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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

I don't know what you're referring to. What I said is it's not as great a loss as you initially said because the person will still do something else.

You appear t obe unconcerned that the area is offputting to quite a lot of people due to something unrelated to the subject. Are you?

Well, no, the story itself is a counterexample. One "weird" person paved the way, and then the "normal" person followed. So it appears that if we ignore it, things still work out in the end.

Well, no not really. That requires there to always be one unusual person first. Kind of by definition, unusual people are uncommon. The story is still an excellent example of a person who is undeniable a dedicated expert and must clearly love the subject, being put off by a big gender imbalance.

There are plenty of typical human behaviors that are disorders. Racism was at one time very common, and in some cultures today it is still very common. But we don't say "There's nothing wrong with them, they're typical."

I've not heard racism as being referred to as a disorder before. A disorder is defined as "a disturbance in physical or mental health" among other things. You were essentially accusing a person exhibiting very normal human behaviour of being mentally ill.

What's wrong with letting things change naturally?

When you see something wrong, why let it persist?

5 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

Not a manly thing? They literally call that policy "Operation Eliminate the Macho Effect". And by the way, italics indicate sarcasm.

An annoying smartass is annoying whether they're male or female. I've met both. And yes, these people are foolish to describe it as a "macho" trait, whetever the hell that even means.

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Quite. It isn't. Glad you have no witty comeback beyond a complete lack of an argument.

8 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

So? Let's say she hadn't gone into programming for some reason. That means she went into some other field. If she's a good programmer, maybe she'd be a good electrical engineer, or a good math professor, or a good research biologist, or etc. See? There isn't necessarily a "loss" because she didn't join an all-male team of programmers.

Right, so the fact that the area is ofputting is of no concern to the people within the area. I disagree.

either wasn't human or liked being the odd one out by a huge margin. Nice!

Either she liked it or didn't mind. The latter is pretty atypical human behaviour. Not everyone's typical in all regards (thank god), but yeah if you ignore such things then you're dooming yourself to exclude people displaying normal human characteristics.

How about the possibility that the first woman enjoyed the work and didn't have a personality disorder that made her scared of working with "too many" men or being too scared to try things that "women don't do."

If you wish to define typical human behaviour as a personality disorder, then be my guest. But realise that's it's completely pointless and is self servig guesture to maintain the status quo.

8 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

Biologically, men are expendable and women are not. Biologically, the humans of today come from a narrower range of paternal ancestors, because human breeding was selective. Men who had power, prowess, ambition, and ruthlessness passed on their genes AND shaped the socities that men and women lived in.

Er, what?

You make it sonud like humans are chimps where the one dominant alpha male had all the kids and no one else did. Perhaps we're more like the equally closely related bonobos.

Well, we have a dick with a head shaped to remove a competitors sperm. That implies humans are evolved much more to be promiscuous, and not chimp like. We, along with bonobos and not like chimps also have neurotransmitter receptors in the brain to turn sexual activity into a form of bonding.

Pretending humans are chimps does no one any favours.

The smartest men appear to be much smarter than the smartest women;

There's very little information out at the tail end. Only one person ever managed to win two Nobels in different sciences. And that person was not a man.

men are not as attuned to empathy as are women

Evidence?

You can continue to pretend that gender is a social construct,

No one here's pretending gender is 100% social. It is however a lot less rigid than you appear to assume.

They're just different.

Equal but separate, eh?

10 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

This is not an either/or proposition; we can and should do both.

Yeah but neither of those involve attacking feminists so I'm not interested.

10 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

I've seen the same sorts of complaints come up on /. again and again, but it's never those. It's always, "well if they don't want to, they don't want to."

That's more or less "it's the natural way of things".

Now go search the thread for the comment about women being "les interested in abstract machines". Yeah those womens and their funny brains. No evidence needed, because they're women and it's obvious.

10 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

CS is too hard for women because, despite growing up with computers, they never learned how to program before. Lighten the intro courses to be less "weed out".

Oh, so you mean that CS should only be a course for people who already know how to program, and that people going to university to learn should just be weeded out. Including the guys. Brilliant plan!

University for learning? Whoever heard of anything so insane!

Women are intimidated by knowledge and enthusiasm. Don't show off. It's too... manly.

