.

I deny that they've been telling the truth, and they agree! Has the "science" gotten any better? Well, we know that a typical volcano releases a couple tons of CO2 each day. A few months ago, there was an "OMG Global Warming!" story here on Slashdot that reported atmospheric CO2 levels rising more than expected - based on measuring CO2 on a friggin a volcano! Which is kind of like reporting global average humidity based on moisture measurements taken below Niagra Falls.

More idiocy. You have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Regardless of the information actually posted on the how measurements are collected and used, you're just going to ignore it because the science is just to damn inconvenient to your personal beliefs.

There IS some good science supporting global warming, but the alarmist stuff makes better headlines, so 90% of the "science" reported is complete junk, obviously so.

The papers and research are directly available, along with the data sets and model code in most cases. News sites are probably the worst way to actually get information about what's happening in science (with the exception of stupidity strewn sites like OverUnity and WUWT).

I reject all claims based on this utter junk pseudo-science.

There is nothing pseudo about the science. The climate research that leads to a global warming result is nearly 200 years old, beginning with Fourier (yes THAT Fourier) back in the early 1800s. Your willful ignorance doesn't make the science go away.

The second problem is more recent. Every president has their slush fund...

Another conspiracy theory argument coming from a denier. Why am I not surprised?

When you actually have some facts and evidence to back up your ludicrous claims, let us know. kthxbye Sincerely, The Climate Illuminati est. 1798

about a month ago

Skeptics Would Like Media To Stop Calling Science Deniers 'Skeptics'

Xyrus Re:As long as we're being more specific.... (719 comments)

Apparently physics and chemistry now have a liberal bias. You heard it here first folks.

And this is supposed to be a site for nerds.

about a month ago

Skeptics Would Like Media To Stop Calling Science Deniers 'Skeptics'

Xyrus Re:Denying Catastrophism, not Science (719 comments)

When you actually look at the science itself, it's pretty clear. And nowhere near what the proponents claim.

For that matter, when you look at the history of AGW catastrophism, you see a lot of, well, denial.

No credible scientists is predicting the end of the world. Nor have the ever done so. Our actions have consequences. The consequences are going to cause problems. That's it.

By the people whose predictions failed miserably. So far we have NOT seen an increase in the number and size of hurricanes.

I guess you don't read, or have really poor comprehension skills. The latest IPCC report indicates that BY THE END OF THIS CENTURY (that is, 2100) that Atlantic hurricanes will decrease in number but increase in strength. Pacific hurricances (typhoons) are expected to increase in number and increase in strength. Seeing as how we are a long ways away from 2100 and these projections were made just few years ago, your claim is completely unsupported.

We have also NOT seen an increase in droughts

Again, the projections are for the END OF THIS CENTURY. Your claim is unsupported.

an increase in tornado numbers or strength

The climatology of tornadoes is not mentioned in any credible research I'm aware of. Mesoscale cyclone generation is far to small to be picked up with any reasonable skill in climate models. Straight from the IPCC report There is insufficient evidence to determine whether trends exist in small scale phenomena such as tornadoes, hail, lighting, and dust storms.

a decrease in winter snow

Actually, snow cover is supposed to increase then decrease by the end of the century. The increase in snow is a result of increased water vapor. The water vapor increase will be felt before the temperatures become warm enough to decrease overall snow cover. But again, the decrease is by 2100.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of events that were predicted as part of CAGW that have not happened (and in many cases, the reverse has come to pass).

Complete bullshit. Climatological projections are for decades into the future. You're not going to see changes in span of a handful of years. Go ahead and try to find a peer reviewed research paper that we are supposed to have any statistically significant deviations on a sub decadal scale. You won't find one.

We still have a fairly icy polar ice cap (the "sciency" prediction from just a few years back was that it would effectively be gone by now).

Bullshit. The modelling consensus in the reviewed literature has a projection that the arctic will have an ice free summer by 2050. Some models have this happening by 2035. But not a single credible reviewed source has ever made any claim that the arctic would have an ice free summer by now.

We're also about 0.1 C below the low-end value of over 95% of predictions for global temperatures (and 0.5 C below the "most probable" number). That in itself invalidates CAGW as a scientific theory.

Bullshit. Your ignoring short term weather impacts on global temperatures as well as ignoring oceanic heat content and simply looking at surface temperature. Again, if you read the section in the IPCC on how the models work and what the projections actually represent.

But of course, you're already ignoring the fact that climatological significance is measured over multi-decadal periods so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Yes, the Earth has warmed. Yes, some of it has been due to CO2 increases by humans. But the amount - and the results - are both badly blown predictions.

Only if your completely ignorant on the topic, which you have shown yourself to be.

