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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Re:Embrace (153 comments)

> Since this is open-sourcing of their own software, please elaborate on how the final E in EEE is even theoretically possible.

In fact, the open sourcing of their own software is a necessary first step. Open source a version, encourage adoption, then create proprietary but attractive features in a future version which remain closed source, use these features to leverage their own products at the expense of others. The "embrace" part is a strategy to get competitors to use a Microsoft standard, the Extend is to create proprietary extensions to that standard, and the Extinguish is when competitors can no longer compete because users have come to rely on those proprietary features.

This is not exactly a secret.

The question becomes, does Microsoft have enough clout to do it again.

4 hours ago
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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Re:Embrace (153 comments)

> right and if you read that wiki page (actually the bit you quoted that i bolded is sufficient) how does that apply to releasing their existing non-standard software as open source?

By making a future proprietary version of the software, backwards compatible with the open source version, include new and attractive proprietary features. The "Extend" part of the process.

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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Re:Embrace (153 comments)

> 1994 called, it wants its ridiculous MSFT paranoia back.

I'd like to point out that "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" is Microsoft's own words. Perhaps our reaction is less about our paranoia and more about Microsoft's baggage.

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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Re:Embrace (153 comments)

> It used to be that people wanted companies to release their software as open source but now the community has proved so fickle that they don't want companies to release their software as open source lest that company discontinue support and support be left to an incapable community and end up another abandoned open source project.

I don't think that's it at all. It's nothing to do with some random company open sourcing their software. Companies do it all the time, for drivers and such, and it's a good thing.

We're talking about Microsoft here, who has, in the past, used "Embrace" more than once as a road to extinguishing competitors. With varying success.

For fudd's sake, there's a wiki about it: "Embrace, extend, and extinguish",[1] also known as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate",[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] and was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors.

(Emphasis mine.)

So yeah, companies do this all the time, but this is microsoft. We have a right, I think, to be a tad suspicious of their motives.

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Top Five Theaters Won't Show "The Interview" Sony Cancels Release

roc97007 Re:Good (294 comments)

Check out the rotten tomatoes score. Not missing much...

I have to reluctantly say, that's not the point. To not show it because it stinks is fine. (I've seen the reviews, and it has all the characteristics of a true stinker.) But to not show it because some third-world dictator pitched a fit is a different thing. That truly offends me. We should be showing it precisely because it pisses him off.

5 hours ago
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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Re:Embrace (153 comments)

> If you want to look at it more cynically, you could say that Microsoft is attempting to keep Windows relevant in a post-PC world by ensuring it can more easily interop with other platforms like Linux, Android, and iOS. The best way for them to do this is to allow Windows PC developers to use their existing tools and technologies to target those platforms

With Linux I sort-of agree, as Microsoft has done timid foreys into this kind of interoperability in the past, but I don't see them trying to interact with Android and IOS. Windows ... I was about to say "Mobile" but it's all Windows now, I guess -- Windows on portable devices (there you go...) is the major new up and coming platform (according to marketing) and Microsoft typically fights to the death (often their death) in the initial stages of the introduction of a new platform. I'm not sure that parses, but you get what I mean. Microsoft would not be seeking interoperability with the iPad at a time they're trying to sink it by showing the Surface on Hawaii five-oh at every opportunity. (Or whatever.)

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Top Five Theaters Won't Show "The Interview" Sony Cancels Release

roc97007 Cowards. (294 comments)

I don't like Rogan or Franco, don't like that kind of film, but was planning to go anyway just because I was pissed off at a bunch of script kiddies pretending to be a tinpot dictator's henchmen. Sony should have acquired some 'nads and shown it anyway. At least in the theaters courageous enough to put it on the marquee.

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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Re:Embrace (153 comments)

The more they try the more money they spend. The more they take away from their primary product development. The more money they loose when they fail.

Eventually they will run out of money and go out of business.

My understanding is that Microsoft has a *lot* of cash. But the sun isn't due to go out for awhile yet, so I guess there's time for Microsoft to run out of money.

Which will be followed by "The year of the Linux Desktop" :P

Oh, now you're just being silly...

7 hours ago
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What Will Microsoft's "Embrace" of Open Source Actually Achieve?

roc97007 Embrace (153 comments)

...is followed by Extend, which is followed by Extinguish. Do we even have to ask the question?

I think it's getting more and more difficult for Microsoft to successfully implement the three-E strategy in this day and age, but it doesn't stop them from trying.

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Sony Leaks Reveal Hollywood Is Trying To Break DNS

roc97007 Re:Comcast or cap (345 comments)

How should Comcast objectors living in Comcast territory cope with the 10 GB/mo cap of non-Comcast home Internet through the sat or cell company?

I dunno. Perhaps complain to your municipality about the granting what is essentially a monopoly to a company with such a bad customer service record. Make correcting the situation a factor in getting re-elected.