You are intentionally being an idiot (I hope it's not natural). A "know-it-all" is not a manly thing, it's annoying. And dickish. And puts people off. Most know-it-alls don't in fact know it all.

And jeez, why are you showing off in class, specifically an introductory one? That sonuds like a douchey thing to do.

Women need to be pandered to to keep them interested.

Stop pretending it's a gendered issue. No one likes boring courses. If you put off everyone who isn't 100% dedicated from the get-go then you've just lost out on a lot of talent.

Women's brains are different. But still, ignore those troglodytes who said women are naturally less inclined to be interested in abstract machines.

The only thing missing from there is come cod-evolution based explanation centreing about gathering versus hunting and nurturing babies or somethine.

I can't be bothered to quote anymore. Basically this is one of these feminism issues that when fixed will magically make things better for men. Not everyone who turns out to be a good programmer is a raging neckbeard who has been hacking since they were 5. Women are often pushed away from that so if you are hostile to non-raging-neckbeards then you will wind up with no women. But the thing is, not all guys are either.

So if you are putting off good women you are certainly also putting off good men too.

But yeah who ever thought uiversity should be for learning. We should just have it as a shitfest where raging neckbeards can show off to each other continuously so no one who didn't happen to wind up on that path early in life could possibly want to continue.

10 hours ago
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:What? (704 comments)

Do you believe that men never suffer reduced choice as the result of social pressure?

If so, you are silly. If not, why is assuming women to have the same behavioural traits as men "not feminist"?

yesterday
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Wait, wait, trying to keep up (704 comments)

...so today are women ndividuals who can do anything men can do and are perfectly capable of functioning in modern society to wit, choosing the career path that they want to follow out of interest, talent, and education?

Who says men are capable of pursuing any career path they want? Just like women, there are vast social pressures which push men away from certain careers or roles in life.

In other words, your premise is false, therefore your conclusions are unsound.

yesterday
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Enough with the concern trolling (704 comments)

I fail to see why we have to try and forcibly "fix" that and can't just accept that women, for whatever reason, don't want to go into tech.

What if the reason is it's a massive sausage fest, and people don't generally like being the odd one out.

You don't see anyone complaining about the lack of men in nursing or as elementary school teachers

Never apart from every fucking time this topic comes up.

Stop whining about the same thing in tech.

Yeah things are bad elsewhere so we should make no effort to make them better here! Let's keep the world nice and shit.

yesterday
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:What? (704 comments)

Passive coercion is just that.

Passive coercion is just coercion?

Only a delicate little flower (stamen or pistil) would succumb.

Then almost all humans are delicate little flowers. The GP was implying that this is implying that only women are and therefore it's somehow sexist to rcognise women as human.

Men are just as suceptible to passive coercion as women (i.e. very). So do you want to recognise that women are being passively coerced from not entering the field or would you prefer to believe in a utopia inhabited by non humans?

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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

So what's the loss?

Someone amazingly skilled was put off.

This person has a personality problem that prevents her from working with all men.

If by "personality" problem you mean "the person is human and doesn't like being the odd one out by a huge margin" then sure. So, if you accept that people are human then a large imbalance is a problem and puts off everyone not represented in the imbalanced group.

If you don't, then tell me, what is the ping time like from Mars?

yesterday
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:What? (704 comments)

No, perhaps you should learn to read, or perhaps learn to ont read things which aren't there. But ayway your "argument", that is more or less:

feminism is anti feminism because it implies women are weak and therefore we shouldn't actually be doing anything

is crap. Women are human. Humans are herding creatures and on the whole hate being the odd one out. Therefore a big gender imbalance is offputting.

Does that mean humans are weak? Possibly. Does that matter? No, not really.

yesterday
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:What? (704 comments)

They don't want to code. Deal with it.

Apparently they do, but find a massive sausagefest offputting!

http://www.pcgamer.com/how-gam...

So tell me, is an incredibly skilled female coder getting put off by a massive gender imbalance[*] "patronizing, paternalistic bullshit" or in fact evidence that being the odd one out is massiely unappealing to humans and hence putting women off programming?

[*]She only joined the project after it turned out it wasn't all men on board.

News flash: woman have brains and they do what they want.