That means that the followers of CAGW are, by and large, denying science because it didn't give them the result they wanted.

Why the fuck would anyone want global warming to happen?

about a month ago

Skeptics Would Like Media To Stop Calling Science Deniers 'Skeptics'

Xyrus Re:Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (719 comments)

You're really broadly generalizing though. Denying one controversial subject doesn't mean someone denies all science. Skepticism is a healthy attribute, it indicates critical thinking, and an open mind.

A skeptic may be ignorant, but is willing to learn. A real skeptic, upon gaining knowledge, will be able to more effectively question and argue the subject.

A denier is willfully ignorant and will never learn as a result. They can never effectively question or argue the subject because they are always arguing from a point of ignorance. You also can not convince them no matter how much evidence you have since they automatically dismiss anything that contradicts their ignorant views.

I have no problem with evolution or Darwin whatsoever, believe solar power will be a fantastic resource when it matures, would like to eventually see an end to use of fossil fuels as soon as it becomes economically feasible to do so, am skeptical of religion (IMO religion is conveniently pre-packaged cereal box spirituality /philosophy at best); and think creationism is a fairy tale;

All good and logical, but...

but whereas AGW is concerned, I'm skeptical (but open minded) because of all the politics and hypocrisy that surrounds it. Al Gore and friends drone on and on about the dangers of carbon dioxide and man's apocalyptic effect on the planet, then all go fly their fuel-hog private personal jets to a summit to discuss it.

And just like that, you go from skeptic to denier. Instead of ignoring the talking heads and cheer leaders and going right to the science (thousands of papers, petabytes of research), you latch on to it and then paint the entire scientific community (which has absolutely nothing to do with the politics or Al Gore) with the same brush.

Al Gore is not a climate scientist. Neither is Leonardo DiCaprio. They aren't. They don't have degrees in climate science. They've never published peer reviewed research on the subject.

As for the politics, that's policy makers. That's congress. Again, this has nothing to do with the science community. Congress does not approve papers, and the science community does not approve policy decisions.

The average rank and file climate scientist makes around $70K a year. Most programmer pull down more than that, and they don't need a Ph. D to do it. This "fly all over the place in private jets" bullshit is just that, bullshit. When I was working at NASA, the parking lots weren't full of shiny new Jags and BMWs. They were full of 10 year old Toyotas and Hondas. You don't become a climate scientists to get rich.

No respectable climate science I know of is predicting the end of the world, nor am I aware of any published research (including the IPCC reports) making any claims that global warming will kill of humanity. Again, that is simply more denial bullshit dredged up as an excuse to not listen to the science.

Same is true of Gore's personal practices (i.e. his house), he seems very unconcerned in practice about those things which he champions in print or video. Such a strong proponent is expected to lead by example. The UN says AGW is critical to address, yet China hasn't had to abide by any accords, being probably the worst pollution offender currently on the planet.

"They're not doing it so why do we have to?" This is a really poor excuse, again often used by deniers for some twisted justification for their thinking.

Additionally, all climate and weather forecasts, whether next weekend or 100 years from now, despite the differences, are based on computer models, which are far from infallible.

Another denier argument. All models are far from infallible. They're models; an imperfect representation and they always will be since, at least in this universe, since it is impossible to obtain perfect information about a system. The aerodynamic models for jet aircraft are wrong. The models for bridge and building stability are wrong. Every single one of them are wrong.

However, just because a model is wrong doesn't mean it isn't useful. All models have errors, and by accounting for those errors a model will still yield predictive skill. Error analysis is very important in modeling and is used constantly to establish everything from structural integrity limits to likelihoods of future droughts. It's a fundamental component of numerical analysis.

For these reasons, I'm still skeptical

No, you're a denier. You have not put forward a single objective argument to establish your position. Heresay, politics, and ignorance are NOT valid skeptical arguments. You have not brought up a single salient critique of the SCIENCE.

however, I'm not unable to be swayed, given further evidence that isn't dressed up with carbon taxes and other political aspects;

I find this highly unlikely. You've thrown out approximately 200 years of physics, chemistry, and research because you don't agree with what some activists and politicians are saying and doing. That, my friend, is exactly what deniers do. It doesn't matter if their claims violate the fundamental laws of thermodynamics. It doesn't matter if their claims contradict direct observational data.

Denier: Al Gore has a jet. This renders your argument invalid.

additionally, it sure would help if all the celebrities endorsing the tenant of AGW actually practiced what they preached.

How does this even remotely have anything to do with science research? The fact that your even letting celebrities influence your perception of the science demonstrates that you are NOT a skeptic. At all.

