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Creationist Bets $10k In Proposed Literal Interpretation of Genesis Debate

mario_grgic Re:Not so trivial. (1121 comments)

Somehow you still manage to miss the point. Today with modern technology you can make exact copy. There is no such thing as exact translation on the other hand. I speak several foreign languages and I can easily think of several sentences in each that can not be translated into say English. You can write an entire page explaining the original, but the English speaker is still going to be robbed of something without actually learning the original language.

So, back to your point about "original" Greek text. You can claim the translation is 97% correct, what ever that means, but how correct is the Greek text the translation is based on? How removed from the actual first bible is it? When you actually take a look at that you will see that "original" Greek is actually centuries from the first copy ever written. And the first copy does not exist any more so nothing to compare it with.

So having a 100% correct copy of corrupt oldest now available copy is a useless metric. Besides all that, we know bible is full allegory (compelling case can be made that entire Jesus myth is allegory taken literally and later embellished by trying to insert it into history. See for example http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm), so taking allegory literally is just idiotic.

about a year and a half ago
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Creationist Bets $10k In Proposed Literal Interpretation of Genesis Debate

mario_grgic Re:Not so trivial. (1121 comments)

That's a really poorly researched argument. First of all we are not talking about the new testament here, but Genesis. And even then, the oldest known fragments of the new testament are centuries after the purported events took place. But that's beside the point. If you really care take a look at say Prof. Bart Ehrman's lecture (he is a new testament scholar at Chapel Hill) on this:

http://youtu.be/-QPA7hnbTM4

The Bible and the new testament in particular are full of errors, choice insertions and contradictions and deviations. Any attempt at literal understanding of the text is just silly at that point.

about a year and a half ago
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Creationist Bets $10k In Proposed Literal Interpretation of Genesis Debate

mario_grgic This is trivial. (1121 comments)

The bible can't be literally true because it has been copied (manually by scribes) so many times and each copy introduced random mutations. If you add translation into the mix all bets are off. This is why we now have thousands of versions of the "same" texts and verses and different versions can have meaning that is quite different from other instances in the same language, let alone if you add multiple languages into the mix. So, which exact version/copy are we disproving? And why that version and not some other?

This is also a good argument that god is quite stupid and incompetent (and therefore not omniscient), first to leave it to chance which religion you get indoctrinated into (strongly correlated with where you were born), and second all you have is fallible text about him, so fallible that it is meaningless and open to contradictory interpretations.

But all this is quite consistent with idea that religion and gods are man made.

about a year and a half ago
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Turkey's Science Research Council Stops Publication of Evolution Books

mario_grgic They are just catching up... (444 comments)

with the advancements we have achieved in the USA.

about a year and a half ago
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Mozilla Details How Old Plugins Will Be Blocked In Firefox 17

mario_grgic Re:Yet another reason to dump FF (152 comments)

How is this not making the browser more secure? Firefox is already pretty damn fast. Last 3-4 releases have consistently reduced browser and extension memory usage as well (it was never a concern for me personally, all systems I use have over 10 GB of RAM anyway). And this change only mitigates the third party risk in a least intrusive way possible. I say go Mozilla. Firefox is still very competitive and in my opinion the best browser out there. This is why I still use it. In fact I can't imagine using anything else without Pentadactyl extension.

about 2 years ago
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OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) Won't Support Some 64-bit Macs With Older GPUs

mario_grgic Re:Just buy new hardware! (NOT) (417 comments)

I don't see anything in Mountain Lion that restores Expose and Spaces functionality? What exactly are you referring to?

more than 2 years ago
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Light Table IDE Finds Funding Success

mario_grgic Re:Light Table - Why it's Cool (94 comments)

I can't believe that to be true. Even vi will give you auto complete out of the box and there are even better auto complete vi plugins for Python out there.

more than 2 years ago
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Windows RT Browser Restrictions Draw Antitrust Attention

mario_grgic Re:Where's the one on Apple? (375 comments)

Actually, you are completely wrong. Also, no one is asking for permission to "replace" Safari engine, just to install another one and give user a choice. All browsers for iOS devices on the App Store use WebKit (Safari) engine and they just provide different UI around it. But if something doesn't render (work) in Safari, it won't work in any other browser. The only exception is Opera Mini which renders content on the server and then sends the rendered content to the browser on iOS device. In this regard Apple is way worse than Microsoft ever was. Now Microsoft is playing catchup in evil practices that Apple got away with so easily.

