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Tech's Gender Gap Started At Stanford

adri Re:Slashdot is exceeding itself lately... (215 comments)

I was working in the first dot com boom during 1998-2001. Now, I was working in Amsterdam rather than the US, but I did get to feel exactly how screwed up this situation got. And looking back at it, this article does re-iterate a lot of those points quite clearly.

The people that succeeded were for the most part the ones that put in long hours, were ruthless about achieving their goals and cared not about things like "work/life balance", "emotional stability", "health concerns", etc. Whenever I came out to the US to talk shop with other internet infrastructure people, they were working long hours, ignoring what the industry said they could / couldn't do. There were women in tech, but they weren't the programmers - the ones I met tended to be algorithms people, data scientists, etc. They weren't in the meat grinder of bashing out C/perl code.

The article covered the long hours, it covered what happened when things went pear shaped, and it did a pretty good hatchet job on the kind of focus and ruthlessness you needed to get where you wanted to go. It was amazing to watch and now a little scary. Then the dot-com bust happened and people lost everything. Plenty of people I knew said "fuck it" and left the industry. Those that stayed either made their money, or they were just suckers for loving their jobs. They didn't have strong personal relationships with others. They just loved kicking ass and taking names in their work career. That sometimes worked out for them and sometimes didn't.

A lot of the people I knew in the tech field did just leave and look for something more stable. The people that stuck it out were homeless, couch-surfing, living with family/friends, existing wherever they could just to get over the sheer loss of everything. Not everyone is cut out for that level of destitution and dedication - eventually they'll snap and go off to something more stable.

This field is terrible. It chews you over and spits you out. If you're lucky then you make a bunch of money and save a bunch of money. Plenty of people working in tech and living in San Francisco aren't even doing that. We don't necessarily churn out people who are risk takers out of university - heck, churning out creative thinkers just became an "in vogue" thing again with this whole maker faire mentality that's happening nowdays. But when the thing crashes again, you'll see the same cycle - those who are willing to risk it all and live hand-to-mouth from wherever they can will do it. Others will go find whatever is safe and stable and start life again from there.

Now, is that gender biased? Maybe. Someone has to go do a little more research to figure that out. But from what I saw, there were a handful of women that stuck through that and came out ahead. Most that I knew just gave it in and went back to school, moved in with parents, or decided to stop work and have babies. The guys seemed more happy to take the risk again and again and live hand-to-mouth.

There's lots to fix. We have to stop being insensitive asshats. part of that is institutional - the brogrammer culture is strong here. Part of that comes out of all of the stupid stress and anxiety that litters this community. It's hard to pay attention to how you live, how you interact, how you make others feel, how to communicate well and well, how not to be an asshole if you're always stressed out, anxious and sleep deprived. add in a bit of being shouted at and some threats about your job security and .. well, you just stop giving any fucks. Part of it is no constant exposure to dealing with other people and a focus on your ability to churn out code - your job doesn't tend to want you spending time each day to improve yourself in all ways - it needs to be work relevant, and hey you have that deadline that just appeared? Eww. It's good to see people standing up and calling out bad behvaiour. it's good to see that some communities are sprouting up and eschewing shitty behaviour. But I'd really like to see the stress, anxiety and hours drop as well as a focus on people interaction. My 20 year old self gave no interest to any of these things. My 35 year old self .. suddenly realises that it's pretty fucking important.

2 days ago
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Ask Slashdot: Workaday Software For BSD On the Desktop?

adri Re:Just went through this a few days ago (267 comments)

(I really should write the damned 7260 driver. Ugh.)

I didn't realise our cp didn't support sparse files. Would you mind filing a FreeBSD bug about it? We use Bugzilla now, it's not AS bad as GNATS.

Thanks!

-a

about a month ago
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Ask Slashdot: Workaday Software For BSD On the Desktop?

adri Re:Dive Into FreeBSD (267 comments)

Yeah, I can explain that.

The current setup replaces the repo each time - and if a package fails to build, all the dependent packages can go away.

I've had chrome disappear from my freebsd-head install (which i manage with pkg from the test repositories, so as to dogfood our own stuff) and it's generally been because it's been marked as having a security problem and the port wasn't built.

about a month ago
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Ask Slashdot: Workaday Software For BSD On the Desktop?

adri Re:Gentoo is the BSD of the Linux World (267 comments)

Hi, adrian@freebsd.org here. If you've had issues with suspend/resume and poor battery life then please drop us/me a line. That's something a group of us are slowly fixing.

-adrian

about a month ago
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OpenBSD 5.6 Released

adri Re:Thank you! (125 comments)

No, the problem is that we don't have as many active wifi developers as other projects, but the desire/need is still there.

