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Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

drinkypoo Re:Simple set of pipelined utilties! (248 comments)

Xorg, which on desktop is as critical as init to keep running, is not really simple.

Never go full retard. X is not even remotely as important as init. For one thing, if X dies, who will restart it? And do we really want computers that explode when the GUI dies? I, for one, would like network services to terminate gracefully. The whole idea of TCP/IP networks, the dominant network used with Unix, is peer-to-peer. I may well run both services and clients on my machine. If X dies, the clients may die (if they're not text and running in screen) but the servers won't.

kernel, which is also as critical as init to keep running, and it is *much* *much* more complex than systemd. systemd is not at the "bottom layer" of the system, there's the whole of kernel underneath still.

So the argument is that since the kernel is complex, we should add more complexity, or that more complexity won't matter? That's an ignorant, illogical argument.

And one common myth is that systemd has these so many features and systemd is pid 1 therefore pid 1 is this huge bloated monster that does udev, logging and NTP, right? Wrong; actually, just the core bits of systemd run in pid 1 and the rest is compartmentalized in a bunch of separate daemon processes.

Systemd still has to be more complicated so that it knows how to run these other processes, which wasn't even necessary. init was never meant to manage daemons. daemons were meant to manage themselves, or be run from inetd. If you want more complexity, inetd is the place to add it. And for handling daemons which don't adequately manage themselves, there's daemontools. There was simply no need whatsoever for this to happen.

So, this "increased complexity" issue is not really as bad as it sounds, realistically.

It is bad, because PID1 is now responsible for a bunch of things which could have existed in any other daemon. And rather than roll the things which actually make sense in together, everything is getting rolled together. So now not only do we depend on a complex kernel, but we depend on a needlessly complex init system. There was no good reason to put all of this stuff into the same daemon.

3 hours ago
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Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

drinkypoo Re:Simple set of pipelined utilties! (248 comments)

You can't seriously claim that systemd provides nothing that can't be done by script based init systems, shell scripts and existing daemons

Yes, yes I can. And I did.

logind is just one example

Does nothing a script can't do

But it would be an interesting project to make a Linux SysVinit distro that tried get feature parity with systemd, so that daemons could utilize the kernel "namespaces" and "capabilities"

Systemd doesn't even fucking use capabilities, just cgroups. Which we could use before systemd. Systemd manages permissions in lieu of using capabilities, e.g. apparmor or selinux.

Isn't that argument just trying to make a virtue out of the fact, that SysVinit and the like, are totally crude and primitive init systems that are unable to anything much of interest?

No. That is the virtue. They are simple. Simplicity is still a virtue.

All the analyses I have seen shows that moving crucial processes into PID2, just makes everything more fragile and opens up security holes.

Making PID1 more complex makes everything more fragile and opens up security holes.

I think that there are actually very good design reasons for why systemd is designed like it is.

NIH

It only runs one process as PID1, the daemon "systemd" which is rather small. This daemon however, is capable of "talking" with with several other processes, which gives it many advantages,

This is making init do stuff it doesn't need to do, which makes it more complex, which makes it more fragile. You should not need a detailed explanation to understand why this is a bad thing.

3 hours ago
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Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

drinkypoo Re:Are you even aware of SystemD works? (248 comments)

You don't seem to understand how SystemD actually works. The PID 1 is relatively simple -- it uses all sorts of separate (i.e. non-PID 1) helper processes to do all the heavy and complicated lifting.

Lifting which should not be done by PID 1. And PID 1 has to be more complex than it should be just to handle those external programs.

SystemD currently does a fuckton of stuff no other currently usable init system on Linux does.

It does a lot of stuff the init system shouldn't do.

(Reliable process supervision which cannot be evaded,

cgroups existed before systemd.

sane handling of process stdout/stderr

Up to the init script.

proper handling of dependencies at runtime

Already handled by several init systems.

socket activation

We call it inetd.

I don't particularly care which init system my system runs, but I want those features and currently only SystemD can deliver them.

That is ignorance at best, or perhaps a lie.

Please stop spreading FUD about things you know next to nothing about.

You have no idea about anything, that didn't stop you. I see why you didn't log in.

3 hours ago
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A DC-10 Passenger Plane Is Perfect At Fighting Wildfires

drinkypoo Re:Lament the DC10 (84 comments)

That aircraft had an awful, awful 2-5-2 seat arrangement in economy

So to be clear, it's more awful to have 1 out of every 9 people have to pass two people if they want to use the bathroom than to have 2 out of every 6? Because that's typical economy seating plans are 3-3.

6 hours ago
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Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

drinkypoo Re:Simple set of pipelined utilties! (248 comments)

If you really buy that principle and want to enforce it religiously,

It's not a religion, it's a principle. When it makes sense, you put it aside and get work done. The argument against systemd is that it doesn't make sense. systemd is a simple case of NIH because it provides absolutely nothing which could not be implemented with the existing daemons and some small shell scripts.

