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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

Yeah....cause once it oxidizes its harmless right?

So um...what does it oxidize into?
Oh. Right.

Carbon Dioxide.

4 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take to abate your fear? (276 comments)

plus, if you would be so kind as to specify which specific historical events your referencing, i'm sure we'll find even more ignorance on your part for us to correct.
could you mayhaps be refering to a local warming/cooling in europe? possibly the dinosaurs when the entire atmosphere was dramatically different (Oxygen was ~40% higher than today, as well CO2 high enough that we (humans) wouldnt be able to breath comfortably). or some other popular denier myth?

4 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take to abate your fear? (276 comments)

historically being "many many thousands of years ago" and "it slowly warmed up over a period of many thousands of years".
not "right now today" and "it happened in the past century and half, ever since we started burning oil to make our economies run"
that's a not so subtle, and very important distiction.

yes, seaside communities may be able to adapt....if deniers dont get in the way, such as North Carolina barring state agencies, BY LAW, from using observations and predictions of sea rise related to global warming to make those same preparations and adaptions you just mentioned. They literally made it state law to cover their eyes and ear and ignore and do nothing.

Bear in mind just how high 3 feet average rise is though. that's a TREMENDOUS amount of water. its not just about the basements that are now flooded, or docks that need raised. there's also the dramatically higher storm surges, that will now push even further inland.

your indifference is nothing but a reflection of your ignorance.
whcih is then backed up by your second and thrid comments, which are just dumb beyond comprehension. no one has ever denied that natural warming occurs.

4 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

the only reason you dont understand is because rather than correct your ignorance by learning why the paradox exists, instead you stopped and said "Nope, I quit."

4 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

Actually global warming goes back to the 1830s if not sooner. So it's closer to 200 than 30 years.
Secondly, it's happening right before your eyes. What more verification do you need?

Unless youre one of those who everytime a new line of observation comes along further reinforcing it* you say "lalalalalalalalalalallalalallala cant hear you its not happening".

(*we're up to what now, something 30 odd different lines of observational evidence that either support GW or disprove the deniers favorite pet explanations, between atmospheric temps at various altitudes, polar ice, tree rings, ancient gas samples in rock and ice cores, ocean temps, storm frequency/severity, solar activity/output cycles, etc?)

5 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re: unfair policy (276 comments)

blah blah science has been wrong before blah blah.

That's almost, but not quite, the most ignorant position you could take.

5 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:unfair policy (276 comments)

Ice extent is really just area, which combined with thickness gives you volume, so i dont know if i'd say its that bad as an indicator. It's certainly the most visible visually.

Anyway.
Another really good indicator though is Age or Permanence.
Used to be the majority of the ice was old, meaning its more or less permenant, and only some of hte ice, mostly around the edges was refreshed (melted and re-added) every year. Now more and more of it is young ice, and less and less is "old" ice, which also feeds into the "more is melting every year" observation.

5 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:Yawn. (276 comments)

"smarter places" ? Just precisely why do you think those cities developed where they did in the first place?

A tremendous amount of human civilization has always centered around sea ports.
All you're doing is suggesting moving the location of the sea ports.
Its no more or less smart than the original locations.

And you're also talking about moving more than half of hte world's population, probably around 5 billion people (~3 bil. lives near the current coast, but a 230ft sea rise would go inland hundreds of miles, ballooning the numbers even more). And not just the people, but the infrastructure, the housing, and a not insignificant amount of the agriculture that supports them. Not to mention a lot of the sea port population is sustained not by agriculture, but also by aquaculture, ie, the ocean, both for food and jobs. But if the coast moves inland a few hundred miles it will take time for sea life to colonize and develope the new underwater territory, meaning fishermen need to go out further.

It also means the water column would be significantly deeper. Current coral reefs would die off from lack of sunlight, and all the sea life they support would also die off since it takes a long time for new coral to establish and grow. If sea levels rise and fall at their typical naturaly rates, the coral expands and contracts to match. But sudden and swift changes occur faster than the coral can grow, leaving reefs and all the life they support unsupported.

Yes, your situation is a hypothetical, but it's a perfect illustration of how much thought people -DON'T- put into this, how the effects are far more wide ranging than a lot of people think they are. Are we likely to see 250 ft sea rise? Not yet, not in the next century anyway. But we are likely to see 8-10ft of rise, and that alone will leed to dramatic changes to various ecosystems, both land and sea, particularly those occuring within narrow tolerances.

8 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:Failed (276 comments)

the entire point of the article was that it's a local phenomina. the massive influx of fresh water is causing a local rise due to the time it takes for it to completely mix and disperse into the global seas. we normally think of sea level being the same (minus tides and other local variations) worldwide, because we know that water "levels out", which is why this is interesting: it's another local variation to that concept*.

