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Parents' Privacy Concerns Kill 'Personalized Learning' Initiative

s.petry Re:Good to hear there are reasonable parents left. (71 comments)

So they got caught with their pants down, okay. Not the first group this happened to.

It would be better to hear their logic for collecting this data to begin with. If they wanted personalized learning, I'm pretty sure a student ID unique to each student make more sense than gathering data on parents, their partners, reasons they missed class, etc...?

If they really and truly only wanted to help personalize learning why not trim off the data people took issue with? They obviously wanted that data more than they want to really wanted help people.

10 hours ago
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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Re:Hmm (351 comments)

And what about the people that prefer the Expanding Vacuum theory as opposed to big bang? Those crazy quantum physicists must all be religious nuts with mental illness too right?

Sadly, this affliction is rampant in the USA. Happily, it is a dwindling number, and perhaps will soon be eradicated.

Just make sure you know which side of the fence you are on, because I'm not sure you do.

10 hours ago
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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Re:Experimental science vs narrative science (351 comments)

I find it very sad that you call someone else an idiot, yet lump inductive and deductive reason into one category and claim they are the same thing. Deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning are not the same thing. Theory is not fact, and probably is not absolutely. That said, there are quite a few of both. The scientific method never claims you can only use one method exclusively.

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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Re:Experimental science vs narrative science (351 comments)

What about the multiverse? :)

What?

The atmosphere isn't some single indivisible thing anymore than the universe,

What??

you aren't going to find a climate scientist who specializes in the atmosphere anymore than you find a physicist who specializes in the universe.

What???

The reason that matters is because you can repeat observations.

What???? Seriously, I hope this is a troll?

There is no proof of a multiverse, the atmosphere is within confined known space and measurable, science does have specialists, and I can repeatedly watch lightning come out of the sky but that does not mean Zeus throwing thunder because he's angry.

If this was not a troll ... well the world is already in trouble so what's one more.

10 hours ago
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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Re:Experimental science vs narrative science (351 comments)

And not only that, it seems to be a vehicle for pushing the 'fact' that *human caused* global warming is a proven fact, by trying to associate it with a group of much more solidly proven 'facts' and poking fun at dissenters.

Welcome to the game! Watch how you are modded down over and over again because you question theories people want you to believe.

11 hours ago
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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Re:You’re using the wrong defn of doubt (351 comments)

I don't believe in the big bang because the expanding vacuum theory is much more logical. So am I also a whacko? I can use logic and reason to determine which model I think makes more sense. Read Lawrence Kraus if you are lost.

I don't believe a single vaccine is a problem, I believe giving kids massive vaccines in short durations of time is harmful. Again I use logic and reason to come to that conclusion, in addition to scientific observation. Every kid I know gets a fever, irritation, rash, nausia, etc.. from 1 vaccine. When we lump 3 vaccines into 1 shot, the effect is obviously going to be amplified. Science has shown that people should heal before their next vaccine, yet we see people getting series after series after series with no time to heal. Chances for autism in children have gone from 1 in 1500 to 1 in 68, but we can't question the vaccine policy?

According to this pollster, I'm anti-science. Not because I'm not using the scientific method, but because I question theories.

11 hours ago
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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Re:"Fully Half Doubt the Big Bang"? (351 comments)

If the expanding vacuum theory is correct and there was no big bang, the Universe is much much older than our current high estimates.

11 hours ago
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The US Public's Erratic Acceptance of Science

s.petry Impossible (351 comments)

A huge issue is that even the people claiming to be intelligent can not differentiate between theory and fact. I blame our horrible education system and 'reward everyone including people that get it wrong' methodology. These same people lump inductive and deductive reasoning into one category because they are not taught the difference. Unless of course they happen to take an elective college class or by happenstance figure out the difference on their own.

Hell, if they took 10 seconds to look at the Wiki page for the inductive reasoning they would realize their idiocy.

Inductive reasoning forms the basis of most scientific theories e.g.; Darwinism, Big bang theory and Einstein's theory of relativity.[2][3]

Good luck getting these morons to think, I gave up long ago because these same idiots get mod points so if you debate them you must be a troll.

