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Microsoft Brings Office Online To Chrome OS; Ars Reviews Windows Phone 8.1

exomondo Re:Scroogled (67 comments)

That only applied while they were busy working out the details for the embrace, extend and extinguish strategy they will use towards competing mobile operating systems

And how exactly would that work? Or is this just a case of "Microsoft is doing something therefore it must be Embrace Extend Extinguish"?

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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:we don't know what happened AT ALL (579 comments)

I don't understand how else it could be shocking to find a bug in a piece of software unless it didn't contain any bugs.

It's not just a bug, it's this bug. Clearly a bug this severe is a much more shocking revelation than say an issue with toolbar location persistence in libre office.

It's not as if "severe" bugs are easier to find. Why does it damage the many eyes claim? It had many eyes on it, and it eventually got found by a few of those many eyes. Nothing is *the* answer. Open source is one of many ways to *improve* the quality of code.

And it has dubious value given that this bug was committed, reviewed and accepted then extremely widely circulated despite many eyes being on it. It's not about having heaps of people look at it, it's about having a few people with the right knowledge and understanding of the system looking at it.

I think it quite clearly does improve the quality.

So what's the argument? That you have many eyes on it so this is less likely to happen than...what? Closed source software? Lower profile Open Source software? This is why it has dubious value, yes you might happen to fluke it but you're just as likely to have many eyes that completely miss it. Touting it as an advantage (even if it is in some circumstances) does it a disservice because you end up with people trusting that "it's open source so many other people are looking at it" and then you get a situation like this where it is used in literally billions of situations and the critical flaw was missed just like can happen in closed source projects. The advantage is the ability to find and fix issues yourself, not that many other people may or may not be doing it for you.

2 days ago
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Code Quality: Open Source vs. Proprietary

exomondo Re:Not a surprise (131 comments)

but given an arbitrary acceptable error, there are usually acceptable sample numbers and sampling strategies.

Well you need people that can fully understand a particular complex system to find the tough bugs, and you need a lot of them dedicated to it. I would say there is rarely ever enough, except maybe on the Linux kernel where the critical error rate is pretty low (though they do happen). Demonstrated by the key advantage of free/open source software being that it is easier/quicker to fix bugs in it, not that is necessarily more bug-free than proprietary software in general.

2 days ago
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Code Quality: Open Source vs. Proprietary

exomondo Re:Not a surprise (131 comments)

Right so just having lots of people looking over it won't necessarily accomplish anything, in fact you probably need an unrealistically large amount of people with the ability to understand the system looking over it for that to be of benefit.

2 days ago
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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:we don't know what happened AT ALL (579 comments)

I am not aware of any claims made by anyone remotely reputable that open source software doesn't contain bugs.

I didn't say anyone did, in fact such a thing is demonstrably false so I'm not quite sure what you say that.

Even if the claim is that open source software contains fewer bugs, finding one bug does not disprove that sort of claim.

No but when a bug this severe is discovered in something so widely deployed it certainly does damage the "many eyes" claim, it has about as many eyes on it as any open source program is likely to get so clearly that isn't the answer. Having "many eyes" doesn't necessarily diminish the quality, but obviously it doesn't necessarily improve it either so saying it's better because it has "many eyes" looking over it is disingenuous at best.

2 days ago
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Microsoft Brings Office Online To Chrome OS; Ars Reviews Windows Phone 8.1

exomondo Re:All I can say to that is... (67 comments)

Why is the open source community incapable of outdoing commercial de-facto standard apps with poor UIs?

Perhaps it's that with an application this large you really need designers that have a consistent vision for what it needs to be like and every new feature that is introduced that requires a GUI element needs to go through a design process. If you switch designers you're likely to end up with inconsistent design throughout the application. People have their own opinions about how things should be done, if you lose a developer and he/she is replaced then whether he/she refactors the area of code they are responsible for has no visible impact on the user, but if a designer does that then the effect is immediate inconsistency.

Also maybe UI designers are less inclined to work for free? So you end up with UIs designed by programmers instead, they work the way a programmer thinks they should work which is rarely how an end user thinks they should work. A similar situation occurs with documentation.

