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Turing Test Passed

eyenot Wow, people are stupid. (432 comments)

I cast some pretty serious doubt onto the legitimacy of the claim that this machine passes a Turing Test, so much as the Turing Testers fail to be convincingly human.

Also, the robot went down much earlier than the appearance of this slashdot article, so for everybody saying the site got "slashdotted", hate to break your bubble but the world doesn't revolve around /.

http://gabrielapetrie.wordpres...

about 6 months ago
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Finnish Police Board Wants Justification For Wikipedia's Fundraising Campaign

eyenot Re:wikipedia (252 comments)

"In spades"? Really?

I think you say so prematurely.

Because I, for one, don't understand a FUCKING thing about allllllll of this Anti-Beta graffito all over Slashdot.

You stupid fucks are basically now Public Nuisance #1. It's gotten nothing done and it should get nothing done because any number of simple assholes shouldn't have any affect on any SYSOPs policies.

All you've managed to do is be a bunch of simpletons pissing off people who could give a fuck less how the site ends up looking as long as it serves its purpose. And the purpose of Slashdot isn't served by you assclowns bitching up and down every last mother fucking cascade.

You haven't made ANY point, you didn't HAVE any fucking point to begin with, and it's not old now -- it was fucking pointless and old to begin with.

Wait, I was wrong, it did change ONE fucking thing:

If it goes on much longer, it's going to change how much time I spend learning how to filter the bejesus out of crowds of moronic assclowns. If I have to "enemy" five, ten, a dozen idiots every visit to the threads just to make sure I don't have to see what is likely to become an infantile never ending fucking story, then I'll do that. All you're gauranteeing is that eventually you'll be completely fucking ignored.

I hope you have a shitty fucking day!

about 10 months ago
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Ask Slashdot: Why Are We Still Writing Text-Based Code?

eyenot answer: i dunno (876 comments)

"Why have graphical code generators that could seemingly open coding to the masses gone nowhere? At a minimum wouldn't that eliminate time dealing with syntax errors?"

Where is "nowhere"? Also, what are you referring to when you say "that"? I'm lost in parsing this sentence. And how does a graphical interface eliminate syntactical expressiveness and therefore the potential for syntactical error? Are you suggesting that a language is better off not having any combinations of operators that could potentially result in syntactical error, with everything parsed as equally valid?

"Shouldn't there be a simpler, more robust way to translate an algorithm into something a computer can understand? One that's language agnostic and without all the cryptic jargon? It seems we're still only one layer of abstraction from assembly code."

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. What cryptic jargon? Have you ever actually used assembly or ANSI-C ? They are pretty un-jargon as far as languages go. Jargon is higher-order language that is so built up on technical definitions defined recursively by further technical definitions, that the language is so specialized, that only a specialized segment of the population can understand it. Most mnemonics (which C for example is -- a mnemonic for assembly, albeit in modern versions accompanied by many helpful and useful tools on the side) ... most mnemonics are by definition easier to understand than jargon. And most programming languages are mnemonic in some way, shape, or form. When you say we're one layer of abstraction from assembly code, I'm not entirely clear whether you think that's good or bad, or if you're just cleverly trolling us all.

"I consider myself someone who 'gets code,' but I'm not a programmer. I enjoy thinking through algorithms and writing basic scripts, but I get bogged down in more complex code. Maybe I lack patience, but really, why are we still writing text based code?"

Everybody gets bogged down in more complex code. That's why there are numerous attempts at simplifying coding in general. Procedural code, functional-argument code, object-oriented programming, it's all an attempt to put more and more "ease of use" into the programmer's life.

These methods don't always work, period, let alone for everybody or even for all coders. The Java language is the current best case in point of this. Java shows what can go wrong with not only a programming language but any tool, or project, or system when it suffers from too many eggs in one basket -itis.

