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apostatebob: so, what'd you come in here for?
apostatebob: what religion are you?
apostatebob: ahh, the three-fold theory eh
apostatebob: hey, have a question for you- what is your explanation of the wiccan rede and it's relationship to farming animals?
apostatebob: I'm an apostate
pikachu_likes_69s: wots that-sounds rude-lol-sorry
apostatebob: apostate? or my question?
pikachu_likes_69s: yeh apostate
apostatebob: One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause
apostatebob: hehe, I get that a lot
pikachu_likes_69s: atheist then? (kinda)
apostatebob: yeah, kind of- but I don't accept the axiom that "the idea of a supreme being is wrong"
pikachu_likes_69s: just been in a pentecostal chatroom-funny!!!
apostatebob: did they speak in tongues for you?
pikachu_likes_69s: although i shouldnt mock other peoples beliefs-the things they were sayin!
apostatebob: fuck that, this is why we're in this channel- we can do all the mocking we want, and nobody will take it seriously (or shouldn't)
apostatebob: I try to keep it to a philosophical debate though
pikachu_likes_69s: cool-but the rede tells us to respect pther people and their beliefs
pikachu_likes_69s: tells me
apostatebob: yeah I know, doesn't tell me that though
pikachu_likes_69s: thats y i corrected myself
pikachu_likes_69s: im not christian or anythin-thats not the way i work-lol-whoops
apostatebob: yeah I know
apostatebob: so, can you answer my question- all of my answers have been unacceptable
pikachu_likes_69s: yeh-wot was the q?
apostatebob: apostatebob: hey, have a question for you- what is your explanation of the wiccan rede and it's relationship to farming animals?
pikachu_likes_69s: i believe over cultivation is wrong-im not really in a position to defend the rede-im only a neophyte
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pikachu_likes_69s: but everything in life has a purpose
pikachu_likes_69s: and they were born to be food-its a ll a cycle in the end anyway
apostatebob: most of your religion is composed of farmers in scottland and europe in general- who did this....
apostatebob: that's what I've always been told... but where do you draw the line?
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pikachu_likes_69s: different people have different views and different interpretations
pikachu_likes_69s: the line drawn isnt a straight one
apostatebob: so would cannibalism be condemned by your religion?
pikachu_likes_69s: in some factions its not no
apostatebob: then your religion isn't exactly universal
pikachu_likes_69s: no-because people arent universal
apostatebob: so what you consider to be "wrong" isn't "wrong" in another circle of the same religion?
pikachu_likes_69s: yeh-basically the main idea is "do what you want and harm none"
pikachu_likes_69s: so i dont believe in cannialism
pikachu_likes_69s: or anything like that
apostatebob: so if you murder someone, it comes back to you three fold- yet if someone else murders someone it may pay them positively three-fold?
pikachu_likes_69s: so because they have done harm-harm will be done to them
apostatebob: but they don't consider it "wrong"
pikachu_likes_69s: you'll have to ask them lol
pikachu_likes_69s: all i no is i wasnt born to eat human meat
apostatebob: hehe- but I'm not talking about their beliefs, you say that in some circles it may not be considered wrong, or bad...
pikachu_likes_69s: some circles do not believe in the 3fold laws
pikachu_likes_69s: and they tend to be towards the dark end of magick and ritual
pikachu_likes_69s: because of that
apostatebob: so would you believe that it would come back to them three fold anyways? or do you respect their belief that it won't
pikachu_likes_69s: i respect that they believe wot they believe but i think it will come back to them
apostatebob: in this life or the next?
pikachu_likes_69s: i believe that souls dont live tho they exist because anything that lives has to die and souls dont die
pikachu_likes_69s: so the question of this life or next doesnt bother me at all
apostatebob: so it will happen to your soul- not your human form
apostatebob: does your soul have any effect on what your physical being does? if you have a inherently good soul, will you do good?
pikachu_likes_69s: yes-our bodies are only shells for our souls to act through
pikachu_likes_69s: am i making any sense to you?
apostatebob: so then someone that does good their entire life, from the beginning- would have an inherently good soul
pikachu_likes_69s: yes-but there is no such thing as pure good and pure bad
pikachu_likes_69s: no white or black because nature isnt that way
apostatebob: so you're saying that someone that has a "very good" soul- can all of a sudden turn evil without any real decisions to do so, or a "will" if you will?
pikachu_likes_69s: we have free will-if that person wanted to do bad they could
apostatebob: but what if they didn't, what if they just did bad- for reasons other than the will to do so
pikachu_likes_69s: sorry-rephrase that...
pikachu_likes_69s: u mean they were forced to do bad?
pikachu_likes_69s: *if they were
apostatebob: okay- say I don't will to do bad, but I do bad anyways... not forced- okay you want an example?
pikachu_likes_69s: yeh sure
apostatebob: say I get into an automobile accident and it results in massive brain hemoraging- after this point I am clinically insane... I have no perception of right, wrong.. reality, unreality
apostatebob: and I go around and kill hundreds of people- why does my soul not influence my actions once free-will is removed from the equation
pikachu_likes_69s: sorry-wait amo-tryin to do sumin else at same time
pikachu_likes_69s: as i said-our bodies are only shells
pikachu_likes_69s: or souls see out through our bodies eyes
apostatebob: so, the souls don't actually effect what we do...
pikachu_likes_69s: no-but if we are seeing things through effected eyes then we have different pereptions of right and wrong
apostatebob: so, then would the person's actions effect the soul good or bad? say that the persons sees what they are doing as right-
pikachu_likes_69s: our souls arent accountable to flaws in a bodies mind and action-just like insane people in cournt cant be tried lke normal people
apostatebob: so, someone who has convinced themselves (their bodies) that muder is right, will not be effected?
pikachu_likes_69s: a soul knows for itself ultimately what is right and wrong
pikachu_likes_69s: cant convince itself otherwise
apostatebob: so, then it would come back to the soul negatively... even though the person did think that it was right?
pikachu_likes_69s: ur good at this lol
apostatebob: you see, there are inherent flaws and contradictions in your belief system
apostatebob: of course now is when you tell me "it's true to you"