In my opinion, articles like TFA make matters worse. They don't point out that these theories are just that, it's expected that everyone has an absolute belief in what ever theory they are handed. Interestingly there are thousands of doctors that question the massive vaccination policies today, but we are not allowed to debate any of their merits because it's taught as fact that vaccines cause no harm. (also makes a few companies assloads of money, go figure...). We still have no idea what caused the Universe to exist, and if you ask that question you must be one of those religious people and not believe in the big-bang theory.

11 hours ago
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In the US, Rich Now Work Longer Hours Than the Poor

s.petry Re:That's a strange definition of "rich" (278 comments)

I realize that none of those articles state that exact verbiage, but if you read each you easily have enough information to back my claim.

First, 100K earners are 'middle class' and have been for some time. This is not "new", 100K has been middle class since the 90s for family income. The extreme upper middle class in the 90s I'll agree, but not "rich" people.

* The top 10% earners on average have seen a 346% income increase and at the same time a 48% income tax decrease since 2007 Those are the tax laws, not the offshore safe havens so we don't have actual numbers. In other words, at least a 48% tax reduction. The top 1% dwarfs the growth in income and corresponding tax reductions seen by the other 9% out of the top 10%.

If the 100K plus earners (which includes middle class) pay 72% of the income tax yet the top 10% are paying 48% less income tax, where is the difference coming from? It sure as hell is not the million dollar club, but the upper middle class tax payers with the burden.

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Tech People Making $100k a Year On the Rise, Again

s.petry Re:$100K is not "living the life" (163 comments)

As said, it depends on the location. Making 100K in Silicon Valley will not get you a nice house and good schools unless you commute an hour to work and another hour home.

6 figures has always been misleading, but today I fear it's more misleading. Those that live in middle class are in 6 figures even if barely. The low end of 6 figures is generally a 2 family income now, which means that a parent could be a stay at home parent. You are not out buying houses and boats on that (at least not without accumulating lots of debt) and not really living the "good life". You are going to be "middle class" with the trimmings of 'middle class'.

That same 6 figure bracket holds the guys making 990K. The difference a middle class 2 person family income and being just shy of a millionaire is huge!

yesterday
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In the US, Rich Now Work Longer Hours Than the Poor

s.petry Re:That's a strange definition of "rich" (278 comments)

Exactly this!

Strange to me how the middle class has become almost non-existent today, and the term rich has been changed to include the survivors of the destruction of the middle class. Sure, I'm rich to someone making 15,000/yr but I'm not 'rich' by any stretch of the imagination.

I see this piece as an attempt to keep average people pitted against each other while ignoring the real problem. This link is from 2007, and disparity has been increasing for the last 40 years. In the 70s the US ranked 26th for fairness in wealth distribution. Today it's ranked the the worst of all the developed countries in the world, including Russia who we like to talk shit about. Another source just in case you are not sure what keywords to search for to find data.

We are often falsely told that the top 1% pay most of the taxes in the US, and that is another piece of trash propaganda which is just another fabrication to keep people from looking at the real problem.

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Detroit: America's Next Tech Boomtown

s.petry Re:Wait for it.... (336 comments)

If you were really from the city you would not claim "I'm from the city" but would claim "I'm from Hamtramk" or "I'm from Dearborn". What you wrote instead equates to completely false claims.

3 days ago
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Detroit: America's Next Tech Boomtown

s.petry Re:Wait for it.... (336 comments)

Nope, it's not just about the 'white' racist white people. I grew up in Ferndale and Madison Heights and have no issues with race. There are certain areas you learn not to visit if you are white, just like black people learn where not to go.

The Detroit area has a lot of bigots and racism, but it's not just white bigots and racists. If you have doubts and are black, go driving around in Livonia. If you are white, cruise around in Centerline. These are just 2 examples, but there are plenty to be found.

You claim to be white and from "the city" but don't actually mention a city which to me indicates that you are just a poser. Driving main roads into the "Joe" or Cobo Hall does not make you "from the city".