News flash! Women are humans and humans are herding creatures. Pretending otherwise is not helpful.

yesterday
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NPR: '80s Ads Are Responsible For the Lack of Women Coders

serviscope_minor Re:Can we stop trying to come up with a reason? (704 comments)

The only thing responsible for a "lack of women coders" is that fewer women than men are interested in software development as a career path.

Blah blah glib answers blah fucking blah. This person is a better coder than 99.9% of people here:

http://www.pcgamer.com/how-gam...

and she wouldn't in fact have even joined the project if the gender imbalance had been any worse.

But don't let the fact that a much better coder than you[*] being put off by gender imbalance way your opinion.

So yeah "girls just don't want to code".

Given the way slashdot is going these days, I'm likely to get modded down for pointing out such obvious crap. Bring it, MRAs, I have karma to burn.

[*]It's at least more than likely. The number of people with that level of skill is really, really low and includes people like Fabrice Bellard.

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'Microsoft Lumia' Will Replace the Nokia Brand

serviscope_minor Re:Brilliant! (148 comments)

They might percieve it as old, but talk to anyone about Nokia phones.

It'll take about 20 seconds for them to get on to how much better they were for actually making voice calls and how it was nice to have a phone that lasted a week on a charge and didn't break when you dropped it.

They may be old, but people still associate a lot of awfully nice things with the name.

yesterday
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'Microsoft Lumia' Will Replace the Nokia Brand

serviscope_minor Re:Recognition (148 comments)

Microsoft seems to have both in great abundance,

In fairness, so does/did Nokia.

Remember when Nokia were at or at least only a little past their peak? When everyone had a Nokia phone and pitied (rightly) those poor souls on non-nokia phones which were hilariously bad to use. When it was one of the most well recognised and liked brands in the world.

Well, they decided to launch things like maps and so on.

And for some reason they decided to launch under the brand "Ovi".

Whey the hell would you squander one of the best brands in the world and spend millions trying to create one not nearly so well recognised?

yesterday
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Your Online TV Watching Can Now Be Tracked Across Devices

serviscope_minor TPB isn't just cheaper. (126 comments)

TPB isn't just cheaper than other services it's better. In fact that's the main thing. Advantages of TPB:

* No Ads during the show (though I have to concede that impossibly proportioned women do appear to want to date my testicles).
* Huge library including some obscure stuff you can't buy.
* Great search.
* All shows in one place.
* No DRM: watch on any device you like, laptop, phone, random set top box.
* No streaming bullshit. Works online or off, on a flakey connection or a good one.
* Variety of different resolutions and qualities allowing you to trade off quality and download speed.
* Great clients for managing multiple downloads.
* Really great options for viewing the media. MPlayer I love you.
* Timely: the shows are usually online very fast. No waiting years for it to arrive legally. Yes that still happens.
* No ausive region coding (see no DRM). Yes I own those discs legally. No I'm not going to pay to buy another DVD player just to satisfy some abusive jerkweeds who think I'm some sort of crook for having lived abroad.
* No net connection required to watch the shows once acquired.

And now:

* Doesn't creepily track you.

It's amazing how much better a service you get while sailing the seven seas and looting the merchentmen, arr, matey.

yesterday
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Manga Images Depicting Children Lead to Conviction in UK

serviscope_minor Re: Moral Imperialism (462 comments)

1 + 1 = 3, if you redefine "1" to mean something else. Now that is amazing.

I don't know of any such scheme which leads consistent, nontrivial structure.

The integers modulo 2 (and a variety of things) are consistent (as far as anyone knows) and produce all sorts of nontrivial structure.

We take things like positional umber systems, integers, addition, multiplication, division and so on as absolute immutable facts. They are not, they are a system it took a long time to work ot and longer still to understand at a deep level.

Other systems exist too.

yesterday
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GNU Emacs 24.4 Released Today

serviscope_minor Re: Yes, you are doing it all wrong (152 comments)

What? I fist, Linus is a bit of an opinionated idiot on many things. Secondly, you've never used a typewriter.

They literally had stops you could place anywhere on the carriage. The tab key lifted the movement ratchet so that the carriage would slide to the left under the power of a large spring. The carriage would stop when it hit a tab stop (a metal tab). Without settable stops, it would have been really hard to do tables properly.

