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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

aristotle-dude The "US is not a democracy" guys are half right. (803 comments)

But they are not right for the reasons they state. If you were to compare the US government against even Canada with it's appointed senate, it is easier to topple a Canadian federal government by the will of the people outside of the normal election cycle without any violence.

How is this possible? First for all Canada's head of the government is the Prime minister which is the leader of the party with the most seats in the legislature instead of being a separate elected "president". What this means is that a government can be toppled early if they have the most seats but no majority in the house and the other parties decide to gang up and vote down the budget or some other "confidence" motion. This will trigger an early election.

Citizens in a riding (district for you americans) can also organize a recall referendum to force a "by-election" in that one riding/district where the sitting member has to contest for his/her seat in a special election. If the ruling party were to be forced to fight too many by-elections and lost too many seats to the opposition parties, a general election could be triggered early by a non-confidence vote.

Unfortunately, since the leader of the cabinet and the leaders in the house are separate people in the US system and because losing the majority in a house does not trigger an election, the people really have no way to topple a government they disagree with without a violent uprising.

You cannot force a reset of the house or senate through a lost vote on the budget in the US whereas in countries like Canada, if the government loses a key vote, it is considered as having lost the confidence of the people and a new election has to be called.

2 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

aristotle-dude Re:Since when (803 comments)

Ding Ding Ding! Pure Democracy leads to a Tyranny of the Masses... left unrestricted you end up with chaos. A Constitutional Republic (as our founders intended) puts up some fences to Democracy that work to ensure individual liberty above the collective mass idocy.

Ding, ding goes the bell but there is a dim bulb above your head. You already have the Tyranny of the masses in the US in the form of direct votes on levies and other binding referendums. I am not talking about direct democracy but rather parliamentary democracy. The US House of representatives might not be called a parliament and you might have a separate executive branch that is elected but you still share many concepts and procedures from the westminster model of parliaments including a speaker of the house, rules for presenting a bill, rules for debate, committees and a throne speech but in your case, it is called the State of the Union address.

I hate to break it to you but your country is not as special as you make it out to be.

2 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

aristotle-dude Re:Since when (803 comments)

Oh crying out loud, not this shit again? No wonder your country is so messed up. You are confusing structure with whether your representatives are elected democratically or not.

You are confusing Democracy with Representation, illustrated by you not seeing that 'partial democracy' is a contradiction in terms. Democracy isn't voting for things or electing leaders. Democracy is implementing policies reflective of the population's requirements. Representation and voting for representatives are just pragmatic routines. I would argue that in a real democracy you vote for policies and the people in office should be instantly recalled when they deviate from agreed policy. Representatives should be interchangeable, and 'leaders' shouldn't even exist in a democratic government. Electing leaders is not democracy

You have a funny set of definitions there pal. Sorry but your country is already messed up enough as it is with your idea of direct democracy. Voting for or against a levy to fund a school is idiotic. A working democracy requires one to vote in a representative. The same process occurs in both parliamentary democracies and your country. I hate to break it to you but your country is not special in that regard.

Electing leaders is democracy if you are given distinct choices in candidates with differing philosophies. There are republics around the world that have elections where you only have the choice of one candidate per seat and they are all from the same ruling party. Are you suggesting that the US is a one party system?

2 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

aristotle-dude Re:Structure vs Outcome (803 comments)

The US structurally still remains a republic (not a democracy).

However - when people are too ignorant to cast an educated vote, the result can mirror one found with a structural oligarchy - but to imply then that the US is somehow thus structurally transformed to an oligarchy is wrong headed.

A consequence of truly free society is that you are free to give up your freedom to someone else - either explicitly or through complacency.

You can't fix stupid.

You are right you cannot fix stupid. Republic is the structure stupid. Democracy is the method of how representatives are chosen. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

Look at that list. It shows various types of republics with differing levels or democracy or the complete lack there of.

3 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

aristotle-dude Re:Since when (803 comments)

The US of A has NEVER been a Democracy, Our founding fathers knew that a Democracy was not the way to do proper government and framed what we are today called a Constitutional Republic. What we have now is a twisted mess of a government that is controlled by the money not the people that it was intended to be controlled by.

Oh crying out loud, not this shit again? No wonder your country is so messed up. You are confusing structure with whether your representatives are elected democratically or not. China is a constitutional Republic as are a bunch of other republics around the world. You are confusing the structure of a government with how it is elected. There are various types of forms of government such as Republics, Parliamentary Systems and Parliamentary Republics. Some are partially democratic, completely democratic or undemocratic.

See:
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Republics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

Finland is an example of a Parliamentary republic because it has an elected President as head of state and a unicameral parliament with a Prime Minister. Canada is an example of a Federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy where the Queen is the head of state and the Prime Minister is the leader of the winning party of parliamentary elections.

3 days ago
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Study Finds US Is an Oligarchy, Not a Democracy

aristotle-dude Re:Duh (803 comments)

So basically what I've been saying for a few years now. Welcome to Russia Americans. Have fun with that. That leaves Canada and Australia as the last bastions of freedom in the world.