Science is a process, a living, dynamic, self-correcting process. It must never be wielded as dogma.

It isn't, and only deniers think that it is

about a month ago

Skeptics Would Like Media To Stop Calling Science Deniers 'Skeptics'

Xyrus Re:Established science CANNOT BE QUESTIONED! (719 comments)

Which is why we should NEVER ever stop questioning "science". Newtonian Physics is wrong, but close enough to be functional in many circumstances. Science should be about continuous improvement, which requires ongoing skepticism.

Agreed, and this is what happens. Anyone who tries to publish a paper can tell you how much fun it is, even for papers that follow the current thinking in a particular field. I work with a couple scientists that published a paper in regards to climate change, and it took two years of sometimes colorfully worded review comments and re-submissions before it as accepted.

AGW or "climate change" is one of those things I simply do not believe is "settled science", mainly because of the huge number of variables, and the models and advocate predictions have completely been falsified.

And this is where you turn stupid and destroy whatever argument you were trying to make. Global warming as a result of increased greenhouse gases was discovered well over a century ago, and falls out quite readily as a result using some basic high school level chemistry and physics. The equation for determining the atmospheric forcing of CO2 was developed by Svante Arrhenius (a.k.a the father of modern chemistry) back in the 1890's, and it is still used today.

A much more difficult problem (and where the vast majority of research is going) is what will the effects on the climate will be. That requires advanced coupled models across multiple science domains.

Call me a denier all you want. I'm not denying the "Science" part of this (CO2).

Yes you are. You made unsubstantiated claims that all the results from current as well as historical climate research has been nothing but BS. You claim that global warming isn't "settled science" when it is a direct result of fundamental chemistry and physics that have been around for a century or more, the same chemistry and physics that are used in many other applications today. This is the very definition of a science denier.

I am denying the predictive hyperbole from the likes of Al Gore, who keeps making ridiculous claims, while having a huge Carbon Footprint (carbon offsets not withstanding).

AL GORE IS NOT A FUCKING CLIMATE SCIENTIST. Stop using him as a pariah for the climate science community, because he has NOTHING to do with climate science research. He does not publish papers. He does not perform climate research. He has no credentials for doing so, nor does he have any credentials in any related field. He is an activist for a cause he believes in, nothing more.

Using Al Gore as an EXCUSE for your ignorance would be like someone using Michele Bachman's claims as the reason why they don't get their kids vaccinated.

And if you are going to make fun of Fox News, great, but the real person you should make fun of is the stupid chicken littles who have been proven wrong, but continue to spew their idiocy and the climate lapdogs keep licking up.

Again, this is pure denier speak. Fox News has a documented history of misrepresenting science (among other things), especially climate science. The science has not been proven wrong. Not even remotely. That is, at best, willful ignorance on your part.

about a month ago

The Joys and Hype of Hadoop

Xyrus Re:Well No Shi... (55 comments)

This also assumes the data and the domain you're trying to apply Hadoop to are ones that Hadoop can effectively be useful for. A lot of PHBs and such are pretty ignorant when it comes to the problems that Hadoop can be applied to

about a month ago

Congress Passes Bill Allowing Warrantless Forfeiture of Private Communications

Xyrus Re:Offensively arrogant (379 comments)

Does anyone remember a country called the United States of America? I seem to remember something about freedom and liberty and certain inalienable rights.

I wonder what happened to that country.

about a month and a half ago

Is Chernobyl Still Dangerous? Was 60 Minutes Pushing Propaganda?

Xyrus Re:Yes, still dangerous (409 comments)

Alpha rays are not dangerous, as such, because your skin can shield you, yet alpha emitters are very dangerous because if you ingest or breath-in a small particle, there is very high probability that you get cancer later - sometimes many years later - on.

Er...no. A small particle does not give you a high probability of developing cancer. Your probability of developing cancer is based on the amount of radiation your exposed to. The smallest I could find mention of was 1 mSV/yr for 20 years would increase your chance of getting cancer by .1%. This about the same radiation exposure you'd get working in the Rotunda building for 20 years (Uranium decay in the granite).

Then of course, there's the alpha emitters you eat everyday in the form of potassium from bananas, salt substitute, and other potassium based compounds.

There are a number of factors that go into whether or not one will develop cancer from radiation exposure.

about 2 months ago

Stars Traveling Close To Light Speed Could Spread Life Through the Universe

Xyrus Re:Cubic gigaparsec ... (184 comments)

With these kind of huge sizes, I think it's more like a gigabuttload, or as the layman would say, a Kardashian.