3 days ago
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Americans Uncomfortable With Possibility of Ubiquitous Drones, Designer Babies

s.petry Re:Personal Drones (155 comments)

Wiki does a horrible job of explaining this fallacy, and only gives one use case and definition. I'd recommend a college Logic book which explains the fallacy very well in numerous ways. My old text book spends a chapter on this one because it's not a simple fallacy.

To your second point, it's not a humor deficiency. People were showing different ways of defining this fallacy. Some of them correct, others not. A fallacy is a logic error, it does not prove true or false. It can surely help to demonstrate the logical errors made in statements, but the reason for calling out fallacies in debate is to reduce an argument to it's simplest terms and invalidate irrational/illogical statements.

Example: "The sky is blue you ass!" may contain an ad hominem and may contain a true statement. I have given no proof as to the color or whether or not you are an "ass". I just presented a fallacy hoping that people believe me.

In Logic we would break that into two statements and choose what's relevant to our debate. If we were trying to determine people's opinion of you, we would keep the later calling sky color a fallacy (it could fit quite a few). If we were debating the color of the sky the former would stay and the later would be called fallacy (most likely ad hominem).

4 days ago
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Americans Uncomfortable With Possibility of Ubiquitous Drones, Designer Babies

s.petry Re:Personal Drones (155 comments)

Learn Latin you imperitus fool!!

4 days ago
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Americans Uncomfortable With Possibility of Ubiquitous Drones, Designer Babies

s.petry Re:Personal Drones (155 comments)

Certification has the same issue as gun licensing, which is not an issue for gun shops as much as it's a concern for being tracked and tagged as a gun owner by the Government.

Make it part of public schools where everyone is a potential gun owner and I'd agree easily.

The common misnomer of the 2nd amendment is that a person owns a gun for self protection. The real purpose of the amendment is so that citizens in mass can revolt against corrupt government. (I don't mean to imply you made this misnomer, just preventing some trolling).

If everyone was a potential gun owner and trained to operate weapons, we are not worse off. Corrupt politicians certainly would not like it, but as far as I'm concerned they should be on trial and/or in jail anyway.

4 days ago
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Detroit: America's Next Tech Boomtown

s.petry Re:do they have a progressive view? (336 comments)

And then there is reality! Having driven from Michigan to Texas numerous times, living in Texas for 4 years I found plenty of Rock, Hip/Hop, Rap, and yes lots of "Country" music stations.

If you switched to AM radio for some dumb ass reason when crossing into a different state that's your own damn fault! I can find Christian stations both AM and FM in Detroit just as easy as search for them down "South". Plenty of music stations no matter where in the country I have been.

Claiming Michigan is some blessed region of non-biased people is laughable. If you are white simply drive anywhere in or near Detroit, Flint or Pontiac with your windows open so people can see you. Hell, the majority of Wayne county is not very safe for "Whitey". If you are black, head to Grosse Pointe and wave at a nice police officer who will beat you bloody for being in the wrong city, before hauling your ass to jail. For that matter, head a few counties out of Detroit and see how you are treated. Mackinac Island is a great place to be if you are black too, no really! Livonia is a self proclaimed "Whitest City in America".

No wonder you post anonymously, it takes a certain kind of coward to make up that much bullshit!

4 days ago
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Detroit: America's Next Tech Boomtown

s.petry Re:Wait for it.... (336 comments)

Nope, not especially Oakland. Madison Heights, Royal Oak, Ferndale, bleh! Really it depends on where in Oakland County you are, but don't lump in cities like I just mentioned. Safer than Detroit for sure, but Baghdad is safer than Detroit.

Long long ago the line was 8mile, and today it's around 12 mile to be "good area" which rules out lots of Oakland County cities.

4 days ago
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Detroit: America's Next Tech Boomtown

s.petry Re:Wait for it.... (336 comments)

I moved from there 3 years ago and still keep tabs (I have relatives from Detroit out to Flint and Pontiac). GM called me when they started pulling their IT back into Detroit and I laughed at their offer.