The exception to this is probably Blender, the more recent UI improvements and high quality of documentation show the high level of community (by that I include production studios and independent hobbyists and professionals) interest, support and use of the product not to mention the contributions made to it. In professional circles photographers don't use GIMP, they use Photoshop just as most use MS Office over Libre/Open Office. Blender has some real, genuine advantages over its proprietary competitors, it isn't just a me-too, fast-follower product that copies a proprietary one and that is why it is successful.

2 days ago
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Code Quality: Open Source vs. Proprietary

exomondo Re:Not a surprise (131 comments)

Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow . --- Linux Torvalds

Actually that was Eric Raymond, and it is evident that in fact there never are enough eyeballs (at least ones that can comprehend what they are looking at). The theory is sound but in practice it is not.

2 days ago
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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:we don't know what happened AT ALL (579 comments)

My point is that nothing about this situation is any kind of failing of open source software if you had realistic expectations to begin with. There was a really bad bug that was introduced into a widely distributed piece of open source software and after a few years, some people found it and it's now getting fixed.

Of course, but it's those people that perpetuate the unrealistic expectations that have been put in their place. The fact that such people spread that nonsense is entirely the reason you have people now saying "a bug in widely used open source software?! how could that happen?!"

2 days ago
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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:Wat? (579 comments)

Because it is in an area with such a vocal group of people spouting "Impenetrable" for decades, it all of the sudden becomes quite newsworthy in a way that "yet-another-remote-code-execution-with-privilege-escalation-in-Acrobat-Reader" vulnerability doesn't.

Or maybe because - unlike OpenSSL - nobody is running products like acrobat reader on their server which contains millions of usernames, passwords and the encryption keys that go with them that is vulnerable to this bug.

2 days ago
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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:we don't know what happened AT ALL (579 comments)

It is also common to assume that when someone says "Anyone can verify open source software to be secure and non-malicious", they are saying "No one is prevented from verifying open source software", rather than "Anyone (regardless of their software engineering ability) will find every single bug in a piece of open source software."

It isn't a matter of "every single bug in a piece of open source software", this is a hugely deployed piece of open source security software and you would expect that if the "many eyes" thing were indeed true then this is exactly the place it would be demonstrated yet what we have here is one of the most widely deployed critical security bugs ever. This isn't a condemnation of open source in any way, just of the misguided vocal advocates that pad their arguments with falsehoods rather than focussing on the real advantages of open source (like the speed at which bugs like this can be patched).

If you thought that it was claimed that every piece of open source software was bug free (contingent upon being "verified" as such), I'm sorry to tell you that you were misinformed.

I know such claims have always been false and this is just more proof of it at the most prominent and non-theoretical level so I'm not quite sure what your point is. This alone didn't disprove the claim, it just added more proof (and at an extremely high visiblity) that the claim is false.

2 days ago
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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:we don't know what happened AT ALL (579 comments)

No it has been that open source can be verified to be secure and non-malicious, which is true only in theory, not in practice.

2 days ago
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How Does Heartbleed Alter the 'Open Source Is Safer' Discussion?

exomondo Re:we don't know what happened AT ALL (579 comments)

FOSS is nowhere in the conversation, btw...this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that this was Open Source project.

Well it does show that the often-used argument that open source is better because "I can review the code to make sure it is secure and not malicious" is false, not even the biggest vendors did that before using this code.

2 days ago
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Mozilla Appoints Former Marketing Head Interim CEO

exomondo Re:Fantastic Google Chrome marketing (202 comments)

It doesn't, I'm wondering whether the boycott was due to to Eich or the behavior of the employees who had him ousted. Like for example OKCupid's boycott was just silliness as it was directed at Eich but obviously affected both him (the prop 8 proponent) and the employees who were prop 8 opponents.

2 days ago
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Apple: Dumb As a Patent Trolling Fox On iPhone Prior Art?

exomondo Re:The Slide-to-Unlock Claim, for reference (408 comments)

Then prove it. To show that something is obvious at the time the video was made, having admitted that the video doesn't show continuous movement, all you need is another reference from the same era that does.