That't the issue: Every single person who hates SystemD because "UNIX PHILOSOPHY!!" has no problem violating that philosophy to actually get things done in a whole bunch of other areas.

That's right.

That's not even bringing up the fact that SystemD is.. wait for it... built from a bunch of individual utilities that can actually be used by non-systemd programs.

That's not the complaint. The complaint is that the process at PID 1 should be simple. You people running around screaming about a bunch of different processes are only compounding the proof that you do not understand Unix. It's not a problem to have many processes.

6 hours ago
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California Declares Carpooling Via Ride-Share Services Illegal

drinkypoo Re:Carpooling should be as free as speech (286 comments)

Of course it's who they approve of - because the point of carpool lanes is to effectively remove significant traffic and air pollution, and they felt that Uber doesn't qualify.

Bullshit, they're still letting licensed commercial vehicles use the HOV lane. The fact is that HOV lanes are shit. They're a waste of space which accomplishes none of the stated goals. Simply adding another general lane does more to reduce emissions, because it does more to reduce congestion, and thus reduces idling — where vehicles without start-stop systems get 0 MPG and thus are producing pure pollution. They're always trying to justify the existence of HOV lanes with bullshit like this, but they still are unjustifiable.

9 hours ago
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Apple Edits iPhone 6's Protruding Camera Out of Official Photos

drinkypoo Re:Silly design decision (381 comments)

Phones have big screens now, so they need armor anyway. So since you're going to put armor on the phone, you want the phone to get thinner, so that the phone with a case on it is still thin. Just making the phone thin allows the user to put whichever case on it they like, so they get to personalize their phone and you don't have to try to anticipate their needs, instead letting the whole world do that. And that's why having the camera really doesn't matter. In fact, having the bezel around it protrude from the camera probably helps protect that side from scratches. What's the problem, planned to slot-load the phone?

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Micron Releases 16nm-Process SSDs With Dynamic Flash Programming

drinkypoo Re:Mixed units (56 comments)

As a result, /. implemented a Unicode whitelist because they keep adding all sorts of stuff to Unicode.

Is there anything in this whitelist?

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AT&T Proposes Net Neutrality Compromise

drinkypoo Re:Here's another idea... (233 comments)

And don't come back with the "US is too biiiiig!" excuse. You have electricity, water and gas, don't you?

No, no I don't. I have electricity, but I get water out of the ground and have gas brought in on a truck.

yesterday
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California Declares Carpooling Via Ride-Share Services Illegal

drinkypoo Re:Carpooling should be as free as speech (286 comments)

Even with the new rules that for-profit "ridesharing" (i.e. independent taxi service) can't use the carpool lane, ANYONE with more than one person in a car not charging the passenger gets to use the lane,

Right. Because someone is charging for something, they're not permitted to use the lane. That's prejudicial, since both people who are not charging and people who are charging but have a license to do so are able to use the lane. So it's not ANYONE, it's ANYONE YOU APPROVE OF.

yesterday
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MIT's Cheetah Robot Runs Untethered

drinkypoo Re:Of course you use force control to run fast. (88 comments)

Pardon my ignorant question, but how is it a problem to have traction control? Wouldn't it be enough to glue traction strips to the feet or something?

Real animals have traction control.

yesterday
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Court: Car Dealers Can't Stop Tesla From Selling In Massachusetts

drinkypoo Re:Car Dealers should ask why they're being bypass (146 comments)

I believe the primary reasons are more likely to do with distance and communication.

But there's no reason to believe that.

The idea of trying to manage a network of stores across the country when communication was by post or expensive phone calls just simply didn't make sense.

What? Why not? Cars are expensive items, phone calls are minimal by comparison. If you have an order for a car, you drop the form in the post. At least, they did back then.

In fact, the reasons are as stated. The manufacturers want to make cars at X dollars, which requires building Y cars. Right now there are cars which can't be sold piled up all over the world, for reasons like these and others (e.g. "the economy, stupid")

2 days ago
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Microsoft To Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang For $2.5 Billion

drinkypoo some kind of EULA situation (324 comments)

I was at home with a bad cold a couple of weeks ago when the internet exploded with hate against me over some kind of EULA situation that I had nothing to do with.

Yeah, some kind of EULA situation, like basically outlawing for-pay Minecraft services including hosting, selling packages of items, etc. In short, making most of the best MC servers illegal. The fact that he has nothing to do with it any more suggests that he should indeed uninvolve himself.

Itâ(TM)s not about the money. Itâ(TM)s about my sanity.

He's still a hypocrite given his explosion of hate over Oculus Rift, especially after this statement. He deserves our derision, and he's getting it.