I myself suffered programming burnout at a young age. I had been programming since 8 years old but never quite "got" it, just inputting code from magazines (back when we still did that) and modifying strings and variables. I understood GOTO and GOSUB but still didn't grasp that these essentially put procedural programming in the hands of lined BASIC.

I remember when I met one BBS sysop when I was BBSing and SYSOPing in the early 90's, around the time I was 15 or 16. I had asked him for advice in programming this QBASIC thing I was making. I kept getting out of memory errors. And he said if the program is too big, I'm likely to get that particular error and he asked to see my program. Well, it was all lined code (which QBASIC still supported) and because I had no sense of procedure, what I had was an attempt to hard-wire the entire game including all of its choices.

Learning procedure and function was pretty amazing, but the same helpful SYSOP went further and started teaching me C++. So now I was learning pointers and references as variables, functions as arguments, and recursive programming. I started getting headaches, my head was actually physically overheating when I was programming, and I gave out. I didn't program anything from the age of 16 until about roughly 26 or so.

I approached returning to code with a fresh perspective. I wanted to learn 8086 assembly, but I didn't want to run an old DOS machine and learn old DOS conventions of assembly, I wanted to program for windows. So I looked into assembly for windows. There is one really great-sounding windows assembly language out there called SPASM, "Specific Assembler". It allows you to write and re-write your mnemonic in-line in the form of "macros". That's pretty extraordinary. And I also learned, sadly, that assembly in windows is brutal. A bare skeleton with a pop-up window and a close button is a pretty rich undertaking. I had looked into assembly with an urge to approach programming like building things out of wonderful, colorful LEGO blocks, and instead it was like I was being asked to perform liposuction on a morbidly obese bed patient, by scooping the fat out of the belly with my own bare hands, all to be performed with the recesses of a gaping red bedsore.

So, I learned C instead. There are always tough choices in programming. C is that "one layer away from assembly" that you describe, and there simply isn't a better language than C >>> IMHO .

Because I was able to shuffle away what would have been hours and hours, and weeks, and months, and years of getting the hang of coding the guts of assembly programs inside of the windows environment (although that would have been alleviated greatly, I suspect, through SPASM) and instead focus on things like programming logic and good coding practices, I was able to program better than I ever had when I was being tutored by somebody who today works north of Silicon Valley doing just about everything.

For instance, I used to plan programs in the GUI or inside of a text editor. What the hell good is that? Code planning calls for a nice large piece of blank paper or a big dry-erasable board, not the squished lines of a computer screen. And I used to just deal with the conventions of the GUI. Now I don't use a GUI unless it's highly configurable. One of the first things I did while learning C was make my own indentation rules. Just that act alone, working in a set indentation scheme fit to my own personal demands from then out, increased my learning and productivity by a very noticeable degree. Said Sililcon Valley friend, seeing it a couple of years later, was impressed enough to give it a try. That's highly effective programming across numerous levels. And where is the GUI or the mnemonic in any of that?

The use of the graphical environment isn't to "make programming easier". The "Main #1 Reason" for GUIs in coding is a tie between two things:

a) It fits the convention of what people most appreciate seeing on their screen. Even the Borland GUI back in the DOS days was glorified and fattened with a nice drop-menu user interface in text mode. Most of the popular DOS applications featured this semi-graphical text mode interface, so that's what was appreciated by users. It fit in with the rest of their computer use experience.

b) It makes code-management easier -- nothing to do with making coding itself easier at all. If you don't know how to program, a GUI is of no use at all. In fact, the GUI is probably going to be more of a distraction and a sort of bewildering architectural maze than it is of any help. I can't stand the idea of teaching college programming courses inside the GUI. There are some good (great?) instructors out there who teach the essentials in command-line interface and then expect the students to perform inside the GUI, but they are exceptions to the rule.

So, this argument you're making that there's something wrong with current trends in programming in general just because the GUI doesn't magically make programmers out of dimwits doesn't really hold water.