more than 2 years ago
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Dell Designing Developer Oriented Laptop

mario_grgic Keyboard and screen (399 comments)

I want standard US keyboard layout with only one thing written on each key, I want high resolution screen (130 DPI and over). I can't buy a PC laptop because none of them have good keyboard and every key has 5 things written on it and for some reason in Canada ALL keyboards have stupid layout where left shift key is split and \ placed next to z. All keys programmers use all the time like brackets, semicolon etc keys are at non-standard locations. Enter key is split and weirdly shaped. I pretty much have to buy Mac and then install whatever OS I want on it just because PC hardware is getting hideously unusable.

more than 2 years ago
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Ask Slashdot: What Language Should a Former Coder Dig Into?

mario_grgic Facebook and PHP... (530 comments)

Facebook uses in house compiler that translates their PHP code to highly optimized C++, which is then compiled to native code. I would not call that PHP.

more than 2 years ago
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Mozilla Ponders Major Firefox UI Refresh

mario_grgic Re:The beauty of Open Source. (282 comments)

Chrome is hardly a better. Until it has pentadactyl and adblock plus (that actually doesn't download blocked content first and then discard it on the client after the fact) it's really useless to me.

more than 2 years ago
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TSA Defends Pat Down of 4-Year-Old Girl

mario_grgic Re:Stupid (1174 comments)

That's easy to solve. Just put a checkpoint in every American's house.

more than 2 years ago
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New Targeted Mac OS X Trojan Requires No User Interaction

mario_grgic Re:Missing from summary (322 comments)

Sure, I never said patch for Windows version was not released. But not everyone has patched it. Esp. since I know a lot of people that turn automatic java updates off.

more than 2 years ago
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New Targeted Mac OS X Trojan Requires No User Interaction

mario_grgic Re:Missing from summary (322 comments)

Funny thing is this Java Runtime vulnerability is also present in the Windows version of Java, and it can be exploited just as easily.

more than 2 years ago
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Magical Thinking Is Good For You

mario_grgic Re:Those who never believe in "Magic" ... (467 comments)

I don't have to be deluded or believe in sky carpenter, gods etc to be spiritual or enjoy transcendent experiences, to be in awe of majesty and beauty, to feel love, to experience "magical moments". In fact they come all the time and I appreciate them even more knowing universe wasn't made just for me, and creator of the universe is not my personal buddy. It would take away from magic of the moment if I did believe that.

more than 2 years ago
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Detecting Chess Cheats Taxes Computers

mario_grgic Re:No human can play a decent game of chess (159 comments)

There are more possible moves in chess, than there are atoms in the visible universe. You can't physically make large enough memory storage to store all the moves even if you had all the atoms in the universe at your disposal.

more than 2 years ago
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Lawsuit Claims NASA Specialist Was Fired Over Intelligent Design Belief

mario_grgic Re:I guess they would never have hired (743 comments)

Do you actually have any evidence for any of your claims? Do you know who wrote the new testament? And in the end it completely does not matter. No amount of textual evidence can ever prove existence of god, Jesus, his resurrection (nor does his resurrection prove his teachings are right).

But since you say you are a christian, care to explain why? Why aren't you a Muslim or a Jewish for example? What evidence made you a christian? Care to show it to us?

Did god create the earth and the universe? Did god create humans? In the present form? Does the sun move around the earth (it says in the bible it does, and even more god paused the sun's motion around the earth so a certain person could finish its work)? Etc? Any physical or metaphysical claim made by religion is false. Are you willing to look at the evidence or are you going to remain willfully ignorant?

more than 2 years ago
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Lawsuit Claims NASA Specialist Was Fired Over Intelligent Design Belief

mario_grgic Re:I guess they would never have hired (743 comments)

Sure, asking for evidence is "weak" argument. All I'm saying is we have plenty of evidence religion and god is man made, and plenty of science to explain how life and the universe can come about without supernatural involvement. Even Occam in 1300s CE England could figure it out before we knew any of the science.