Where I am, we have a choice of cable or fiber, before you have to consider lower tier like DSL wifi, satellite. (I consider satellite lower tier because of the terrible upload speeds.) I understand that other areas, especially older municipalities, don't have the choices we have in my area. That fight is with local government, I think.

8 hours ago
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Sony Leaks Reveal Hollywood Is Trying To Break DNS

roc97007 Re:comcast (345 comments)

> 1) Yet another reason why it should be illegal for cities/municipalities to award a monopoly cable contract

Copy that. This is the root cause of this whole morass. If we had reasonable competition (1 Mb/s DSL is not reasonable) the issue would be at best an irritation. Your second point is also right on target.

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Sony Leaks Reveal Hollywood Is Trying To Break DNS

roc97007 comcast (345 comments)

> and working with ISPs like Comcast to examine how a system might work technically

Yet another reason not to do business... well, you know.

11 hours ago
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NASA's $349 Million Empty Tower

roc97007 Re: It's because it's by David Fahrenthold (186 comments)

> I see. You believe that politically inflamatory and misleading news items are ok because they might otherwise be boring.

I understand your frustration, but that's not really what he said. He said that if you want to be a professional writer, you must write to your audience, or look for some other line of work. As far as I can see, that is an accurate statement. Writing meant for the great unwashed public (news in particular) appears to be written to inflame, not illuminate. It's not his fault that this is so.

News outlets could decide to give the real facts rather than what will make people fearful or send them out demonstrating, but unless every news source does it at the same time, the source that remains purile and hyperbolic and downright fake will continue to have a commercial advantage. This has been so ever since news became a profit center.

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Curiosity Detects Mysterious Methane Spikes On Mars

roc97007 Re:Farting Aliens! (66 comments)

A true fan refers to him as "The Doctor", not "Doctor Who". It serves to irritate non-fans.

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Curiosity Detects Mysterious Methane Spikes On Mars

roc97007 Re:Sorry... (66 comments)

I'm really sorry. Excuse me.

What? I blamed it on the dog. Sorry, boy.

yesterday
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Ask Slashdot: How Should a Liberal Arts Major Get Into STEM?

roc97007 First step... (259 comments)

First step: Don't tell them you're a liberal arts major.

Go with "microbiology major who hasn't been in school for awhile".

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Blade Runner 2 Script Done, Harrison Ford Says "the Best Ever"

roc97007 best ever... (294 comments)

Isn't anyone concerned that similar things were said about Indy 4 before it was released?

3 days ago
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Apple's iPod Classic Refuses To Die

roc97007 Re:The real issue is... (265 comments)

> It is part of the cost of owning the device

The cost (being unrepairable) is too great. This is why I still have a gen 3 ipod, which is relatively easy to service, and why I abandoned Apple as a platform to run the adobe suite (necessary for my job) a few years ago. I kept my G4 going for long after Apple wanted me to pay an exorbitant price for a shiny new replacement, but when it came time for a bump in performance (mostly an increase in memory), I went back to Windows, in a PC I assembled myself, (using an enclosure I happened to have sitting around from 2001) because I just couldn't buy into the wasteful, disposable, glassy-eyed trendy, Apple culture. Mind you, I hate Windows, and I have serious problems with their business model, but it runs the Adobe suite, and that's the main point -- it's not the hardware or the OS, but what it does that's important. Similarly, my Gen 3 ipod still plays music just fine.

If that's the cost of owning a newer Apple device -- all potted and unrepairable, meant to be thrown away when the next incremental improvement becomes available -- then I'll pass, thanks. But as always, your mileage may vary, and that's fine. If you want to line up in the rain to waste money on replacements that only represent tiny improvements, I won't stand in your way.

4 days ago
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Apple's iPod Classic Refuses To Die

roc97007 Re:The real issue is... (265 comments)

To carry this further, you can imagine Apple devices eventually be offered in those impossible-to-open hard molded plastic shells hanging up near the checkout counter. If the device is MEANT to be a throw-away, doesn't that just SCREAM "commodity"? Can Apple have it both ways? Boutique business model with disposable products? I'm thinking, not for long.

Apple is selling you a platform; and ideology. The hardware is merely a vessel to carry and express it. The fact the hardware is throw-away is inconsequential to the aforementioned core philosophy that Apple espouses to the market. For example, the "cloud" represents the method now.

Maybe I'm too old for this. That in no way works for me.

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Apple's iPod Classic Refuses To Die

roc97007 Re:The real issue is... (265 comments)

> When was the last time you upgraded a mechanical watch?