You hint at it, but I'll state it plainly. Claiming there is a "Boom" in Detroit is horribly distorting reality. In reality, the numbers went up because IT jobs were brought back from overseas, not because there is some magical "new" businesses. Next year these numbers will show very little change, and the next. Sure, there is some trickle effect but it's not a "boom". It's a one time relocation.

Michigan's tax laws pushed the majority of businesses away long ago. Tax rates are too high for any industrial work to move back, and large commercial companies will avoid Michigan for the same reason. Granholm ran around trying to peddle companies to move in for 1-3 years tax free. Companies would talk to her, but looking at a 20-28% tax when your free time ends is simply too much. Especially when you can cross the border into Ohio and pay 1/2 that rate.

Where I don't agree with you is that the city has been corrupt for 100+ years. Prior to Young the city was on par with any other big city in the US. Young was horribly corrupt and should have been in jail, just like Killpatrick.

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Click Like? You May Have Given Up the Right To Sue

s.petry Re:If only (216 comments)

Have you read the tax law? Our Tax code should be a few hundred pages at most! The majority of the 74,000 pages we have today are not because the US is so complicated. It's so that certain people get the loopholes that they want and lobby to get. Lobby has become a legal synonym to Bribery today.

4 days ago

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Slashdot Beta Woes

s.petry s.petry writes  |  about 3 months ago

s.petry (762400) writes "What is a Slashdot and why the Beta might destroy it?

Slashdot has been around, well, a very long time. Longer than any of it's competators, but not as long as IIRC. Slashdot was a very much one of the first true social media web sites.

On Slashdot, you could create a handle or ID. Something personal, but not too personal, unless you wanted it to be. But it was not required either. We know each other by our handles, we have watched each other grow as people. We may have even taken pot shots at each other in threads. Unless of course you are anonymous, but often we can guess who that really is.

One of Slashdot's first motto's was "News for Nerds" that Matters. I have no idea when that was removed. I have not always scoured the boards here daily, life can get too busy for that. That excuses my ignorance in a way. I guess someone thought it politically incorrect, but most of us "Nerds" enjoyed it. We are proud of who we are, and what we know. Often we use that pride and knowledge to make someone else look bad. That is how we get our digs in, and we enjoy that part of us too. We don't punch people, we belittle them. It's who we are!

What made Slashdot unique were a few things. What you will note here is "who" has been responsible for the success of Slashdot. Hint, it has never been a just the company taking care of the servers and software.

— First, the user base submitted stories that "they" thought mattered. It was not a corporate feed. Sure, stories were submitted about companies. The latest break through from AMD and Intel, various stories regarding the graphic card wars, my compiler is better than your compiler, and yes your scripting language stinks! Microsoft IIS has brought us all a few laughs and lots of flame wars to boot. Still, we not only read about the products but get to my second point.

— User comments. This is the primary why we have been coming here for as long as we have, many of us for decades. We provide alternative opinions or back what was given in the article. This aspect not only makes the "News" interesting, but often leads to other news and information sharing. It's not always positive, but this is the nature of allowing commentary. It also brings out the third point.

— Moderation. Moderation has been done by the community for a very long time. It took lots of trial and error to get a working system. As with any public system it's imperfect, but it's been successful. People can choose to view poorly modded comments, but don't have to. As with posting anonymous versus with our own handle it's an option that allows us to personalize the way we see and read what's on the site. And as a reward for submitting something worth reading, you might get a mod point of your own to use as a reward for someone else.

Why we dislike Beta and what is being pushed, and why this will result in the end of an era if it becomes forced on the community.

1. Bulky graphics. We get that Dice and Slashdot need revenue. I have Karma good enough to disable advertisements, but have never kept this setting on. I realize that Slashdot/Dice make money with this. That said, the ads sit away from my news and out of the way. I can get there if I want it (but nobody has ever gotten a penny from me clicking an ad... nobody!), but it's not forced into my face or news feed.

2. Low text area. I like having enough on my screen to keep me busy without constant scrolling. Slashdot currently has the correct ratio of text to screen. This ratio has never been complained about, yet Beta reduces the usable text area by at least 1/2 and no option for changing the behavior. I hate reading Slashdot on mobile devices because I can't stand scrolling constantly.

