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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin Re:free will is not a religious idea (87 comments)

i meant to type:

"no" is the answer, if you use current legal definitions of 'free will' (or concepts similar to in practice)

4 hours ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin Re:free will is not a religious idea (87 comments)

imagine a traditional computer running a fully-detailed simulation of a human brain. This simulation is an exact replica of a real human brain, and simulates every neuron, every chemical reaction, etc. It even simulates the quantum uncertainty effects at the finest level of detail.

Why would that simulation not evince "free will" (whatever that is)?

right...that is a good question

"no" is the answer, if you use legal definitions of 'free will' (or concepts similar to in practice)

"yes" is the answer if it really, truly is what you say...and we have a public debate about it and have a true democratic/legal decision...which even then would have limitations...it would be in a room on a university campus...what if we let it control a drone? whole different story...

look, we're just going to have to agree to disagree about how actually feasable what you describe really is...it's just so far out there...it really is, from an engineering and psychology perspective, about as likely as humans being able to travel across the whole universe and through time...it's that level...but again...we can agree to disagree

excellent thoughts, overall! very interesting and you have a good take on a lot of things

if what you describe ever really is even on the horizon and we see that it may be done, then, IMHO, we can have a reason to have this debate for real...it's interesting for sure, but idk if humans would even still be 'human' in an evolutionary sense by the time we could do what you describe

4 hours ago
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Statistician Creates Mathematical Model To Predict the Future of Game of Thrones

globaljustin Re:proof of hack writing (111 comments)

well, i'm not going to disagree...

We will only know if this thing is accurate when the new book comes out.

right

and he could be reading this thread, right now, taking notes

or, he could be in Thailand getting a massage while a team of writers crank out copy that GRRM just signs-off on

my example is Lost and Buffy the Vampire Slayer...both are examples of absolute hack writing that benefitted from using marketing tactics to create a cult fanbase

Joss Whedon admitted they would just improvise plot/story/dialogue on the spot in later seasons...they litterally just made it up as they went along...it's the ultimate in "hack" writing

Joss Whedon is a professional, i will grant him, but he still was a hack...same with Lost...they replace "fan service" with plot, storytelling, character development, world building, and meaningful action

so i guess this is me admitting that this is too complex a topic to make one general statement about

5 hours ago
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Statistician Creates Mathematical Model To Predict the Future of Game of Thrones

globaljustin proof of hack writing (111 comments)

I like TFA, it is interesting and his methods are applicable to alot of different fields, for example: alot of music producers (particularly of pop music) have *very* sharply defined parameters for beats per minute (BPM) and timing of the 'hook' or chorus/refrain part of the song. I could see reversing this algorithm with a bank of keywords to plug in...basically hack writing that is automated

I do not think this is evidence that "machines can replace human writers"...

I think this is evidence that GoT is formulaic hack writing...writing so predictable a dumb machine with the right algorithm can nail it!

Now, this may start of conversation of "sheeple will consume anything" and that's another conversation...but yeah...I see this as one human using an algorithm to prove another is a hack writer...very interesting

11 hours ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin Re:free will is not a religious idea (87 comments)

ha!

that's quite a few questions

so, maybe i can answer all by falsifying my argument...

the human brain does work *somehow*...IMHO we have really only just scratched the surface...really...and i hope we can agree that the whole singularity notion that because of some unscientific conjecture about processor speed that 'ai' is predictable is nonsense...

that said, i have to admit that theoretically the human mind works and is a system and therefore can (and this is very far-flung...pure conjecture) be constructed

i'm talking about Commander Data...

in my line of thinking, a Commander Data type creation would *not* be human...would be 'ai'...but would be allowed to be given rights similar to humans

it would be a **new third category** and we would confer rights on it the same way we confer rights on ourselves ;) by democracy

look, even in this far-flung, completely fictional but theoretically possible scenario, the Commander Data is so complex that in the fictional narrative, the character is depicted as being impossible to re-create...virtually impossible anyway

my point is, to falsify my point you have to reach beyond any possible logic to pure fiction, where it all kind of breaks down

it is like having faster-than-light propulsion...the Albecurre Drive is an absolutely tantalizing theoretical possiblity, and people are giving it a serious look...but even then...best case scenario...humans will never explore **other galaxies**...there are just too many too far apart to explore given the time they take to change in their life cycle

it is not 'irriducable complexity' but until we meet a higher intelligence than ourselves it may be unquantifiable no matter what...our minds like the universe itself...yet totally in every humans' reach! all kinds of idiots make new humans every day!