False argument, as you should know. I've *repaired* (not "upgraded") a mechanical watch many times. I have a pocket watch my wife gifted me when we were married 21 years ago, and I've replaced the *battery* in it countless times. You can't even replace the battery, the *battery* fer chrissake, in a modern Apple laptop. I still have my grandfather's pocket watch, with a genuine Radium dial, which has been in the shop an unknown number of times in the last 70 years, and it still keeps good time. (Although it's getting hard to find a watchmaker who will go near it...) It's not a matter of "upgrades". It's not a matter of having "the latest and greatest". You entirely miss the point. It's about the device you have, right now, doing the job just fine, and wanting it to *keep* doing that job.

Watches tell time. Newer watches are going to do what, tell time in a different way?? New ipods, are going to, like, what, make the music sound DIFFERENT?

Disposables like batteries and stress points like connectors (and wind stems) should be replaceable, and people should want to replace them instead of throwing out the device, *if*, mind you, the device is in any way decent. This is the dichotomy -- if the device is truly innovative, one should want to keep it. If it's meant to be thrown away after a few months, how innovative could it have been? You can't have it both ways.

4 days ago

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Google Latitude leaves Google Maps, will be turned off August 9

roc97007 roc97007 writes  |  about a year ago

roc97007 (608802) writes "According to Cnet (and notifications to google users) Google Latitude is no longer part of Maps and will be turned off August 9. The functionality will be incorporated into Google+. Is this a natural progression or an effort to increase participation in Plus? Will users migrate to Plus, or switch to competing platforms like Life 360?

I used to use Latitude to track my daughter's whereabouts, first as a child while on vacations, and again when she first started driving solo, and having it directly incorporated into Maps was a plus. But now that she's on her own my use case has gone away, so I'm ambivalent about this. Others might feel differently."
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Malware causes fatal plane crash

roc97007 roc97007 writes  |  more than 4 years ago

roc97007 (608802) writes "As if you needed another reason not to get on the plane: Malware, possibly from an infected USB stick, caused a fatal crash of Spanair flight 5022. From the article:

  Authorities investigating the 2008 crash of Spanair flight 5022 have discovered a central computer system used to monitor technical problems in the aircraft was infected with malware.

An internal report issued by the airline revealed the infected computer failed to detect three technical problems with the aircraft, which if detected, may have prevented the plane from taking off, according to reports in the Spanish newspaper, El Pais."

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Yorke says music industry on verge of collapse

roc97007 roc97007 writes  |  more than 4 years ago

roc97007 (608802) writes "Thom Yorke cautions up and coming musicians not to sign traditional record deals because the industry could collapse within months.

From the article: "It will be only a matter of time — months rather than years — before the music business establishment completely folds. (It will be) no great loss to the world.""

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First week on company iPhone

roc97007 roc97007 writes  |  more than 6 years ago

A week ago, my team received their new company iPhones. For the first few days, lots of playing, exploring, downloading of apps, taking pictures, putting funny faces on them, showing off various discoveries.

Today was the first team meeting since the iPhones were delivered. It wasn't pretty.

One team member has already traded in his for a Motorola Razr because "it will receive calls". Another says she keeps hers in Edge mode normally, so the phone will work, switching to G3 only when she needs to be on the internet. Another guy forwarded his iPhone to his private cell and uses the iPhone as a rather expensive iPod. The recently released firmware update made no noticeably difference to the reception issues. Our program manager described trying to make a call as "hello? I'd like to... damn" (redial) "Hello? I'd like... damn" (redial) "Hello? damn" (redial).

Other gripes -- Rapid battery death in GPS mode. The camera isn't as good as the one in the company-issued Blackberry. (2.0 Mp vs 3.0 Mp). No flash. No video capabilities. No MMS. Awkward file management. One person said "Once you get past the flashy interface, you realize the guts are five or six years old".

Early adopters. Don't you love 'em.

But seriously, I'm glad there are people out there who will put up with teething issues as the necessary price of being the first to have something shiny and new. I think the concept has merit, and will be glad to "drink the Kool-Aid" as the detractors put it, when the time is right. Which isn't now. My phone, is, like, my phone. First and foremost, it has to work as a phone. The rest is cake.

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Are the number of MS licenses significantly overreported?

roc97007 roc97007 writes  |  more than 6 years ago

Yesterday I was helping move around some desktop and laptop machines at work, and noticed for the first time that every one of these units had an official Microsoft sticker with a Windows license key, the great majority of which were for Windows Home Edition, which we do not use at work. (We only use XP Professional or Windows Server.)

I asked around, and apparently all those Home Edition licenses are legitimate; they are part of the cost of the unit. The company then stages the disk with the copy of windows for which we have a corporate license.

I haven't checked yet, but I suspect the latest hardware come with a Vista Home Basic license, which is then re-imaged with corporate XP Pro. (I will check this and update as necessary.)

I'm wondering -- doesn't this effectively double the number of licenses that Microsoft can claim to have sold, at least for corporate customers?

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