If you think of a river in a steady state, it's pretty much at the same level (albeit flowing down "hill" over a really long distance). Similar baseline concept.
Then consider the effects of a sudden deluge upstream, or in today's world a massive release from a dam upriver. Such a thing would cause a significant rise in the river level, but it takes time for it to work its way down the entire river. Similar concept as this here where a rise around Antarctica will take time to work its way out into the global seas and even here.

(*kind of like the Pacific and Atlantic oceans at either end of the Panama Canal being at different heights)

9 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

sadly, its already here.

case in point: the House science committee, staffed mostly by religious anti-science nuts.

10 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

or we could abandon earth and get off this rock before its too late and colonize the stars.

though then when we show up at galactic parties, everyone will turn their heads and hide their chuckles at the species that destroyed their own homeworld though ignorance.

10 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

And that right there is your ignorance.

A couple decades ago they figured out CFC's, specifically the chlorine in them, was making it really high up in the atmosphere, where it reacted with sunlight to destroy ozone molecules in an unending chain reaction. The thinning of the ozone layer, and even development of holes in it, was leading to increased UV radiation reaching the ground rather than being absorbed up there in the ozone layer. skin cancer rates were measurably increasing. These CFCs came predominantly from the refrigerants ("freon") we used in these new fangled air conditioners that had popped into use in the recent decades.

Now no one wanted to give up their A/C. It was the single biggest reason people began moving to the sun belt (population exploded down there, where it used to be very sparse). Everyone loves A/C. so instead we did a few things. we developed new coolants there was less reactive. we got better at trapping them and preventing them from escaping into the atmosphere (used to be common to just vent straight into the air before that).

and the result of a world wide effort and fundamental A/C industry changes was that the ozone recovered. it's a natural layer that barring outside influence will develope and hover around a set level on its own. once we figured out what was harming it, and removed that influence it pretty much went back to normal.

We (humanity) did that.
We created a world wide problem.
And then we fixed it.
And people have already forgotten about it.

But there is no reasont o think we can't do it again with GW.
We have the technology right now, today, to end nearly ALL human CO2 emissions.
It would still take several decades for the current trend to slow, stop, and even reverse, but eventually our actions would reach an equilibrium (assuming we havent already passed any of the theorized tipping points that leads to a new, unfavorable equilibrium).

But we could do it.
It's just a matter of political will.

And that's what people would obstruct. From the oil/gas companies who love their money, to the religious folks who think its blasphemy to think we could even affect God's Earth, to the politicians and tea partiers who would rather die young on a dead planet in the name of "Freedom! 'Merica. No taxes! F YA" cause they somehow think fixing it means no feedom at all and nothing but taxes.

Pure greed and ignorance all of it.

We already know what runaway global warming can do. We call it the pre-cambrian extinction event, when nonstop volcanic eruptions in Siberia lasted for thousands of years, causing runaway global warming that eventually killed 98% of all life on earth. Life itself nearly went extinct. (and its rather a miracle that it didnt, and that following events eventually triggered massive cooling that made the planet habitable for life as we know it). And that event, that warming, and the following extinctions, lasted longer than all of current human civilization has existed. And it took millions of years for life to recover and re-evolve.

But still: we could do it.
We could fix this problem before it's too late.
It's not a matter of ability or capability to do it, but simply the will to do so.

Or we oculd sit around with thumbs in our butts and do nothing, calling those who identify the problem and its potential "alarmists" and "radicals", and fear any change or technologies that would enable us to fix the problem.

10 hours ago
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This 'SimCity 4' Region With 107 Million People Took Eight Months of Planning

dywolf Re:simcity 4 is best simcity (103 comments)

Specifically the DOS version, not the windows one.
As I recall, the DOS version allowed you to speed up the game, while windows would not.
I used this feature to make tons of money and let changes stabilize overnight while I slept.

10 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

also, as weather patterns shift, it makes sense that some regions where its almsot cold enough to form ice become cold enough to form ice. and other nearby areas where its almost warm enough to melt become warm enough to melt.

these are local variations.
again: dont confuse local short term variations with long term global trends or averages.

10 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

The arctic ice isn't coming back because of GW.

the ice in the Arctic increased compared to two year ago, but 2 years ago was the lowest every recorded, a statistical outlier. this year, while much more than 2012, is still dramatically below the average of the past several decades.

the trendline is clearly downward.
1 or 2 data points dont overturn a several decade long trendline.
and that downward trendline exists because of global warming.

11 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:What will it take? (276 comments)

Nothing. They'd be doing nothing. Or at least less of what they're doing now. That's rather the point.

