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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Ridiculous! (590 comments)

Appropriating mythological characters is fine and dandy, but making fundamental changes to them that don't serve a greater purpose to the audience is not.

Simply moving them from mythology to a superhero universe is already a fundamental change. Marvel has made many, many, many other changes to Thor. In fact, when he was first introduced, it was as a normal human finding Thor's hammer in a cave and turning into Thor. There already have been "what if?" stories exploring the scenario where his wife/girlfriend found the hammer instead. Storm has wielded Mjolnier on several occasions and turned into Thor. An alien has turned into Thor.

Fundamental differences compared to the mythological Thor are central to Marvel's Thor.

To take a non-mythological example, I've enjoyed the change from "John Watson" to "Joan Watson" in Elementary (the John Watson associated with Sherlock Holmes, in case you aren't familiar with it). Why? Because in the original Sherlock stories there has always been a kind of weird relationship between Sherlock and John. Changing John to a female character presents those relationships in a different light, just as it would if the characters were gay. So that's interesting.

And so is this. This is also an interesting new twist to the character. It's not as if they're turning Thor into Spiderman or something. It's just that now, a woman is Thor.

To take another example, in the Thor movie, making Heimdall black was stupid. That added nothing.. though since he was a minor character it wasn't a big deal.

Did it take anything away? To a lot of people, it most certainly did add something. There was nothing stupid about making him black.

Hypothetically, if they had made Loki black to make his "otherness" more obvious, that could have been interesting on many levels so it would be a worthwhile change to explore.

I feel like we're getting to the heart of the matter here. You associate black with "otherness". Let me guess: you are white? And male? Do you associate female also with "otherness"?

Do you realize that there are people like you who are black and/or female? That to them, there's nothing "other" about black or female? And if culture continues insisting that black and female are "other", then they will be forced to see themselves as "other", or all of culture will become "other". Wouldn't it be better to accept blacks and women as people just like yourself?

So what does changing Thor into a woman bring to the table?

Well, apparently it exposes these kind of preconceptions. That's something.

For now, I can't think of anything interesting that comes up as a result of Thor being a woman. So to me this was a stupid change.

To you maybe, but to many others, it's a wonderful change. And even you may eventually see something interesting coming from this. I hope you will.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:This Isn't The Way (590 comments)

Also the god of protection, strength, thunder/lightning/storms, etc. Those are masculine traits. If marvel wants a female character based on norse mythos, pick a female deity to base it on or make one up. Hell, they already have Storm, right?

Yeah, so thunder, lightning and storms are not the sole domain of men. Also, Storm has been Thor at some point in the past.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Since when was Thor a title? (590 comments)

thor is the person wielding mjolnir and busting asses.

Okay. So what's the name of the guy who will shortly have used to wield mjolnir and bust asses?

Donald Blake.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Imagination? (590 comments)

Marvel has substituted characters since time immemorial. Captain America has been at least two different people. Thor has been several different people, including another woman and a space alien. Maybe you don't consider this interesting, but Marvel apparently does. You don't have to buy their comics if you don't want to.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Congratulations? (590 comments)

If I were Christian I don't think I'd care about anyone's portrayal because Christianity is so strong that people would know my beliefs regardless. But if I felt Norse mythology was a part of my heritage I'd be pretty concerned about what Marvel did because that would be the major exposure a lot of people got to my heritage.

True, but the time to complain about that is when Marvel first appropriated Thor and other mythological characters. What happens here is already well-established in Marvel canon.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Congratulations? (590 comments)

They also made Thor come from space, speak English, made Asgard not an afterlife, and changed all sorts of other details.

What makes this change particularly galling to you?

The previous changes were necessary to integrate Thor into the Marvel universe.

This change unnecessarily alters a core characteristic of who Thor is.

No it doesn't. You just think it does, because you don't know what the core characteristic of Marvel Thor is. Thor has been different people before, including another woman and an alien.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Ridiculous! (590 comments)

Thor's gender is such a significant feature of his established identity that to change his gender is to change his identity from Thor into Something-that-is-not-Thor.

Thor's gender is such a significant feature of his established identity that not just a woman, but also an alien have been Thor in the past. Being Thor isn't about what's between your legs, it's about being worthy to wield Mjolnir.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Ridiculous! (590 comments)

Thor is a Norse God, NOT a USA Hollywood invention.

This is about the Marvel character, not Norse mythology or Hollywood.

If your problem is with Marvel appropriating mythological characters, then that's a different complaint. A totally valid one, but also one that has nothing to do with the new female Thor.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Ridiculous! (590 comments)

Thor is a character in Norse mythology. Those stories are part of our cultural heritage. And in those stories, Thor is male.