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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin human learning (87 comments)

also, you may want to brush up on your education theory, because it's made leaps and bounds in the last 15 years, incorporating the exact same neuroscience that AI learning tries to use

i got an MA in Education from CU-Boulder in 2007...don't teach now, but i was genuinely impressed with how teaching has advanced as a profession

i also taught snowboarding for 6 seasons...applying the "Facilitated Learning Model" and was developed by...wait for it...education theorists at CU-Boulder

Vygotsky and Csikszentmmihalyi formed the basis for the Facilitated Learning Model (which is more a application of theory for the classroom)...it makes a distinction between memorizing a list and learning

The "learning" happens in what Vygotsky called the "Zone of Proximal Development"

The facilitated learning model is the act of strategically placing instrisically motivated individual autonomous actors into positions where a teacher can model behavior while simultaneously reacting to the differing needs of each individual learner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z...

the point is, human learning has advanced much...based on russian theorists who operated from the idea that humans have free will and that education is facilitating the learning that happens when one human is in the zone of proximal development

i admit, applying these theories to machine programming opens some intersting possibilities, but again, it's an adaptation to a command executed by a machine that **mimics** the behavior we see in humans in a machine for a specific task...in other words, yes, maybe we can use these theories to program better machines, but the act of doing so proves what i'm saying...machines are fundamentally different than humans

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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin "obvious" and consent (87 comments)

hey thanks for the comments

You seem to be implying that humans somehow learn differently than programs because the program is "programmed" and we're not. Do you have anything to support that assertion, besides "it's blatantly obvious to anyone with technical experience?" There's fairly good evidence that we've been "programmed" very effectively, and quite beyond what most of us would like to believe, by evolution.

now...what kind of evidence could I present that would satisfy your need?

if i had access, i could take Watson or another well known AI and show you the logic schematics then show you the codebase, then demonstrate how changing the codebase changes how Watson (or w/e) behaves with highly predictable results. I could have the engineers who made Watson walk you through their entire development process, and at each point of decision, explain to you how the decision effects how it works...

or, would you prefer some kind of academic study? i honestly don't know if such a study could even logically exist...my assertion are not provable -or- disprovable in that way

it's about having done the work of making a machine function...that's the experience/knowledge that i feel makes my assertion 'obvious'

now, humans being "programmed"...

i feel i know a bit too much about this...but yes, you can use technology, like chemistry or electricity or other E-M stuff, to alter human behavior

3 shots of whiskey or a 100K Volt cattle prod or some GHB...all can be said to "program" human behavior

the key here is consent...one human can "program" or control another but if it is without consent then it is abuse!

yesterday
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin free will is not a religious idea (87 comments)

What you're saying is fundamentally religious

absolutely not...you've been reading too much Richard Dawkins...put his books down forever he's a troll on academia

**secular humanism** also holds to this same essentially...

"every human is unique in the universe and has free will...no machine will ever have these characteristics"

not the last part about machines, but the free will aspect of human existence is **NOT TIED TO RELIGION**

here is the UN declaration of human rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...

it is not religious in nature at all

that said, thanks for your insightful comments!

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My toy collection is ...

globaljustin childhood toy (176 comments)

i took it to mean child-oriented toys that we kept into adulthood...or children's toys we...ahem...purchase in adulthood

in a sense, anything not necessary for survival is a 'toy'...

i still have some model rockets I made, a really old teddy bear, a few odd legos, and a box of micro-machines i made to look like Mad Max vehicles...some other random stuff...but that's actually in storage at my parent's house

we gave away things like star wars and transformers when i was about 13 or so (kept my comics and baseball cards at least!)

2 days ago
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Marc Merlin's 2014 Burning Man Report For Tech Geeks

globaljustin might be (54 comments)

I know lots of people who go, but have no desire to go myself.

that part...

seriously...this was in '97 and we had a campus-wide ethernet with Pentiums in every dorm room...so the LAN battles in warcraft, quake, and starcraft were epic...so there was a reason

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Marc Merlin's 2014 Burning Man Report For Tech Geeks

globaljustin nice pics (54 comments)

TFA is great...it's what *I* would want to see...i have burner friends and they always show me 200 pictures of their little group in the same areas...nothing that shows a general survey of what is happening

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Marc Merlin's 2014 Burning Man Report For Tech Geeks

globaljustin is climate the reason? (54 comments)

I know lots of people who go, but have no desire to go myself.

ha! this reminds me of freshmen year as an Electrical Engineering student (changed my major before classes formally began...yes, that fast)

i was friends with all EE and ME's b/c they put me in a dorm with a bunch of them (close to the Engineering Bldg) and also I was ROTC

every Friday night, "Hey guys, let's go do X"...and often heard the above quoted text in response

TFA is a good write up...I've never been myself, but i've camped in deserts, done psychadelics, been to a huge hippie festival...just not at the same time and for alot less money and hassle...i have friends who are "burners"

if you are at all interested, have another look at TFA, talk to some friends or whatever and if you're still curious and can afford it, go!