I wish that were true. In some ways it is but not in other ways. I cannot really talk about that though. Sorry.

3 days ago
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Mozilla Appoints Former Marketing Head Interim CEO

aristotle-dude Re:Fantastic Google Chrome marketing (202 comments)

I and 5 others deleted Mozilla and moved to Chrome. It felt weird after all these years to not have Firefox but we voted with our feet. It's not even a gay thing, it's a "we are sick of bullies and hypocrites" thing.

But what about the LGBT employees there? The CEO was just one of the employees (and now he's gone) so the only people you're hurting are the other Mozilla employees, why are you so against them?

Their sexual orientation is relevant how? It justifies their intolerance how?

4 days ago
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Russia Wants To Establish a Permanent Moon Base

aristotle-dude Re:Russia (312 comments)

We can say anything about their government, but we can't say that they are not really ambitious.

Bullying a smaller neighbor into handing over their territory isn't exactly ambitious by historical standards, par-for-the-course more like.

Do you mean like Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas?

5 days ago
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Commenters To Dropbox CEO: Houston, We Have a Problem

aristotle-dude Re:New McCarthyism (447 comments)

Because, of course, the alleged Conservatives never ever raise a voice in ire about somebody being liberal, or donating to liberal causes, of being a card-carrying member of the ACLU.

Sorry dude, but your own bed is a mess.

I dare you to watch this video and then come back here and explain yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Would you care to explain why this person's personal taxes, tweets and Facebook posts were the business of the IRS when they applied for non-profit status of a government watchdog group? Would you care to explain why their business was suddenly audited on numerous occasions after filing for that status for a separate entity they were founding? Would you care to explain why OSHA showed up and fined her company 20k despite a finding of nothing wrong after filing for non-profit status of a separate entity? Would you care to explain why the FBI had her and members of her non-profit organization investigated for possible terrorist activity?

No wrong doing was found and no motive for going after her was offered by the government and yet they still randomly fined here business 20k and continually harassed her and her family.

about a week ago
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Study Rules Out Global Warming Being a Natural Fluctuation With 99% Certainty

aristotle-dude Going back only 500 years? (856 comments)

How convenient that only went back 500 years and only used historical observations when evidence suggests that the climate was actually hotter during Roman times and the middle ages than it is now.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

about a week ago
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Commenters To Dropbox CEO: Houston, We Have a Problem

aristotle-dude Will you now believe that fascism is left-wing? (447 comments)

How many examples will be required before you believe that fascism has always been a left or centre-left wing ideology? The control of the means of production the tendency for social/political control usually go hand in hand. The National Socialist Worker Party started out as a far left organization and moved to centre-left only to garner support from some industrialists. The same thing happened with the leftist Labour party under Tony Blair. They moved to the centre to make themselves electable enough to garner a majority government. Under his regime, the surveillance state apparatus was increased significantly and my CCTV cameras were installed throughout the UK. The left has NEVER been concerned about protecting individual civil rights. They have only ever been concerned with collective rights of groups and what they like to call "protected classes" within society.

The radicals on the left are continuing their efforts to silence all free speech political action of the opposition. They have no interest in individual freedoms but only their agenda. If you are not with them, they will scream at you and call you a bigot, a homophobe or whatever false accusations they can to silence you. They speak of "tolerance" but what they really want is your silence and they have no tolerance of their own for differing view points.

They went after Eich for a simple 1000 dollar political donation and now they are trying to oust Condoleezza Rice? Why aren't these people trying to attack her not being called racists and misogynists and bigots? Are black people only protected if they are Democrats?

Enough is enough. The people who say that they stand for freedom must stand up for freedom regardless of which party you have voted for in the past. It is your duty to stand up against the bullies. It is your duty to stand up against the fascists.

Here is an important video about how the IRS and various other organizations including OSHA and the FBI are being used to harass americans over their political beliefs. This woman was interrogated by the IRS over her twitter posts and Facebook activity? What kind of fascism is that? How is that relevant to the IRS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

about a week ago
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Why Are We Made of Matter?

aristotle-dude Re:Ah, antimatter (393 comments)

God hid it.

God is made of it.

Okay, that's the god excuses out of the way... now on with the physics!

Which is more scientific because ... look, strings! I mean, alternate universes! I mean ... squirrel!

Just because you're personally too stupid to understand the proposed explanation doesn't make it a matter of Faith.