Yes, but Thor is also a Marvel character. The Marvel character is not the same as the one from Norse mythology, even if a lot of the trappings are the same. The Marvel Thor is whoever happens to be worthy to wield Mjolnir. The old Marvel Thor wasn't born a god, he's a mortal who is worthy to become Thor.

If you object to that, then you object just as much to the old male Thor as to the new female Thor. If you don't object tot he old Thor and you still object to the new Thor, then you're sexist. There's no reason in Marvel canon why a woman can't become Thor, so the problem is entirely in your own preconceptions.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Ridiculous! (590 comments)

I disagree. Aunt May has a mysterious side that is only hinted at in the comics. On a more serious note: Rogue, Moonstone, Songbird (screaming mimi), Emma Frost, Mystique, AoA Blink, She-Hulk, and plenty of other women have compelling stories (and no, She-Hulk isn't just tits on a Hulk). Granted, Ororo, Jean Grey, Sue (Storm) Richards, and Alyson Blaire are all pretty boring,

Storm is an introvert, but not boring. She's the best leader the X-Men ever had, and continued to lead them when she lost her powers. Jean Grey was the central character of the most dramatic Marvel story ever. Though it's possible that post-Claremont writers don't know what to do with them.

about two weeks ago
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Marvel's New Thor Will Be a Woman

mcvos Re:Ridiculous! (590 comments)

Parent seems to be the comment that this entire uninformed discussion has been waiting for. Where are my mod points?

about two weeks ago
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German NSA Committee May Turn To Typewriters To Stop Leaks

mcvos Paranoia (244 comments)

The question isn't if you're paranoid, it's if you're paranoid enough.

about two weeks ago
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Tibetans Inherited High-Altitude Gene From Ancient Human

mcvos Re:Great (133 comments)

Ku-Klux-Klan were Democrats, not Republicans.

They certainly were, until FDR and later LBJ wanted to turn the Democrats into the civil rights party, and distanced the party from the racist southern democrats, after which Nixon decided that the Republicans should appeal to those southern former-democrats in order to gain more votes, and the parties basically switched position on this issue.

about three weeks ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re:if they were so fucking smart... (561 comments)

Not all dating sites are scammy, though admittedly some of them definitely are.

about a month ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re:Makes sense (561 comments)

I don't know about the US, but in the Netherlands there are dating sites that cater specifically to the "highly educated", i.e. people with university degrees.

In fact, it seems to be the most lucrative market for dating sites, considering how many cater specifically for that market.

about a month ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re:I turned down a chance to join MENSA (561 comments)

Because I am smart enough to know I don't need to be part of a group to be smart.

It's the opposite: you need to be smart to be part of the group. And somehow people like being part of a group.

about a month ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re: What's the big deal? (561 comments)

I believe someone did some research in Eindhoven, which, being the home town of tech company Philips as as major tech university, has a high ratio of engineers. Turns out there was also a higher rate of autism in kids. It's possible they also looked at genetics. I forgot the details.

about a month ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re:Let's be fair (561 comments)

Has that been corrected for cultural differences?

about a month ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re:IF.. (561 comments)

Actually, if they were that smart, they should be able to find each other without a dating service. Or if they don't have time for that, at least build robots that go out there looking for smart people to date...

You mean, like a dating service? Seems to me the smartest thing to do is to use the best tool for the job.

about a month ago
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Match.com, Mensa Create Dating Site For Geniuses

mcvos Re:IF.. (561 comments)

I still have trouble believing that so many people think IQ equates to intelligence, when we don't even understand intelligence all that well.

Exactly. An IQ test tries to measure something we're not sure of what it is or even what we mean by it. As a result, different IQ tests measure slightly different things with different weights. Mostly, IQ tests measure your ability to do IQ tests. That IQ value does correlate strongly with all sorts of stuff, like doing well in school, university and work, but it's no guarantee.

about a month ago

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Pirate Bay bought for $7.7 million

mcvos mcvos writes  |  about 5 years ago

mcvos writes "Global Gaming Factory bought The Pirate Bay. For $7.7 million! Who would pay that amount of money for a site that's in court and probably doomed to disappear? Well, somebody who can afford $7.7 million for PR of course. Don't expect TPB to remain unchanged:

"Content creators and providers need to control their content and get paid for it. File sharers need faster downloads and better quality,"

So instead of a filesharing site, it's probably going to be a new web shop under a familiar name. Which reminds me: how is Napster doing these days?"
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