2 days ago
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Marc Merlin's 2014 Burning Man Report For Tech Geeks

globaljustin i heard that Burning Man... (54 comments)

someone told me that DARPA types test out their latest mind control E-M gadgetry at Burning Man...

but to be more on-topic, Burning Man might be a good experience for a "geek"...

forget all the nonsense 'gift economy' techno-hippie blah blah...it's a bunch of artists, weird academics, ravers, drug experimenters, *rich people* who want to pretend to be those things at a high per-day cost, and of course creepers looking to scam or take advantage of people

it's camping in the desert with 60,000 people

now, in my observation, if you ask a typical burner "What is Burning Man all about?" you'll see an interesting linguistic phenomenon: recursive language ontology

the answer to the question is (all too often) not a fact or statement...the answer to "What is Burning Man all about?" is in part **the act of explaining the experience in a mystical, mysterious way**

it's the status of having been there, to say that you know what it's about, not the act of doing drugs or camping or looking at desert art

behold: http://www.burningman.com/what...

now, that said...if you're curious, GO FOR IT!

just do your thing and enjoy the nonsense for what it is...there is some really cool art and tech on display

2 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin Re:machine learning is optimization (87 comments)

the idea is it's blatantly obvious to anyone with technical experience

however, i'd like to continue if you are, so tell me, what is acceptable "support" for that position?

remember, you quoted one phrase, but it was part of a larger conversation that started about machine vision...which I was told was an example of machines learning a new skill...which I disagreed with

it will probably be helpful for one of us to define "human learning" if we're going to really do this...i'll let you make the call

3 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin 'teh singularity' (87 comments)

Once we do know how human learning works, we will be able to program machines to learn the same way.

this whole ontology, it's not science or engineering...it's language tricks to make us humans feel like we've accomplished something when really it's just coding...

'ai' is code...code written by humans

also, there is no specific line where we can say "we've learned everything about how humans learn"...you can't have a black/white dichotomy with an abstract idea like "learning"

"learning" is different to every human and always will be...every human is unique in the universe and has free will...no machine will ever have these characteristics...only the characteristics we linguistically ascribe to machine behavior that is ***entirely*** dependent and predictable by the human coding that instructs it

3 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin human learning for you (87 comments)

there is no "singularity"...humans are unique and have free will and civil rights...we are always dynamic and each human learns differently...

also, we understand alot about how humans learn...there are whole fields of inquiry in academia and professions devoted to it...you may have even met one of these people when you attended school...they study people like Vygotsky now...and integrate neuroscience into their learning models

the same neuroscience we programmers use to model computer architecture

humans are different from machines and always will be...there is no correlation between processor speed and 'AI' advancement towards being "like human"...you're reading too much sci-fi

3 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin engineering not linguistics (87 comments)

the distinction is between a computer program that can play any game with a priori knowledge of the rules of the game....versus a program that has no programmed prior knowledge of the rules beyond what a score is, even if image recognition is removed. The latter is not simpler either.

again, misquoting me and using linguistics to make your case not engineering

the behavior you describe, a computer doing a task without 'a priori knowledge' is "machine learning"

my point, which you ignore, is that "play any game without 'a priori knowledge' is ***the computer running code*** that some dumb monkey ***programed** according to parameters

it's all coding...it's not "intelligence" and you're purposefully inventing linguistic distinctions to keep arguing

3 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin simple hard nonsense (87 comments)

Your reply here doesn't address the criticism at all that very general algorithms that have to both determine the rules and then optimize them is a lot less explored than image recognition.

this is nonsense

you mention "determine rules" which is part of the "machine learning" linguistic contextualization

that's what my post was about...how every behavior that is called "machine learning" including when this particular machine determined the rules of this game, it was not in any way like "learning" that humans do...it is cod....well go back and read my post again it's all there

some dumb monkey had to tell that machine the parameters and conditions by which it contextualizes what is happening in the game

also, this annoys me to no end...not the least because I tried to assiduously avoid this predictable logic error/troll tactic...you said:

and implied that the rest was trivial

see, i anticipated people taking my criticism to the litteral extreme, just as you did...that's why I specifically took the time to type this in my comment:

from a complexity standpoint, think of the AI from a new P2P shooter's level of complexity vs a ghost in PacMan....again, making a robot arm to press buttons and move a joystick surely isn't "easy" but it is *simple* behavior for robotics programming

I did *not* imply that at all. As I explained in the above quoted text, it's simple vs complex, not "easy vs hard"...i know it may seem like a complex distinction at first but if you think about it, it's pretty easy to understand

4 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin machine learning is optimization (87 comments)