2 days ago
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Surprise! More Than Twice As Much Mercury In Environment As Thought

drinkypoo Re:#1 Source of Environmental Mercury = Gold Minin (173 comments)

Sorry, what's an "RO filter"?

Reverse osmosis, which uses water pressure both to push water through a plastic membrane (the osmosis part) but also to back-flush the filter. An "efficient" RO filter wastes about 10 parts of water for each 1 part filtered, but we have a well and a septic system so no harm done really.

2 days ago
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Apple Outrages Users By Automatically Installing U2's Album On Their Devices

drinkypoo Re:First world problems. (606 comments)

In your view, the fact that people were given for free a piece of music is something they should rightfully complain about?

You know how frustrating it is when your computer downloads updates while you're trying to watch a video? Now combine that with the potential to accidentally hear a U2 song while you're trying to listen to something that someone would program intentionally and you'll get the picture.

People aren't complaining about free music. They're complaining about automatic download of shitty music. If they wanted that, they could have signed up for it. There's whole websites based around the idea.

2 days ago
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Chrome For Mac Drops 32-bit Build

drinkypoo Re:It did? (129 comments)

He already found a solution, he's not going to follow your hostile advice.

He found a "solution" which may lead to him becoming a shuffling zombie. It's in no one's best interest to defend that.

2 days ago
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The Future According To Stanislaw Lem

drinkypoo Re:High-power industrial civilization may not last (195 comments)

There are lots of arguments over when we start running out of key resource.

Well, the only key resource we're actually in danger of running out of is phosphorous. Anything else we have lots of, can recycle, or can substitute for.

3 days ago
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Technological Solution For Texting While Driving Struggles For Traction

drinkypoo Re:10 and 2 is for older cars (324 comments)

The unused hand only comes into play for extremely violent maneuvering; huge hand-over-hand steering inputs.

Or if something serious happens, like a wheel falls off. Keep both hands on the wheel.

3 days ago
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Technological Solution For Texting While Driving Struggles For Traction

drinkypoo Re:A solution in search of a problem... (324 comments)

It is against the law pretty much everywhere. However that law is enforced pretty much nowhere. It is just simply too difficult to enforce it, as a police officer has to catch the person in the act to even write a ticket. And then the ticket is so laughably small in terms of the monetary penalty as to be pointless to even write.

Once you successfully stick them with driving while using a cellphone, you have the basis to also slap them with driving while distracted, if they're speeding reckless endangerment as well...

3 days ago
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California Declares Carpooling Via Ride-Share Services Illegal

drinkypoo Re:Carpooling should be as free as speech (286 comments)

Wait, so anyone who has more than one person in their car and doesn't charge them for it is part of the "protected class"?

That doesn't even make any sense as an interpretation of what I said, given what it was in response to.

3 days ago

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Supermicro fails at IPMI, leaks admin passwords

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about 3 months ago

drinkypoo (153816) writes "Zachary Wikholm of Security Incident Response Team (CARISIRT) has publicly announced a serious failure in IPMI BMC (management controller) security on at least 31,964 public-facing systems with motherboards made by SuperMicro: "Supermicro had created the password file PSBlock in plain text and left it open to the world on port 49152." These BMCs are running Linux 2.6.17 on a Nuvoton WPCM450 chip. An exploit will be rolled into metasploit shortly. There is already a patch available for the affected hardware."
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UK court sanctions Apple for non-compliance

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about 2 years ago

drinkypoo writes "Per PJ over on Groklaw as always, "Since Apple did not comply with the order in its estimation, adding materials that were not ordered and in addition were "false", the judges ordered Apple to pay Samsung's lawyers' fees on an indemnity basis, and they add some public humiliation". And per the judge, "what Apple added was false and misleading". Your move, Apple."
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Empirical evidence of anthropogenic global warming

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

drinkypoo writes ""an analysis of high resolution spectral data allowed scientists to quantitatively attribute the increase in downward radiation to each of several greenhouse gases (Evans 2006). The results lead the authors to conclude that "this experimental data should effectively end the argument by skeptics that no experimental evidence exists for the connection between greenhouse gas increases in the atmosphere and global warming.""
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Scientology proven false... by their counsel

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 3 years ago

drinkypoo (153816) writes ""In one very interesting moment, Davis said, 'Of course, if it's true that Mr. Hubbard was never injured during the war, then he never did heal himself using Dianetics principles, then Dianetics is based on a lie, and then Scientology is based on a lie. The truth is that Mr. Hubbard was a war hero.' And the way he phrased that, that everything depended on whether Hubbard had sustained these injuries and healed himself was like a wager on the table." And to drive the point home, "And [a researcher] had inquired about Howard D. Thompson, this lieutenant commander that supposedly signed this notice of separation. And the archivist at the time said they had thoroughly researched the roles of Navy officers at the time, and there was no such person.""
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Journals

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OMFG it's "rein in" seriously WTFBBQ

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about 3 months ago

Lately, I'm seeing more and more "reign in" on Slashdot and I've got to say, I'm disappointed.