It's not about the GUI or about the mnemonic, especially when the best sort of language lets you rewrite the mnemonic in-line any way and in which case THAT language inside THAT program that THAT programmer is making would be THE MOST "jargon" programming language anybody could expect to find because it makes no sense outside of the program itself.

It's just about how you approach code and how coding is taught to you.

about 10 months ago
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Audience Jeers Contestant Who Uses Game Theory To Win At 'Jeopardy'

eyenot Re:I think his own comments about how he... (412 comments)

I've been watching the game since the 80's, and I can tell you that it's a very common strategy to bet low on the Daily Double if you don't feel like you're in mastery of the category. Even more common is to bet less money than would severely cripple your score against the score of the next player beneath you given the remaining board. So obviously your citation of the spirit of the game is, like most unwritten rules, largely in your head.

about 10 months ago
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Audience Jeers Contestant Who Uses Game Theory To Win At 'Jeopardy'

eyenot Re:He doesn't have to know the answer (412 comments)

It is fun for me because this is exactly how I played with my family and friends on numerous "at home" versions including computer and console software over the decades (and no, I didn't know all the answers -- it's just a good strategy). I like seeing the more intelligent player triumph and I hope this becomes how Jeopardy is played in the future -- the high-scoring brackets are desired foremost and the lower stuff is pigeon poop to be swooped up by the scavengers or stolen from their beaks. The programmers will have to change up where the Daily Doubles are located but this will not stop the trend of smarter or more confident players grabbing the higher scoring brackets sooner to keep them away from the others.

about 10 months ago
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Now On Video: GCHQ Destroying Laptop Full of Snowden Disclosures

eyenot Re:Herding wildcats in a burning barn.... (237 comments)

I personally am too old, broken down, and poor to start the needed coup, but will gladly join in if it ever happens.

Free Riders only serve to scuttle their political boats.

about a year ago
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Senator Makes NASA Complete $350 Million Testing Tower That It Will Never Use

eyenot Waste (342 comments)

The money would be put to much better use in somehow keeping Mississippians in Mississippi. I get tired of them moving up here to Michigan and spreading sprawl, crime, racism and ghetto trash culture.

about a year ago
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Finnish Hacker Isolates Helicopter GPS Coordinates From YouTube Video Sounds

eyenot ... okay? cool, but what? (163 comments)

In chemistry and physics courses you'll find you often do lab work not in discovery of new things but to prove things that are already known. It turns out to be pretty simple to do an experiment to prove that two related theories can be measurably shown to be not false, through some apparatus under some paradigm.

So this woman used existing knowledge of how GPS works, of audio modulated data, and a chase that she also apparently knew the location of, and showed that the location of the chase matches the location being communicated. Okay, so that's cool.

But what did she accomplish? I am, of course, asking this from the "how is this news" rostrum. It's a great proof of theory but what the hell does it have to do with anything?

Oh, wait. The elephant in the room. I see what's going on, here, you geeks got all fucked up in the head again because here comes another woman with skills.

A man who turns into putty for women isn't trustworthy, you know that? Strong women prey on those guys and they become security concerns.

If you can't treat women as equals, then all of your wowie-zowie about women "doing guy things" is empty. You're more self-impressed at other males than impressed at this woman's potential.

about a year ago
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The Human Body May Not Be Cut Out For Space

eyenot Re:Just create artificial gravity (267 comments)

So in other words, rotate the ship at regular intervals doing this acceleration and deceleration until you get to the end of the trip. It's the same two force vectors cut up into pieces and interleaved. The repeated turns would add to the overall cost but the same amount of fuel would be spent on the same two overall vectors of acceleration.

about a year ago
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It's Not Memory Loss - Older Minds May Just Be Fuller of Information

eyenot what's "interesting"? (206 comments)

What *I* find "interesting" is that even though old grandparents have always been saying things like "It's not that grandma's getting stupid, sweetie, it's just that when you're my age you know so much that it takes awhile to remember what you know", none of that matters if the newest generation hasn't climbed out of their dungeons to announce that they simulated the same thing on a computer. Relevance, anyone? Reverence, maybe?