Even really really really old typewriters had tab stops. It was a fairly early feature.

And Linus seems to be proudly ignorant on things he knows nothing about. If you write scientific code, especially things like filtering in 3d or even 4d, you can end up with very deep nesting of indent levels. With tabs set to 8, you end up wasting most of your pixels on empty space.

But he never writes code like that, so he assumes it doesn't exist it is somehow wrong and therefore advocates text editors with fewer features than a typewriter from the 1920s.

yesterday

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Ask slashdot: Clusters on the cheap?

serviscope_minor serviscope_minor writes  |  more than 3 years ago

serviscope_minor (664417) writes "Dear Slashdotters,

A friend of mine has recently started a research group. As usual with these things, she is on a shoestring budget and has computational demands. The computational task is very parallel (but implementing it on GPUs is an open research problem and not the topic of research), and very CPU bound.

Can slashdotters advise on a practical way of getting really high bang for buck? The budget is about 4000 GBP (excluding VAT/sales tax), though it is likely that the system will be expanded later.

The computers will probably end up running a boring Linux distro and Sun GridEngine to manage batch processing (with home directories shared over NFS?)."
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Best removable storage filesystem for Linux?

serviscope_minor serviscope_minor writes  |  more than 4 years ago

serviscope_minor (664417) writes "What filesystem do you use for portable disks, especially large ones, under Linux? FAT is simply not very good. Using a proper filesystem (e.g. ext3) preserves the read/write permissions of the original machine which is rather annoying when the disk is moved to a different machine with differet user IDs. So is there a way to have a good filesystem that supports all the unixy things such as symlinks, and an execute bit, but does not require lots of chown'ing as root when moved to a different machine?"
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ARM Based netbook.

serviscope_minor serviscope_minor writes  |  more than 5 years ago

serviscope_minor (664417) writes "Shopping in Robert Dyas of all places (note to non English readers, this is a fairly generic hardware store and has only a small selection of electronics at best) I noticed Inkia ARM based netbooks being advertised, though careful readers will note that the specs seem to differ slightly. The specs are the usual netbook ones along with an 800x480 screen 64Meg RAM, 1G flash and a 400 (or maybe 533MHz) Samsung ARM processor and WinCE. So, it looks like the first non-x86 netbooks have arrived. Sadly, this one is rather expensive, being slightly cheaper than the EEE 2G, with a painfully small amount of RAM, less storage and battery power. But this brings up several interesting questions: are they going to get much cheaper, are there ones with more memory, and will it run OpenBSD? The specs are very similar to the Sharp Zaurus 3000 series which runs OpenBSD very well, but running Firefox in 64M is somewhat painful."
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Liquid explosives: no danger and no plot.

serviscope_minor serviscope_minor writes  |  more than 6 years ago

serviscope_minor (664417) writes "It has already been established in a previous article that bringing down an aircraft with liquid explosives mixed on a pllane would be very difficult. The men accused of the plot werer brought to trial and a verdict has now been reached. There was not enough evidence to convice any of them of targeting a plane. So apparently, there was not much evidence of a plot that could not have worked anyway."
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Good profiling tools for C/C++ unser un*x?

serviscope_minor serviscope_minor writes  |  more than 7 years ago

serviscope_minor (664417) writes "It should be well known to any developer that you should only optimize parts of a program which need optimizing. And the way to find those parts is through profiling. This simplifies one point: profiling is difficult. The obvious way is to enable profiling in the compiler and use gprof, but this has problems. Firstly there is no point in profiling a program without turning on -O3 (or which ever), since this can change the results dramatically. Secondly, -O3 will inline functions which can ruin profiling results by making them far too coarse. Even if it doesn't do this, there is no way of determining which part of a function is taking up all the time. So that brings me to my question: does anyone know of profiling tools which do not suffer from these problems? My platform is C++ (using g++) on Linux."
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serviscope_minor serviscope_minor writes  |  more than 7 years ago

serviscope_minor (664417) writes "You heard earlier today that Dell will be shipping Ubuntu on selected models. Naturally, this is interesting to slashdotters. However, the interest generated by a wider audience will ultimately be more important. Well, apparently, this is the 3rd most popuar topic on the BBC at the moment. So apparently this is interesting to a general audience. I believe that this bodes very well for the future."

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