There's plenty, like this one which clearly shows continuous movement dragging a UI element. (see ~5 minute mark)

3 days ago
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Apple: Dumb As a Patent Trolling Fox On iPhone Prior Art?

exomondo Re:The Slide-to-Unlock Claim, for reference (408 comments)

Now, all along, I've been saying one thing: this is new in view of the video

If you take the video in isolation, yes. But who the hell is doing that? Nobody is arguing that this video alone - irrespective of anything else - is sufficient to disprove Apple's claim. Why would you even point out non-continuous movement?

"you're saying this is revolutionary and Steve Jobs should get the Nobel prize and be made Emperor of all tech and that's crazy and the patent system is broken and you're stupid and I like turtles!"

Meanwhile you've been saying "Apple's claim and this video aren't identical, i see 3 frames and can't see any correlation between that and animation of continuous movement", well no shit, nobody ever said they were and nobody is attempting to take this video in isolation to prove or disprove anything. Non-continous movement when dragging a UI element is a side-effect of the technology available at the time the video was made, it is obvious so it is irrelevant.

But here, I was assuming you would say "no, it is obvious". That's the no.

Yet they got the patent.

3 days ago
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Apple: Dumb As a Patent Trolling Fox On iPhone Prior Art?

exomondo Re:The Slide-to-Unlock Claim, for reference (408 comments)

We have a Boolean AND. One input is yes. The other input is no. What's the output?

Why are you making the assumption that the other input is no? I would think the addition of "unlock" on a slider control is pretty obvious, in fact given that almost every real-world representation of such a control does exactly that it is extremely obvious.

But the thing you have continually ignored is that even if you prove it to be novel and non-obvious it is still just an idea and you cannot patent an idea, you can only patent the implementation of an idea. That's the whole point of a patent, to protect a particular implementation, arguing over whether an idea is novel and non-obvious is pointless because it's just an idea.

3 days ago
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Mozilla Appoints Former Marketing Head Interim CEO

exomondo Re:Fantastic Google Chrome marketing (202 comments)

I and 5 others deleted Mozilla and moved to Chrome. It felt weird after all these years to not have Firefox but we voted with our feet. It's not even a gay thing, it's a "we are sick of bullies and hypocrites" thing.

But what about the LGBT employees there? The CEO was just one of the employees (and now he's gone) so the only people you're hurting are the other Mozilla employees, why are you so against them?

3 days ago
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Apple's Spotty Record of Giving Back To the Tech Industry

exomondo Re:Why would I work for free to make Apple rich? (266 comments)

That's why I prefer the BSD license, it is about altruism and collaborating with people who may have different ideologies. They may contribute their code back, they may not or they may only contribute some code back and that is their choice rather than the "if you're not going to play by my rules then i'm not going to play with you at all" of the GPL.

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New iOS keylogging vulnerability discovered

exomondo exomondo writes  |  about 2 months ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Following hot on the heels of the iOS (and OS X) SSL security bug comes the latest vulnerability in Apple's mobile operating system. It is a security bug that can be used as a vector for malware to capture touch screen, volume rocker, home button and (on supported devices) TouchID sensor presses, information that could be sent to a remote server to re-create the user's actions. The vulnerability exists in even the most recent versions of iOS and the authors claimed that they delivered a proof-of-concept monitoring app through the App Store."
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Google Play Services supplants Android as Google's "platform"

exomondo exomondo writes  |  about 7 months ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Google has a plan to circumvent the problem of fragmentation of its Android operating system across the installbase by using its proprietary, closed-source Google Play Services. Play Services is a privileged service that runs on Android and provides the sort of functionality to applications that would generally be seen in operating system updates like cloud backup, remote wipe, push messaging, etc... This service can be updated silently and independently of the operating system and runs on almost every version of Android out there allowing Google to add functionality to Android devices without having to go through the OEMs so having an up-to-date version of Android is looking like less of a necessity."
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Google demands Microsoft pull YouTube app for WP8