about a year ago
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EU Secretly Plans To Put a Back Door In Every Car By 2020

eyenot compound words (364 comments)

At first I was like "hatchbacks are cool though" until I realized the article meant "backdoors".

about a year ago
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Electrical Engineering Lost 35,000 Jobs Last Year In the US

eyenot Re:Electrical != Electronic (397 comments)

The "subset" response from AC is total bullshit. Electrical Engineering and Electronic Engineering are two entirely different career fields. Idiot self-imposed know it all's like AC are who's behind the article for instance not knowing the damn difference. One's not a subset of the other, both are a subset for sure of engineering dealing with electricity but frankly I don't think you'll find any career fields that expect both skill sets from you. Having taken college courses in both, let me assure you, one's not a subset of the other and having a degree in both does mean taking two almost entirely separate degrees. The engineer planning a power station is not going to be prepared for the engineer planning transistor logic, and vice versa. The guy climbing a pole and the guy soldering a board are not going to be interchangeable.

about a year ago
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Electrical Engineering Lost 35,000 Jobs Last Year In the US

eyenot Wow, completely indecipherable. (397 comments)

Since neither the parent nor TFA seem to comprehend the difference between Electronic Engineering and Electrical Engineering, I have no idea WTF the article is even trying to say.

about a year ago
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Controversial Execution In Ohio Uses New Lethal Drug Combination

eyenot Re:Two things. (1038 comments)

As a proponent of the death penalty, I agree that this would be a tremendous step forward in penal death methodology. You wouldn't even need a hammer to smash the whole head, just restrain the head and piston a solid bar about three inches in diameter straight through from side to side.

about a year ago
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Controversial Execution In Ohio Uses New Lethal Drug Combination

eyenot go away, religion (1038 comments)

I don't think the admonishment should have been "one commandment you should abide by", rather it should have been "a moral you yourself obviously abide by".

You could attack the commenter's stance just by pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding murder in return for murder. Either murder's wrong, or it's not.

I think the situation is muddy enough, thanks, without the interjections of the religious.

about a year ago
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Neiman Marcus and Other Retailers Breached, Credit Card Details Stolen

eyenot Re:Time to overhaul the Credit Card system in the (151 comments)

PINs are sort of stupid in a retail setting, any way. The way most pads are set up, the other customers can clearly see what digits you're inputting, and voila, now they can use your card at any ATM.

Signatures are just as pointless. They don't prove anything unless you have a meticulous signature. People in general aren't that anal and unless you're Benjamin Franklin or some shit with a degree in calligraphy, the makeup of your signature fluctuates over time.

The US appears to be using a system that's outlived its usefulness.

about a year ago
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Neiman Marcus and Other Retailers Breached, Credit Card Details Stolen

eyenot Re:burn indeed (151 comments)

> "Have fun getting mugged"

Stupid on so many levels that I'm not even sure why you said it. Do you really go around your life worried that you're a target for mugging? Maybe you should put the fancy tablet away when you're hanging out in the ghetto. Honestly I don't know what to say to you, your response should be modded down for trolling.

As far as the liability is concerned, who cares? You're still in purchasing limbo until you straighten out a new card. "Have fun" waiting for the mail to arrive and going through the process of re-activating all of your cards and double-checking to make sure the bank didn't pull a fast one in the hub-bub. I personally have been a victim of skimming on several occasions so -- "have fun getting mugged online".

Ass.

about a year ago
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Neiman Marcus and Other Retailers Breached, Credit Card Details Stolen

eyenot Re:Time to overhaul the Credit Card system in the (151 comments)

What impact? Mom and pops aren't in charge of how the banking system runs. The efforts required to fix the problem don't "scale down" -- it's all up at the top with the people who hate parting with their hoarded money.

about a year ago
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Neiman Marcus and Other Retailers Breached, Credit Card Details Stolen

eyenot burn indeed (151 comments)

The companies don't wanna pay good money for real security, and they want to throw you behind bars if you go vigilante white-hat on them, so give up. I agree with another /.'er who stated yesterday about the news of the Australian white-hat kid: let 'em burn. If that means going cash, too, go cash.