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2+ port router+asterisk server?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about 4 months ago

I need a new system on which to run asterisk, bonus points if I don't have to configure it from scratch. I'd like to spend less than $200 (ideally I'd pick up something used if necessary for $100) but I have storage devices available, whether CF, SD, USB, or what have you. It can have wireless, but it doesn't have to because I have a routerboard for that. I have found my pogoplugs to be unreliable at best.

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nosupportlinuxhosting fail

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year ago

I decided to try out nosupportlinuxhosting but they appear to have suspended hyperlogos.org without notice or explanation. I sure hope I don't have to issue a chargeback, that would be stupid. I'm already waiting for Amazon to process two returns that have been sitting around at their facilities for weeks.

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This website has gone to shit

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

I'm not talking about the content, that has always been shit
I'm talking about what happens when I try to modify my relationships.

OK

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, admin@slashdot.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at slashdot.org Port 80

Of course I reported the error. Of course I never heard back. Now I'm seeing it again.
Slashdot is basically unusable without friends/foes lists.

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If you require Javascript, you are incompetent or evil

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Subject says it all. If I can't read your content without javascript, either you are an idiot, or you're evil, or you're an evil idiot.

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Users opt in, but they don't opt out

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Google will tell you that their collection of "anonymous" location statistics is opt-in. That is, technically, true. However, on Gingerbread it is not opt-out. Once turned on, there is no option to disable it, that was added later. That, or I have forgotten all I once knew about google-fu. I can find how to change your mind about this on ICS, but not on GB.

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Slashdot Achievements Leaderboards?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

I became curious (about Slashdot achievements, silly) and searched to no avail. Anyone have any clue?

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Keep it coming, mod trolls

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3436185&cid=42803807
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3436175&cid=42803841
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3430839&cid=42803897
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3436185&cid=42804399

I can afford it.

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I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Modtrolls troll mod. Film at eleven.

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3428941&cid=42771455
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3428941&cid=42771437
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3426877&cid=42770781
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3427061&cid=42770777
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3427083&cid=42770769

Pretty sure this time I offended an iFanboi.

Too bad you can't tag things "slashdot"

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Bring it on, bitches

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Every time I get a modtroll I get validation. Here are the five comments in question, all downmodded in a row by someone too lazy to even spread out their punitive moderation.

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3411745&cid=42715053
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3412111&cid=42714885
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3412141&cid=42714871
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3412263&cid=42714843
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3412263&cid=42714801

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Internet Bravery

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

I should very much like to demand satisfaction from people who are badly in need of correction. Namely, those who use insults against me in lieu of argument. (I am not above answering insult with insult, of course.) When are we going to get internet VR boxing, so that I can realistically challenge some random dipshit who talks a lot of shit to a boxing match and announce his cowardice should he decline?

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Moderation works?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

Well, some mod douchewaffle spent all his points on me because I'm anti gun control. I heart slashdot.

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Android for Raspberry Pi

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  about 2 years ago

More or less every day I visit the Raspberry Pi home page to see if there is any new information on when the allegedly-mostly-working Android 4 will be released, and every day there isn't. As far as I know, Broadcom is the holdup. This does not give me confidence in Broadcom...

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What can be done about the Microsoft astroturfers?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Is there indeed anything we can do about the new cadre of Microsoft astroturfers with modpoints? Is it just time to finally give up. I can't imagine that they haven't actually paid their way in.

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Good large-format inkjet with continuous inking?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

I am looking for a large-format inkjet with continuous inking that is suitable for printing poster prints and the like. Ideally it would have both Linux and Windows support, preferably through a standard protocol, but this is not an absolute necessity. What IS a necessity is the ability to install a continuous inking system for making these large prints, and being able to change inks. I am biased towards Epson or Canon but I want good advice, not just biased.

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Copyright

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

Copyright is not a natural right, and if it had been instituted in its current form (denial of copying, as opposed to forced copying) two thousand years earlier we'd probably be at least a thousand years behind where we are now.

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Strategy games that don't cheat?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

OK, I know AI is hard (no pun intended) but are there any strategy games out there that don't cheat on any but the lowest levels? Haven't tried Civ V yet, but IV is just another case of easy easy easy IMPOSSIBLE to me... I just can't muster the interest to outsmart a computer program written to cheat against me.

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Continuous servos?

drinkypoo drinkypoo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

I want some continuous servos. Should I buy or hack? What's good to buy if I just want to do that? Double-BB and metal gear would both be nice.

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