People too often confuse yearly global scale averages with local daily observations. A planet that is on average 1C warmer on a global scale hides a lot of variation. For ex, this year has seen both coldest winter the east coast of the US has experience in years, to the hottest summer heat wave in Oz in quite some time.

Instability within the system increases which creates more extreme extremes, but the overall global trend is more heat, with rather makes sense because what we're ultiamtely talking about an increase in the total energy of the system because less of it is able to re-radiate away from the planet. (and that's a tremendous amount of energy considering we're talking about the planetary scale)

11 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:unfair policy (276 comments)

JFC, even the link you used disproves your point.
From the article you linked:

While this increase in ice volume is welcome news, it does not indicate a reversal in the long-term trend.

“It’s estimated that there was around 20 000 cubic kilometres of Arctic sea ice each October in the early 1980s, and so today’s minimum still ranks among the lowest of the past 30 years,” said Professor Andrew Shepherd from University College London, a co-author of the study.

(emphasis added)

11 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:unfair policy (276 comments)

^this. Mod up.

11 hours ago
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Study: Antarctic Sea-Level Rising Faster Than Global Rate

dywolf Re:unfair policy (276 comments)

Your link is a lie.

11 hours ago

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America's Internet is the Best, Europe's a failure, says Washington DC Expert

dywolf dywolf writes  |  about a year ago

dywolf (2673597) writes "Harry Alford, the CEO of the NBCC in Washington, D.C., has written that that America's Internet is the best in the world. "85% of Americans enjoy 100MBps internet, blowing away Europe where only 50 percent of households can access even one-third of that speed". And not only is our system the envy of the world, thanks to the deregulations of the Clinton Era telecommunications reforms and the free market, but Europe's internet access is a complete failure due to overregulation. "It's why America's Internet is faster than in leading Eurpean nations. The greatest Internet companies in the world — from Amazon to Facebook — are American companies. We should stick with the free-market system that's worked so well.""
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CEO of National Black Chamber of Congress says America's Internet is the Best

dywolf dywolf writes  |  about a year ago

dywolf (2673597) writes "Harry Alford, the CEO of the National Black Chamber of Congress in Washington, D.C., wrote into The Oklahoman newspaper to rebut a previous letter to the editor decrying the stat of America's Internet. He tells tell us not to fear, that America's Internet is the best in the world. Apparently "85% of Americans enjoy 100MBps internet, blowing away Europe where only 50 percent of households can access even one-third of that speed". And not only is our system the envy of the world, thanks to the deregulations of the Clinton Era telecommunications reforms, but Europe's internet access is a complete failure due to overregulation. The letter can be found here: http://newsok.com/free-market-system-worked-for-americas-internet/article/3879006"
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Writer extols crowd sourced crime solving...while ignoring it's failure

dywolf dywolf writes  |  about a year ago

dywolf (2673597) writes "Gary C. Kessler, a contributor to CNN Opinion, has written a piece in which he extols the virtues of crowdsourcing, and how it helped capture the Bostom bombers....except for that part where crowdsourcing failed to indentity the real suspects, and actually led to some false accusations. He then goes on to talk about the privacy issues involved in constant public surveillance. From the article: "The Boston Marathon bombing investigation made use of crowdsourcing to collect photos and video from cell phones and surveillance cameras at an unprecedented level. These pictures were made public a little more than 72 hours after the explosions and the second suspect was arrested 29 hours later.
[...]
The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly offer citizens a right of privacy, although many court decisions certainly support such an ideal. Indeed, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis is well known for his observation, 'The right to be left alone — the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by a free people.'""

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Hostess, maker of Twinkies, to shutdown

dywolf dywolf writes  |  about 2 years ago

dywolf (2673597) writes "In a shocking and disturbing bit of news Hostess, unable to work out a new contract with its bakers who are striking, has filed for bankrupty and requested permission from the court to shutdown operations. The world's most perfect food in the upcoming apocalypse may disappear as the Twinkie supply dwindles."
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Electronic Arts pulls Bait and Switch with FIFA 13

dywolf dywolf writes  |  about 2 years ago

dywolf (2673597) writes "Electronic Arts has released FIFA 13. The problem? It's FIFA 12 with a new box. Same graphics, same modes, literally the same everything. Other than new socks for your players."
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Indian Superbug gene found in American cat

dywolf dywolf writes  |  about 2 years ago

dywolf (2673597) writes "The NDM-1 story has been long and contentious (my archive of posts is here), but from the first, two things have been clear. However the political battles fall out, medicine views the emergence of this gene as a catastrophe, because it edges organisms to the brink of being completely non-responsive to antibiotics, as untreatable as if the infections were contracted before the antibiotic era began. And because the gene resides in organisms that happily live in the gut without causing symptoms, NDM-1 has been a hidden catastrophe, crossing borders and entering hospitals without ever being detected."
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