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Wikipedia's "Complicated" Relationship With Net Neutrality

devent What makes Wikipedia and co. so special? (81 comments)

If you want to spread internet access to developing countries, how about making internet for free for poor people?
Instead Wiki, Google and Facebook went on the narcistic train and think that those services are more important then any other service.
I personally agree that Wikipedia should be free to access to everyone, but I can recognize that other people might disagree and other people think other services are more important. How about somebody in China makes a competing Wikipedia, or have Wikipedia now the monopoly on online knowledge.

but it is nonetheless exactly what governments that have mandated net neutrality need to do."

Yeah, ensuring the same playing field for all, that what governments *should* do. How about Wiki petition the Chile government to make a free internet for all, and for all services?

5 hours ago
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GTK+ Developers Call For Help To Finish Cross-Platform OpenGL Support

devent Re:help them (89 comments)

I have a very positive opinion of Metal L&F, I use VisualParadigm and FreeMind, both are Java applications. I don't think that the L&F matters as much as people always say. The performance of Java apps is on par with C/C++ and Maven is a huge win, because I can use just any lib that I want and the dependencies are automatically resolved. Much like the package manager on Linux. And that I don't have to compile anything is also a huge win, it's was always a pain to compile C/C++ applications.

Any OpenGL lib will be platform dependent, so I don't think your point is valid.

"I do have concerns that the mess of dependencies that maven drags down is not independently rebuildable, and that's not even getting into the security concerns."

I don't understand what your concern here is. Maven is like the package manager from Linux, and the whole point of maven is to be independently rebuildable.

about two weeks ago
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GTK+ Developers Call For Help To Finish Cross-Platform OpenGL Support

devent Re:help them (89 comments)

How abou Swing/Java or JavaFx?
IMHO it beats all the C/C++ stuff, is cross-platform and have a bunch of open and commercial widget libraries. And, with Eclipse or Netbeans, and maven you have much better developing tools that are free, and you don't have to compile anything.
With jogl or JMoneyEngline you can access OpenGL if you need.

about two weeks ago
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Multi-Process Comes To Firefox Nightly, 64-bit Firefox For Windows 'Soon'

devent Re:Waterfox (181 comments)

What did you do to exceed 4 GB of memory with Firefox?

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

You complained that after upgrading your systems replaced sysvinit with systemd. If it's only on a testing network, who cares. Also, shame on you for not reading the news regarding Jessie. Like it's not all open and announced that systemd will be the new default init system.

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

The refusal of both camps to achieve a workable compromise is a problem of mutually incompatible visions

That is why there is systemd-shim

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

If I understand you correctly, you upgraded from Debian Wheezy to Jessie (which isn't even released yet) on a server and wondered why a bunch of stuff have changed? Or are you running unstable or testing on a server? So, your point is that you are a noob that shouldn't administer servers.

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

Ok.

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

Only one side pushes ideological arguments like "systemd is not the UNIX way" or "systemd is pushed by Pottering on users" or idiotic arguments like "PID 1 should not be complicated like systemd"

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

You missed the point completely. The point is that people complaining that Debian changed the default init system and that there is currently a GR to make it mandatory for upstream developers to make sure their packages run at least systemd plus something else. Which means that the upstream devs have to work to support something they don't have any interest in doing so. At that only because some complain that they should be able to replace systemd for whatever reason. That is akin to demanding that upstream devs must make sure that their packages compile with gcc + something else, or that their software must run with Linux+ something else, because some want to replace the Linux kernel.

I did not wrote that some people replaced sysvinit, or patched it or whatever. The current issue is the GR and the decision of the TC.

See for example
https://lists.debian.org/debia...

Yet nobody has proposed a
GR forcing support for kFreeBSD or the Hurd; the people working on them
have simply *done the work*, and in some cases successfully convinced
others to do the same.

(And analogously, non-Linux kernels such as FreeBSD often have
substantial shim layers providing Linux APIs for the purposes of porting
software.)

about two weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:I will be changing to FreeBSD too (450 comments)

I'm interested in Linux, and the other topics don't interest me so much.
And I was reading the emails on debian-voting about the TC, and the GR proposed by Ian.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:I will be changing to FreeBSD too (450 comments)

Whatever. I use what works, is simple and well documented. That is my only idée fixe, if you want to call it that.
This "not UNIX", "written my Lennart", "is pushed on users" is not coming from me.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

Well, many people disagree with you. That's life.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Gnome3, systemd etc. (450 comments)

systemd is open source and free. If you are so concerned then you can just convert all your logs to text.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:I will be changing to FreeBSD too (450 comments)

So, your issue is that systemd does not support a feature you relied on. That is a valid complain, but hardly limited to systemd. Even the Linux kernel throws out old drivers and changes the kernel APIs from time to time, and userland applications change their features much more frequently.

The original topic was "updated to jessie and installed systemd by default, had to roll back VM and pin systemd. Fuck Debian."
If ruir had a substantial argument like you have, I wouldn't have replied at all, but modded +1 informative.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Yep (450 comments)

I think this whole thing would be a non-issue if you could swap out systemd with another system and still have everything function easily.

There was no complains with sysvinit in the same regard. People just used sysvinit because it was the default one and nobody complained "but I want to replace sysvinit with xxxx and still have everything function easily".

Now the default one is systemd, who cares. And if developers of upstream projects like Gnome find systemd so helpful that they use systemd's features and thus Gnome can't be used anymore with some inferior system, well, that is called progress. The replacement systems must then keep up and offer similar features.

Linux should go always with the technically superior, and always went with that in the past. That is the main reasons I like open source and Linux, there is no politics but only the technically superior wins. Linus build a monolithic kernel because it is technically superior, Xfree was replaced with Xorg, and will be replaced with Wayland. The sound stack was replaced with PulseAudio. And so on.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Gnome3, systemd etc. (450 comments)

What do you think less or more are? special tools to read files.
Also journalctl -b | less works just fine.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:Gnome3, systemd etc. (450 comments)

Since only 2011 Debian supports a different kernel then Linux (kFreeBSD) (Debian was founded in 1993), so it does not make any sense to argue that Debian should support other kernels for a "diversity of systems". I don't think there is any commitment of a diversity of init systems.
By your "reasonable definition" nothing on my Linux desktop is modular. IPC messages are the highest possible abstraction, then comes dynamic libraries, then static libraries.

What rest? Systemd core is just systemd, journald, networkd and logind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

As far as I understand uselessd is not using Kdbus, which is the future default IPC protocol of the Linux kernel.
If you need the features of uselessd, go for it. But it have nothing to do with your argument.

about three weeks ago
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Joey Hess Resigns From Debian

devent Re:I will be changing to FreeBSD too (450 comments)

I have no relationship. Just using happy Fedora 20 with systemd. I just want to hear a genuine error of systemd.

about three weeks ago

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