Right, you go ahead and continue "believing" the shape of the universe of the week story and that abiogenesis happened from a bunch of random proteins riding on a bunch of rock crystals being pushed around by water currents which somehow became complex DNA and then some something happened and we ended up with with a cell with nuclear DNA surrounded by a cell membrane and those cells somehow survived without a mitochondria to regulate cell metabolism and by some random events those cells swallowed a bacteria and this did not kill the cell and it somehow was turned into a mitochondria which would in turn split with the nuclear DNA to form new cells. Yup, all of those random events just happened somehow over millions of years if you believe their story. Their story is full of "something something" all over the place.

about two weeks ago
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Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

aristotle-dude Re:My take as a 9 year LGBT Mozilla contributor (1746 comments)

Apparently you don't understand the difference between legality and moral legitimacy. Once could say that main players in the meltdown of the mortgage market got away virtually scot-free and yet many of us would say that they lost moral legitimacy in our eyes.

You say FUCK the inventor of Javascript and you have the nerve to talk about hate? You are the hater.

Alan Turing did not invent computers but he did make considerable contributions to the development of computers. I have no problem with individual gay people. I have a problem with hateful people like you regardless of your sexuality. Simply disagreeing with you does not equate to hating you. Your happiness is in your hands. All that it requires is for you to chose to be happy. Stop blaming others for your misery.

about two weeks ago
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Illustrating the Socioeconomic Divide With iOS and Android

aristotle-dude Re:Screenshots are built into Android (161 comments)

There's no "app" for screenshots because it's built into Android itself, and has been since 4.0 (which was released many years ago). It's volume down + power button. Just Google for "Android screenshot".

And? You have been able to do a screenshot on the iPhone/iPod Touch since version 1.0 using the power button + home button.

about two weeks ago
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OKCupid Warns Off Mozilla Firefox Users Over Gay Rights

aristotle-dude Re:Wait... wha? (1482 comments)

Again, you're spewing forth nonsense. No one is being prohibited from being part of a religion, or worshiping anything. You claimed that "activist atheists" are trying to infringe upon religious rights, but nowhere here is that happening. Separation of church and state also includes not having religious nonsense dictate what people can and can't do, or what definitions the government uses. Full stop. Anything else is a fiction created by retards. My point is... none of that garbage has a place in government, and if people are trying to force it down other people's throats by using the government, then I'm going to call them out on their bullshit.

Again you are spewing forth nonsense. Show me where it is written in the first amendment where it states that individuals cannot pray in schools or pray at work or pray anywhere however they choose whether that be silent or allowed? Where is in written that people are not allowed to assemble to worship? Where are these restrictions that you would impose on others written into the first amendment.

The first amendment only places a restriction on the government and not on citizens. Rather, it prohibits the government from restricting freedom of religion. Nowhere is the freedom from religion enshrined. You are free to NOT express your freedom of religion but not to prevent others from expressing their right.

about two weeks ago
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OKCupid Warns Off Mozilla Firefox Users Over Gay Rights

aristotle-dude Re:Are people not allowed to have opinions? (1482 comments)

I would prefer if it weren't possible for one non-politician to have more influence on government than another, but I am openly pro-tolerance and anti-oppression, and I do agree with what Tim Cook is doing. Nothing hypocritical about it.

Sorry but you are being hypocritical. Tim Cook should use his own money and time to promote whatever he wishes as a private citizen. That is a different story than using a company to promote a social aim without the consent of the owners of the company.

about two weeks ago
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OKCupid Warns Off Mozilla Firefox Users Over Gay Rights

aristotle-dude Re:Are people not allowed to have opinions? (1482 comments)

You are equal under the law as a human male or female. Your sexuality is irrelevant. Obviously we will never agree on this. I do not consider marriage a right. I consider it a contract where you give up individual rights in exchange for certain privileges and it carries with it specific responsibilities towards the other spouse.

I seem marriage is the glue that holds society together. It is not an amusement ride for crying out loud. It was defined by gender/sex and not sexual preference. It is not like you are denied the right to associate with who you wish or any other individual right. Is it a violation of rights that men cannot give birth to babies? No, it is just not in their nature. In the same way, your gender defines who you can marry. Sorry but that is reality.

about two weeks ago
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Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

aristotle-dude Re:some Mozilla employees are intolerant of CEO (1746 comments)

A "sincere opinion" is when somebody says "I prefer strawberry over vanilla pudding".

"I think some humans shouldn't have the same rights I have" isn't a sincere opinion, it's a failure of morals and ethical behavior.

Pot kettle black. You think that you have a right to express your opinion but anyone who thinks differently is not expressing their opinion? Is that what you are saying? You might want to google "which nazi was gay". It might shock you. There is no evidence that Adolf Hitler ever had a relationship with a woman.

about two weeks ago

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Apple offered cross licensing deal to Samsung prior to trial in return for FRAND

aristotle-dude aristotle-dude writes  |  about a year and a half ago

aristotle-dude (626586) writes "Apple offered a deal to Samsung but it was rejected. Samsung is asking for 2.4% of the average selling price of each iPhone for each patent whereas Apple was offering to cross licence the LTE patents they acquired from Nortel in exchange for similar rates from Samsung. Isn't 2.4% of the average sale price excessive considering that the majority of the iPhone is really an iPod Touch but with a cellular radio speakers and microphones? Why should Apple have to pay percentages of their entire device?"
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