What value are you getting out of clinging to the explanations that come from infancy of our species? Why aren't you confident enough in your faith to recognize it for what it is? Why can't you say, this is my faith, and I believe it despite the lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary. Why do the people who reject reason and evidence based reasoning still try to find some evidence and justification for their irrational beliefs?

more than 2 years ago
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Lawsuit Claims NASA Specialist Was Fired Over Intelligent Design Belief

mario_grgic Re:I guess they would never have hired (743 comments)

Atheism is the default position. You were born an atheist and had to be indoctrinated into a religion. Which one depends largely on where you were born (as I pointed out before). So, if you claim that you know something that the rest of us don't the onus of proof is on the side that makes the claim (see Celestial Teapot argument for more).

Besides it all comes down to some human mammal claiming to know the mind of god. They know precisely what god wants us to do, what he wants us to eat, on what days, who we may sleep with and in what position. Sorry, but some of us demand extraordinary evidence for such extra ordinary claims. Yet no evidence of any kind if offered.

You strike me as someone who never examined any of the arguments against your position. You do realize that bible is completely non-reliable non-historical, self contradictory text when it comes to crucial points, let alone minor ones. If you really care about that read something like "Jesus Interrupted" by a new testament professor at Chapel Hill. He does into much more detail than I can here. But suffice to say that there is absolutely no historical evidence that historical Jesus existed at all, the first historical reference occurs in first century CE but not directly to Jesus, but Chrestians, presumed followers of Chrestus. The earliest gospel was written in 70 CE at the earliest, and it was not written by any eye witness (it even says so itself). The others came much later. The mythical Jesus was made into a god much much later in 325 CE at the prompting of emperor Constantine who wanted to unify the empire and have one empire religion. At his prompting council of Nicea convened and created trinity and make Jesus into god incarnate. The rest is as they say history. All other religions were outlawed, evidence of their existence often destroyed, and this single minded culture and sense of entitlement continues to this day

But the biggest thing going against it is the required belief itself. We are all supposed to believe that god impregnated his virgin mother in order that he could die on the cross for what he condemned the humanity to and so he could make himself forgive the transgressions he invented, performed by the beings created in his own image. And his followers are required to eat his flesh, soul and divinity in a form of a cookie which magically turns into him after a few incantations. All that so that we could join him one day in a celestial North Korea, praising the dear leader incessantly, compelled to love someone we fear (essence of sadomasochism).

I am really glad there is no evidence for any of this, because wishing this to be true is wishing to live under dictatorship, wishing to be a slave really.

more than 2 years ago
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Lawsuit Claims NASA Specialist Was Fired Over Intelligent Design Belief

mario_grgic Re:I guess they would never have hired (743 comments)

Do you really need some bibliography listed here? How about you take good math foundations, then learn about scientific method, then learn about quantum theory, then see how physical chemistry and atom theory follows from quantum theory, then go to organic chemistry, chemical bond theory, then learn about biology, cell theory, genetic and molecular biology, evolution, learn about diversity of life, astrobiology. Learn about how geology and how geology follows from quantum theory. Lean about tectonic plate theory, geologic time and evolution from geologic point of view. Then lean about theory of gravity, theory of relativity, cosmology, solar system formation, origin of universe (big bang theory), Casimir effect, quantum tunneling, vacuum energy and how a flat universe can come from nothing.

Now contrast that with the world view and understanding of the bronze age herdsmen and the tribe god they invented and the religion that flows from it. Look at the character of the god they have, how he behaves exactly as you would expect the people of that age to behave. Look at the competing religions all claiming to posses the true words of the creator of the universe, yet they are totally incompatible and different to one another. Look at all the claims about the real world and see if they are compatible with what we now know as scientific facts. Evolution of religions and the fact we have multiple religions like this is exactly what you would expect to see if religion were man made.

Yes none of the above claims are backed by any evidence at all. Which brings me to an interesting point. Presumably an omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe would know people would invent scientific method and evidence based reasoning. Would it not be incredibly stupid of god to demand belief in him without any evidence and leaving something important like what to believe and if you will be saved largely correlated with where you were born. If you are born in Saudi Arabia you will be defending Islam, rather than Christianity. Needless to say in Islam, Jesus is not only not the son of god, but he never died on the cross, and never resurrected. Believing otherwise will get you damned to hell for eternity. Yet, how many Christians spend sleepless nights worrying if Islam could be right? And why is that?