I now have a couple of people helping me chase down intel driver bugs and implement / port the 7260 driver from Linux/OpenBSD.

-adrian, typing this on a freebsd laptop with a centrino wifi adaptor working just fine.

about 2 months ago
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OpenBSD 5.6 Released

adri Re:Thank you! (125 comments)

Hi,

I'm the wifi guy. Your post is misinformed. FreeBSD developers use their OS on non-server hardware. Everything you said above works. Even the wifi.

https://twitter.com/encthenet/...

You're very welcome!

-adrian

about 2 months ago
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Ask Slashdot: Smarter Disk Space Monitoring In the Age of Cheap Storage?

adri Re:Performance issues? (170 comments)

Not entirely - it's an easier problem to solve when you're parking a car that takes up a single spot. Now, imagine you have a trailer count that is between 0 and 1024 parking spots wide, and breaking your trailer up into pieces (and then reassembling it!) is feasible but it takes time to do that.

That's why it's not that simple.

about 2 months ago
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The IPv4 Internet Hiccups

adri Re:SDN (248 comments)

There was and likely is some hardware that does it.

It's also easily DoSed.

We found this out in the 90s and early 2000's where people would .. well, try doing internet routing with Sup-1's.

about 4 months ago
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The IPv4 Internet Hiccups

adri Re:Betteridge (248 comments)

Except people can, have and will deaggregate IPv6 space to do Traffic Engineering.

about 4 months ago
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Silicon Valley Doesn't Have an Attitude Problem, OK?

adri Re:It's not arrogance if... (262 comments)

Profit or no profit, if he wanted to continue living in New York but needed to move, he can't move sideways. Not even slightly down. He'd be moving a _lot_ down.

It's a house. It's not necessarily being rented out. It's a place he can actually live. Profit shouldn't be the overriding thing here. The OP seemed to indicate he was living there, not renting it out. Where's he going to move to and find work?

about 4 months ago
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Silicon Valley Doesn't Have an Attitude Problem, OK?

adri Re:It's not arrogance if... (262 comments)

Hi!

I don't think you understand what he said entirely.

He said that he can't actually sell his place without incurring a very large tax penalty that would come out of his pocket and affect his ability to buy another property. In short, he's stuck at the level he is without being able to move up or sideways. He's being forced to move /down/ in the property market. He didn't mention how much he earned and it's mostly irrelevant here - the money he'd lose in the gains tax would result in nowhere near enough money to buy another place in that area.

So yes, it's a shitty situation - it's /making/ property speculation and renting the fiscally responsible thing to do. That's just plain stupid.

about 4 months ago
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Facebook Seeks Devs To Make Linux Network Stack As Good As FreeBSD's

adri Re:FreeBSD network stack (195 comments)

I don't work at a CDN company. :-)

I work at norse-corp.com. RSS is a non-paid thing I do at home.

about 5 months ago
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Qualcomm Takes Down 100+ GitHub Repositories With DMCA Notice

adri Re:Trolling (349 comments)

It's pretty funny indeed. Except when it's not.

I'm the guy that got that through the internal Qualcomm open source review process .. and now they've done this. Grr.

about 6 months ago
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Qualcomm Takes Down 100+ GitHub Repositories With DMCA Notice

adri Re:Counter-notice! (349 comments)

I am. I'm just fine-tuning it at the moment.

(github.com/qca/qca_open_hal_public)

*sigh* and I wanted to enjoy my weekend..

-a

about 6 months ago
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Lumina: PC-BSD's Own Desktop Environment

adri Re:Why? (148 comments)

You realise that when Linux came about, there had already been more than twenty UNIX derivatives, right?

about 8 months ago
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Android Beats iOS As the Top Tablet OS

adri Re:ANDROID != LINUX (487 comments)

.. except that a large part of the kernel networking stuff (among other things) are also FreeBSD derived.

about 10 months ago
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Broadcom Releases Source For Graphics Stack; Raspberry Pi Sets Bounty For Port

adri Re:is the USB 'bug' fixed, at this point? (77 comments)

Hi,

Can you please email me? (adrian@freebsd.org) - we have a vested interest in getting the r-pi USB bugs ironed out on FreeBSD and would likely really benefit from the work you've done.

Thanks!

-adrian

about 10 months ago

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My journal

adri adri writes  |  more than 11 years ago

I don't really see the point in keeping Yet Another Online Journal - I already have a rants page and you can find it here.

Personally I don't have a burning desire to tell randoms about my daily life. I'd rather point out the little(big?) things that grab me as I meander onwards..

Today marks the day of my first accepted slashdot story. Cheer.

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