"machine learning" is the same as every other machine behavior: it is the product of coding instructions from humans

i don't have a problem with the language, but it's not the same as "human learning" at all

when people say a machine "learned" what they really mean is that its optimization algorithm did its programmed task effectively

"learning" = optimization over time based on parameters set by humans

4 days ago
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Artificial General Intelligence That Plays Video Games: How Did DeepMind Do It?

globaljustin vision is the only thing (87 comments)

hey...i came to the exact opposite conclusion as you...my comment is above you can check it out and tell me what you think

4 days ago

Submissions

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"Canvas Fingerprinting" Online Tracking Difficult To Block

globaljustin globaljustin writes  |  about 2 months ago

globaljustin (574257) writes "First documented in a forthcoming paper by researchers at Princeton University and KU Leuven University in Belgium, this type of tracking, called canvas fingerprinting, works by instructing the visitor’s Web browser to draw a hidden image. Because each computer draws the image slightly differently, the images can be used to assign each user’s device a number that uniquely identifies it.

[The] fingerprints are unusually hard to block: They can’t be prevented by using standard Web browser privacy settings or using anti-tracking tools such as AdBlock Plus.

The researchers found canvas fingerprinting computer code, primarily written by a company called AddThis, on 5 percent of the top 100,000 websites."

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Rappers & actors invest in Coinbase, Bitcoin

globaljustin globaljustin writes  |  about 9 months ago

globaljustin (574257) writes ""According to Pando , Nas and partners have invested in Coinbase, a company that lets you buy and store Bitcoin.

CBS Local reports that Childish Gambino (otherwise known as Donald Glover from Community) are believers. Glover seems to think we're still on the gold standard and that it should be replaced with Bitcoins..."

So...is this good for Bitcoin?"

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Obama Directs FCC to Mandate All Cell Phones Be Unlocked

globaljustin globaljustin writes  |  1 year,12 days

globaljustin (574257) writes ""Several months after calling for legislation to unlock cellphones, the White House filed a petition with the Federal Communications Commission on Tuesday asking that all wireless carriers be required to unlock all mobile devices so that users can easily switch between carriers."

This move should be met with universal acclaim from cell phone users, right?"

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Bill Proposes Database of Offenders to Aid Dating

globaljustin globaljustin writes  |  more than 6 years ago

globaljustin (574257) writes "A California state bill would create an online database open to the public of men and women convicted of domestic violence in California.

"If you're online, Googling and looking for information on someone you met in a bar or on MySpace, this would provide a tool for people to go and look to see if someone who is suspicious and a little creepy has a history of violence," said Assemblywoman Fiona Ma, who introduced the bill.

Also reported by the New York Times and GCN"

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Journals

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cybernetics in the 3rd order

globaljustin globaljustin writes  |  about a year ago

This is my first journal entry.

I will chronicle my scientific and business related endeavors.

My business approach uses Cybernetics.

What do I mean by Cybernetic Approach:

A 'cybernetic' approach to problem solving and decision making is a way of contextualizing and processing decisions.

Cybernetics is, roughly, the study of how humans interact with systems. What makes the approach useful is the trans-disciplinary connotations of the word 'systems'

Everything is a system! Nature is a system, your face is a system, a soufflé is a system, a beer in your glass is a system, a crowd of people is a system, this website you're reading is a system...

Everything!

It might seem reductive...'of course it's a 'system'...that tells me nothing' you might say...however this contextualization puts everything we observe into a systemic context, which guides how we progress.

So that is a bit of theory about cybernetic systems. Now, the **application** of that systemic approach is where cybernetics really shines, and IMHO shows that it is the most fit method of inquiry.

Cybernetics is **applied** trans-diciplinarily as well. No application of a action to control a system is out of bounds. ALL methods and means are used to capacity as needed.

ex: writing a 'novel'...

there are many approaches to writing a novel, some authors I've read will sit and type out a book they like as a way to get the feeling of doing the work...others like seclusion...it's up to the writer...the writer **chooses** at several decision nodes exactly how the novel will be

choices, multifactor analysis, nonquantifiable data, decision nodes...this is something a cybernetic approach can assist

if an author was truly taking a 'cybernetic' approach to the decision making process of writing a novel, she would use **every** style and genre as it fit the needs of communication

nothing is out of bounds, and indeed, by design, all possible methods are not only 'in bounds' but the method requires using all of them (or at least the possibility that any might be used)

ex: choice of narration style. will this novel have a narrator? will the narrator be a 3rd person omniscient? will they be a character in the story who is 'telling' the story to the reader? will they be a reliable narrator?

"yes" is the cybernetic answer...

communicating the message to the reader is the single most important factor...full expression...

cybernetics gives us the freedom to choose any tool we like to accomplish our goal, as long as...it accomplishes the goal

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