There are two kinds of beliefs. One is based on evidence, rational thinking, logic and the healthy mind has no option but to accept them (doing otherwise leads to cognitive dissonance which is rather unpleasant). And then there is belief in something based on no evidence. You could say, it is based on ignorance. This kind of belief is called faith. Religion is really all about faith, otherwise if religion were based on facts it would be a branch of science. All we have in religion is dogma, a set of beliefs no matter how incredible (look at transubstantiation - a central dogma in Catholicism) that one must accept without question to be counted as member. The biggest fault with religion though is that it makes a virtue out of accepting dogma, i.e. belief without evidence. Religion is making a virtue out of ignorance.

Many people were killed for questioning and seeking evidence and challenging accepted dogmas by the religious. But now religion comes to use mild and meek with open hands offering consolation, but we should not forget how it behaved when it really thought it had god on its side.

more than 2 years ago

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Oracle adds commercial option to JVM

mario_grgic mario_grgic writes  |  more than 2 years ago

mario_grgic (515333) writes "Oracle recently committed a patch to the Open JDK project that adds a -XX:+UnlockCommercialVMOptions switch to the Java Virtual Machine. In particular, the switch seems to pertain to the HotSpot optimizations. Could the decision to charge for advanced runtime optimizations (currently free and available to everyone) lead to splitting up of Java to personal and enterprise editions. What impact could this have for already wounded Java on the desktop and future of Java in general? Perhaps Steve Jobs was right yet again when deprecating Java on the Mac OS X, calling it legacy technology?"
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Apple to require sandboxing for Mac App Store Apps

mario_grgic mario_grgic writes  |  more than 2 years ago

mario_grgic (515333) writes "And so it begins, Apple will require that all Mac apps submitted to the Mac App store stick to strict sandboxing requirements. This means you must ask Apple for read or read/write entitlements for additional folders outside your Application Support folder before your app is approved. There are also restrictions on direct hardware access, communication to processes your app did not start, or even something simple as taking a screenshot.

All that is needed after this to turn your Mac into an appliance is to only allow app installations from App Store."

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Rumor: Apple plans to move laptops from Intel to A

mario_grgic mario_grgic writes  |  more than 3 years ago

mario_grgic (515333) writes "Appleinsider is running a rumor that Apple is about to switch to ARM CPUs for all their portable computers and even desktops as early as next year. If true this would be quite a change (considering that it took Apple 4 years to switch from PowerPC to Intel) and I wonder what is the likelihood of Apple actually doing something like this. Can ARM actually compete with the Intel desktop performance?

I know Microsoft has announced that Windows 8 will run on ARM, but I don't think they meant only ARM."

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Forced iAds coming to OS X?

mario_grgic mario_grgic writes  |  more than 4 years ago

mario_grgic (515333) writes "Apple insider brings a story about expansion and renewal of current "Advertisement in Operating System" patent that Apple's Steve Jobs and other contributors have. The patent describes in detail (with OS X screen shots) how the forced ads would work (they would disable some OS functionality until the ad is viewed), but apparently it also applies to any device with UI including phones, TVs set top boxes etc.

With recent Apple entry into mobile ad business, and ambition to own half of all the mobile ads served in second half of this year, it certainly makes one wonder if Apple would dare and put something like this in its desktop OS. I wonder if this would push more people to open source alternatives?"

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Google Earth 5.0 silently changes update policy.

mario_grgic mario_grgic writes  |  more than 5 years ago

mario_grgic (515333) writes "Recently announced Google Earth version 5.0 adds interesting new features like images of ocean floors and some detailed images of Mars.But it also brings another unwelcome change for Mac OS X users. Google Software update daemon is installed when the application is launched for the first time. The user is greeted with an uninformative message that does not really explain what is about to happen. After accepting the agreement, Google update agent is downloaded and installed. It updates all Google applications and not just Google earth. Also, it runs on schedule instead only when one of Google applications is launched, consuming system resources. Worst of all it can not be simply removed, since it is downloaded and installed again once Google Earth is launched. Users really have only two choices, live with it, or uninstall all Google apps. So fellow Slashdotters, has Google crossed the line?"
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Microsoft Layoffs Start

mario_grgic mario_grgic writes  |  more than 5 years ago

mario_grgic (515333) writes "According to CNN, Microsoft is beginning the long rumored layoffs after announcing 11% lower than expected earnings. Initially 1400 jobs will be cut, but up to 5000 (5.5% of the workforce) may follow later, saving Microsoft $1.5 billion in operating expenses."

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