Keeping everything consolidated on just one card doesn't hurt, either. If it's a debit card you can coal-load it. When you need to make purchases, tally them up first and then go deposit the money you'll need. Charge it back out online and what will the thiefs steal, if anything? Next to zero.

I've always been wary of internet business. I didn't start purchasing things online until literally just a couple of years ago, and that was some music-related art imports from Italy. This year is the first year I've made purchases on Amazon or Ebay. That about marks my limit, too. I have no reason to use anything else. I haven't even activated my newer Bank of America debit card since BoA changed to another bank.

At least with one card I only have one cancellation to take care of if some site I've used it on gets hacked.

about a year ago
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Australian Teen Reports SQL Injection Vulnerability, Company Calls Police

eyenot Re:Let them burn (287 comments)

Previous comment mentions using an anonymous drop to inform the relevant companies or newspapers. That is the most immediate solution, I would have to agree.

But I also wonder if anything would have been said or done about this vulnerability if there hadn't been a name or identity to target and make an example of?

(Example being, "don't get smart with us".)

I am starting to think that what you say is the best solution. If you find a system if vulnerable, perhaps it's best to withdraw your funds, close your account, deny all services, and stop doing business with the vulnerable. In this case, time to stop refreshing your name in their database and start buying your transit cards or tokens in person using cash. Cancel the card you used with them or report it stolen to get the card number associated with your account regenerated. Leaving something behind (address, phone number, mother's maiden name)? Make sure to change (scramble) your "account details" before jumping ship.

What good is being done any more by free-lance white-hatting or the old vanguard of "let the company know and when you get the inevitable silent treatment, tell the public"? It's being treated like "vigilantism" even though no real victimization is being perpetrated. It's only against the law because of either idiotic legislators or weird "new world order" style agendas.

Consider a company which would press charges against you for revealing their own vulnerability to them or for forcing the vulnerability into the open to get it fixed. We can easily say that's a company being run ignorantly. Consider a police department that would agree to handle those charges and throw you in the slammer in agreement with some lame law. Consider the obtuse lawmakers who gavel'd that idiot law into being. Consider the largely computer-illiterate -- nay, computer-superstitious -- population that regularly produces all of these idiots. Take all of that into consideration for a moment and ask:

Whom are you going to save, from what, for the benefit of whom, on behalf of whom, as an upstanding citizen of what exactly, and with what as your reward?

You're going to protect a moron company from "criminals", for the benefit of that moronic company lording it over a moronic population manhandled by a moronic police department, on behalf of said moronic police department (in their stead, on their behalf, same thing), as an upstanding citizen of a moronic state featuring a moronic population its moronic legislature passing moronic laws and the moronic police department that enforces those laws, and you're going to be branded a "criminal" and thrown in prison with a bunch of morons as a result.

So, maybe re-think the whole old-school, "for the betterment of civilization" style of white-hatting at all, for anybody, whatsoever. Whether you protect your identity, get thrown in jail, or get heard out and get to see your suggestions taken seriously and resulting in a more secure website, the people you are trying to "help" obviously:

(1) don't need it

(2) don't or can't truly appreciate it

(3) don't deserve it

Pick any combination of the 3, even having one of those 3 present in the relationship calls for an end to the relationship.

If they can't pay -- money, attention, time -- for real competent and intact security, let them get run over. Stop trying to "help". It's probably only contributing to the dumbing down of society, any way.

about a year ago

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John Woods, "Professor Falken", dies at 81

eyenot eyenot writes  |  more than 3 years ago

eyenot writes "Acclaimed English stage-actor John Wood, who we all probably know as "Professor Stephen Falken" from the 80's movie WarGames, died last Saturday at the age of 81."
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