The Kardashian is an antiquated measurement. The Minaj is the new international measurement, equivalent to roughly 10 Kardashians.

about 2 months ago

Rooftop Solar Could Reach Price Parity In the US By 2016

Xyrus Re:cost/price per kW hour comparison is nonsense (516 comments)

A solar installation is an investment. The proper analysis is return on investment. Current actual price before credits and rebates for a 4kW rooftop (16 panels, abt 25 m^2), installed, is about $16,000. This includes a substantial profit for the installer -- it should be available for less in a competitive market...

It isn't the cost of the hardware that's preventing wider adoption. It is the completely ridiculous cost of installation which can easily double to triple the price. A number of states won't allow you to install your own panels and then hire an electrician to finish connection to the grid. You have to get a "certified" installer.

As an example, a 5KW system costs around $9000. The estimate I got for installing the system was $23,000, an additional $14,000 for installation. This is literally for a single day of work. In comparison, to get my whole roof replaced took 2 days and ran me about $8000 total.

If I were allowed to install my own panels, it would take me and a buddy about a day to do, and then have a certified electrician come in and finish wiring everything up. Total cost would be beer, pizza, and about $1000 tops for the electrician. But I'm not allowed to do that, so I either get fleeced by a lease or get gouged by the installation companies. No thanks.

The profit margins must be pretty damn sweet though. Easy money.

about 2 months ago

The Students Who Feel They Have the Right To Cheat

Xyrus Re:Ok... just turned two score, but... (438 comments)

Maturity: That point in your life where you look back and realize exactly how completely fucking stupid you were.

about 2 months ago


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Yesterday, I got modded a troll...

Xyrus Xyrus writes  |  more than 8 years ago

In my response to the PA kids who were threatened with felony class 3 charges, I stated a simple truth: The kids broke the law, now they have to deal with the consequences.

Those who modded me troll did so out of ignorance, did it "for the children", believe the punishment does not fit the crime, or believe the school "had it coming" because of crappy security.

Out of all these reasons, only one has even the slightest bit of merit: the punishement does not fit the crime. All the rest are ludicrous.

The first one: Ignorance. This is the the typical knee-jerk slashdot reaction made by those who do not RTFA. Felony charges for messing with school computers? OUTRAGE, how can you support this?

Quite simply because they were using state computers and illegally altering them by bypassing security measures. The fact that they're teenagers is irrelevant. What if this has happened on the schools main servers and the teens were placing porn in teachers directories? What if they started messing with their disciplinary records or grades? What if they were doing this on a bank's system?

In short, where do you draw the line.

A lot of responses claim that the felony charges will ruin the kids lives. Again, this is sheer ignorance. Prosecuting felony charges is expensive, and pressing felony chrages on teens has often been a delicate point. Of course, the sensationalistic media coverage fails to mention this.

In reality, it is extremely unlikely that felony charges will be brought against these teens. In fact, school disciplinary action will probably be all these kids get. Worse case scenario, the teens get convicted of a misdemeanor and have to do some community service.

As far as their records go, their juvenile records are sealed once they hit 18 (or expunged, depending on what the state policy is).

The above addresses the "for the children" crowd as well. In addition to that, I have little sympathy for teens who continue to do things that they know are wrong.

One response I received was that these kids shouldn't be punished for being curious. And if that were the case, then I would agree. But that was not the case.

These kids didn't figure out the admin password and say, "Oh, this should be brought up to the school". They used it and distributed it to deliberately go around the restrictions that they agreed to abide by. It was wrong, they knew it, and continued their activities.

Which brings me to the last, and possibly most idiotic response: "It's the school's fault for having crappy security on the computers".

And I suppose that it's the woman's fault for being raped because she's hot. Or it's the homeowner's fault for getting burgled because he only had a regular lock on the front door. I'd like to see someone use that type of excuse in court.

Just because the security was weak doesn't give these teens the right to circumvent the restrictions. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something.

So now we come to the last response, the one that is arguable: the punishement does not fit the crime. As I stated earlier, it's unlikely these teens will see anything other than school disciplinary action, since no administration data was compromised. The kids did not have access to the school's main server.

Any judge would see that this is at most a minor offense. That is why we have judges. To interpret the law and deal out appropriate punishment when those laws are broken.

Sure, PA state law may make what they did "technically" a felony, but it is the judge who decides whether or not that is the case. In this case, it was the media acting as the judge which is never a good thing (just look at Faux News).

I agree a felony charge does not fit the crime here, but as of right now THERE IS NO PUNISHEMENT DECIDED YET. If a judge does decide to follow through on the felony charges, then we can talk about unjust punishments. Until then it's just a bunch of media driven bruhaha.

In the future I hope when people respond they will stop, read, and think before modding instead of responding with "OMFG you're a troll!".

But then again....this is slashdot.


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