exomondo exomondo writes  |  about a year ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Google has given Microsoft until May 22nd to pull their Windows Phone 8 YouTube app from the marketplace and disable it on customer devices. It not only includes a built-in ad blocker but also allows users to download videos and doesn't impose device-specific streaming restrictions outlined in the YouTube Terms Of Service."
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Apple's Lightning connector hides Authentication chip inside

exomondo exomondo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Apple's new Lightning connector — introduced at the iPhone 5 launch — may be 80% smaller than its 30-pin predecessor, it may also boast reversibility but it includes within it an Authentication chip effectively preventing any unlicensed accessories. This allows Apple to completely control the market for all cable and dock accessories that make use of the new Lightning interface."
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Apache webserver updated to ignore Do Not Track settings in IE10

exomondo exomondo writes  |  about a year and a half ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "An Apache webserver update has been released that ignores the 'Do Not Track' privacy setting sent from IE. Patch author and Adobe employee Roy Fielding states "The only reason DNT exists is to express a non-default option" but critics of the patch point out that the initial Windows 8 setup explicitly points out that if you choose 'Express' setup as opposed to 'Custom' then 'Do Not Track' will be turned on."
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Sinofsky Confirms Desktop for Windows 8 ARM Devices

exomondo exomondo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Steven Sinofsky has set the record straight with regard to the desktop experience on ARM with Windows 8 in stating that it will indeed ship with desktop capabilities. Regarding Windows 8 on ARM (WOA) he says in a recent blog post on the Building Windows 8 site:

Using WOA “out of the box” will feel just like using Windows 8 on x86/64. You will sign in the same way. You will start and launch apps the same way. You will use the new Windows Store the same way. You will have access to the intrinsic capabilities of Windows, from the new Start screen and Metro style apps and Internet Explorer, to peripherals, and if you wish, the Windows desktop with tools like Windows File Explorer and desktop Internet Explorer.

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Windows 8 on ARM will have the Desktop

exomondo exomondo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Steven Sinofsky has set the record straight with regard to the desktop experience on ARM with Windows 8 in stating that it will indeed ship with desktop capabilities. Regarding Windows 8 on ARM (WOA) he says in a recent blog post on the Building Windows 8 site:

Using WOA “out of the box” will feel just like using Windows 8 on x86/64. You will sign in the same way. You will start and launch apps the same way. You will use the new Windows Store the same way. You will have access to the intrinsic capabilities of Windows, from the new Start screen and Metro style apps and Internet Explorer, to peripherals, and if you wish, the Windows desktop with tools like Windows File Explorer and desktop Internet Explorer.

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Website tracking and posting details of File Share

exomondo exomondo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "Website youhavedownloaded.com is publicly listing details of file sharers of select files from various file sharing websites as well as torrents. Currently it doesn't store timestamps so users with Dynamic IPs have deniability and naturally those behind a NAT gateway aren't individually identifiable from the outside. But will the *AAs consider implementing such a thing in the future?"
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Windows 8 Tablet UI Revealed

exomondo exomondo writes  |  more than 2 years ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "The Windows 8 Tablet UI has been revealed at D9, an obvious take on the 'Metro' UI from their Windows Phone 7 operating system, it looks as though a touch-based desktop 'window manager' sits atop standard Windows allowing it to run native applications as well as supporting HTML5 applications and 'Live Tiles'. It doesn't look overly mouse-friendly but it appears that Metro can be turned off for a classic Windows experience or turned on for a touch-friendly tablet experience. But will this end up a cobbled-together mess that sits 1/2 way between both?"
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Low-level iOS4.1 exploit discovered

exomondo exomondo writes  |  more than 3 years ago

exomondo (1725132) writes "It seems the exploit that could pave the way for an iOS4.1 Jailbreak has been discovered, and it's a low-level bug that — unlike the one used by the jailbreakme website — may be a little more difficult for Apple to patch.

The exploit in the boot ROM of iOS devices was first announced by iPhone Dev-Team member pod2g. It was soon confirmed by other hackers, who said that because the exploit targets such a low-level part of the operating system, Apple won't be able to stop jailbreakers without making significant hardware changes.

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