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Israel, Palestine Wage Web War

hnile_jablko Re:Coherent plan vs. terrorism (951 comments)

They are not trying to kill all the Jews. They are trying to get rid of an oppressor and invader.

Here is my take on the conflict as someone born and raised in America:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1082225&cid=26354409


Should you or anyone consider responding to my brief take on the issue above consider the following: I have read extensively into the history of Palestine/Israel since well before British rule and until now, so please do not insult me with a response about needing to do some investigations. I have done a lot on my own to overcome the media and political bias dominant in the US regarding Israel. Do not ask for the entire list of books I have read because I am also immune to the ridiculous attempts to discredit them by all sorts of people. I am not an anti-Semite so do not accuse me of this. I was introduced to different perspective than what we have been spoon fed in the US about Isreal and the Palestinian savages by a Jewish friend in Australia. And so I began to think I need to learn more so I did. The places I got my knowledge are not wrong or propganda. They are academic endeavors into the history of the region layered with various memoirs and essays on the subject written by persons from many sides of the conflict (Zionists, anti-Semites, journalists and Jews troubled by a Zionism they feel has betrayed what they were taught). So if you wish to debate with me about this, do not insult me with glib comments about my lack of understanding or generalised assessments of me.

more than 5 years ago
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Israel, Palestine Wage Web War

hnile_jablko Re:If only... (951 comments)

The palestinians elected a government that will hurt its neighbours and put their kids in the line of return fire. They got exactly what they asked for. Their own kids, dead.

One of Israels leaders said once that Israel will have peace with its neighbours the day they love their children more than they hate Israel. Egypt and Jordan wisened up. The palestinians haven't yet.


Your comments above are a bit lopsided.

Palestinians sit in a very different position than Egypt and Syria. The latter are countries which border Israel and have standing armies. Palestinians are a group of people living within Israel's international border (note that the Paelstinian territory is NOT a country). Through the 1920's, Jews and Palestinians lived relatively peaceful co-existence in Palestine under British Rule (where the Jewish Population was roughly 10%). There were some sporadic nutjobs on all 3 sides of the religious line (Jew, Christian and Muslim) terrorising the other, but these events were rare and generally dimissed by all as idiots.

Then Hitler came to power in 1933 and things really shifted. Suddenly the war is over and the country is flooded with Jews and Zionism really has a firm hold. Palestinians fear the rising Jewish population will take what little they have and marginalise them and the Jews are wanting a safe place to call their own which sadly will have to be at the expense of another group of people.

I was born in 1970 in the US in the state of Missouri and raised a Catholic. If the same thing happened in 1948 in Missouri as has happened in Palestine, I can assure you that nearly every Missourian would be supporting or doing EXACTLY what the Palestinians are doing and probably worse. I would do whatever it took to get rid of the people who took my grandparents home, or killed a family member or neighbor and made me live under apartheid like rules (limited travel capabilites, held in prison with prosecution or access to a lawyer, branded a terrorist for resisting, etc).

Make no mistake. There is a right and wrong position in this. The right are the ones trying to gain their dignity and fight for what was once theirs and the wrong are the ones who moved in and took it. Think long and hard about if someone were doing to you what Israel has and is doing to the Palestinians. They are not savages or terrorists. They are fighting for what was taken from them.

more than 5 years ago
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In the next 12 months, the Middle East will be ...

hnile_jablko Re:the children if Ishmael (1067 comments)

I think the parent was referring to Muslim Palestinians as Islamofacists, which is quite accurate indeed.

You are branding every Muslim Palestinian as an Islamofascist. How many Palestinians have you met? I know 5 reasonably well having met them in the UK, Spain and here in Australia. Not one of them is as hard core as you would like to believe.

It's interesting to note that not a single Islamic nation has offered refuge for Palestinians. Why haven't their peace loving brothers welcomed any Palestinian refugees ? Because they figure that they're better off without them. They'd much rather use them as fodder in their perpetual war with Israel. So much for the brotherhood of Islam.

Jordan. My friend Maher and is family were accepted and made Jordanian citizens fleeing Israel. He told me that this is not a rare thing.

In the end, why should Arab countries take in refugees from Israel. Why doesnt Israel give back the land they forceully took from its inhabitants when they raised an army to form a country which now has a population of second class citizens forcably living under the rule of a race who sees them as less than human? And when those people fight back, they are labelled terrorists. Under the circumstances, I doubt any of us would be doing anything much different than the Palestinians.

more than 5 years ago
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Discuss the US Presidential Election & Health Care

hnile_jablko Re:Misconception (1270 comments)

Further to this, the NHS has developed an online booking system for booking specialised appointments. If the dermatologists within 1 mile are all booked for a month, you can get in tomorrow anywhere else you want if you are willing to drive. There are far too many myths in the US about how this or that is broken in the UK or other socialised systems. And those myths breed, survive and or are propogated on purpose. Its unbelievable how much people will eat it up.

more than 5 years ago

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Dire warnings of animal-human hybrids?

hnile_jablko hnile_jablko writes  |  more than 6 years ago

hnile_jablko (862946) writes "A group in Queensland is reacting to stem cell research law passed recently. From TFA:

QUEENSLAND MPs have been conned into passing new stem cell research laws which put the state on the slippery slope towards human-animal hybrids, right-to-life campaigners say. Queensland MPs, who were given a conscience vote, last night voted 48 to 34 to allow the controversial research to go ahead under strict conditions. Victoria and NSW have already passed similar laws, which mirror those passed by the federal parliament in April this year.
Here is the source article from news.com.au"
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Is balance debate about Israel possible?

hnile_jablko hnile_jablko writes  |  more than 6 years ago

hnile_jablko (862946) writes "Born and raised in the US, I was never introduced to the other side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; the Palestinian perspective. For reasons I dare not qualify, I felt no reason to question the mainstream media narrative that Palestinians are terrorists and Israeli's are victims to this terror and must protect themselves. When I left the US just over 6 years ago to move to Sydney, Australia, I was introduced to the possibility that there is another side to this conflict. Shortly thereafter, I realised, I had never read anything other than US media or spoken to a Jewish friend about Israel. I was biased. Since then I have read copious books on the subject starting with How was Israel Won to Ben Cramer's How Israel Lost and others about 'the conflict'. Consequently, I have become more balanced -I believe- in my opinion. As such, I feel that Israel should be held more accountable and that the word apartheid is fairly accurate to describe the conditions for Palestinians. This has posed a problem in that I am now branded anti-Semitic and little dialogue takes place as a result. Some people cannot seem to separate criticism of a Israel (a Jewish state) from Jewish people. More recently, I have read Antony Loewensteain's My Israel Question. Loewenstien's book deals largely with the media and Jewish communities attack on critics of Israel in Australia and the US, as well as the government lobbies within these countries and how they affect Israeli policy. Considering the vitriol critics of Israel receive, even if they are Jewish(see Loewenstein and Finklestein), will it be possible for a mainstream balanced dialogue and debate (publicly and in government) about the realities of both groups in the Israeli-Palestinian "conflict"? And what will it take to make such a dialogue happen?"

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