3. JavaScript. We all know the risks of JS, and many of us disable it. We also have an option of reading in Lync or non-standard browsers that many of us toy with for both personal and professional reasons. This flexibility is gone in Beta, and we are forced to allow JS to run. If you don't know the risks of allowing JS to run, you probably don't read much on Slashdot. Those that allow JS do so accepting the risk (which is admittedly low on a well known site).

4. Ordering/Sorting/Referencing. Each entry currently gets tagged with a unique thread ID. This allows linking to the exact post in a thread, not just the top of the thread. In Beta this is gone. It could be that the site decided to simply hide the post ID or it was removed. Either way, going to specific posts is something that is used very commonly by the community.

5. Eye candy. Most of us are not here for "eye candy" and many have allergic reactions to eye candy. Slashdot has a good mix currently. It's not as simple as the site starting with a r-e-d-i-t, which is good. That site has a reputation that keeps many of us away, and their format matches my attitude of them (s-i-m-p-l-e-t-o-n). At the same time, it's not like watching some other "news" sites with so much scrolling crap I can't read an article without getting a headache. The wasted space in beta for big bulky borders, sure smells like eye candy. Nothing buzzes or scrolls yet, but we can sense what's coming in a patch later.

The thing is, the community cares about Slashdot. We come here because we care. We submit stories because of that, we vote because of that, we moderate because of that, and we comment because of that. At the same time we realize that without the community Slashdot loses most of its value. We respect that we don't host the servers, backup the databases, or patch the servers. Slashdot/Dice provide the services needed for Slashdot.

It's a give give relationship, and we each get something in return. Slashdot gets tons of Search hits and lots of web traffic. We get a place to learn, teach, and occasionally vent.

Look, if you want to change default color scheme or make pre-made palettes for us to choose from, we would probably be okay with that. If you want to take away our ability to block ads by Karma, or move the ads to the left side of my browser window, I would be okay with those things too.

If you want to make drastic changes to how the site works, this is a different story all together. The reason so many are against Beta is that it breaks some of the fundamental parts of what makes Slashdot work.

User input until recently has not been acknowledged. The acknowledgment we have received is not from the people that are making the decision to push Beta live. We told people Beta was broken, what it lacked, and we were rather surprised to get a warning that Beta would be live despite what we told people. People are already making plans to leave, which means that Slashdot could fade away very soon.

Whether this was the goal for Dice or not remains to be seen. If it is, it's been nice knowing you but I won't be back. A partnership only works when there is mutual respect between the parties. A word of caution, us Nerds have good memories and lots of knowledge. The loss of Slashdot impacts all of Dice holdings, not just Slashdot. I boycott everything a company holds, not just the product group that did me wrong.

If that was not the goal of Dice, you should quickly begin communicating with the user base. What are the plans are to fix what Beta has broken? Why is Beta being pushed live with things broken? A "Sorry we have not been communicating!", and perhaps even a "Thank you" to the user base for helping make Slashdot a success for so many years."
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Limiting debate in science, is it still science?

s.petry s.petry writes  |  about 7 months ago

s.petry (762400) writes "We knew that this was coming, but I'm sure many of us thought that science would be immune to censorship. Perhaps not. I was not surprised that it happened on Boing Boing, but on a "science" site I never expected it (at least not this quickly).

These decisions may smack some as subjective or even malicious. After all comments are arguably the digital age response to print's "letter to the editor" — and they often contain criticisms of the article ranging from grammatical erorrs to factual oversights. Some may view the decision to ban comments as a form of censorship, a means for writers to escape any sort of visible accountability among their audience.

While that statement does not get to the meaty subject of real trolling and sock puppets, it does beg a very important set of questions. Especially when the reason for Popular Science from them claims:

And because comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them, the cynical work of undermining bedrock scientific doctrine is now being done beneath our own stories, within a website devoted to championing science.

As the article points out, Science is not about doctrine. Science is about methods of proof. Science also requires collaboration and gets much better when numerous minds work on and debate the Science.

Is censorship the right direction, or is finding more intelligent ways of reducing sock puppets and trolls through moderation?"

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