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Facebook To DEA: Stop Using Phony Profiles To Nab Criminals

sjames Re:Children. (210 comments)

DEA would be singing a hell of a different tune.

We're above the law and you can't sue. Doo-Da, Doo-Da!"

5 hours ago
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Facebook To DEA: Stop Using Phony Profiles To Nab Criminals

sjames Re:Government Dictionary (210 comments)

Actually, if the government ignores the Constitution, it ceases to be the government. It's just another pack of thugs. Thus everything they do is illegal, it's just that there's nobody to arrest and prosecute them at this time.

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Facebook To DEA: Stop Using Phony Profiles To Nab Criminals

sjames Re:Government Dictionary (210 comments)

Or using regular sales techniques on someone who is clearly trying to kick the habit?

Perhaps hoping to trigger an impulse buy?

Cop dresses like dealer, someone asks to buy drugs: not entrapment. Cop dresses like dealer and offers you drugs: entrapment

5 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

But it doesn't. The patches are named like 11_man_halt8.patch

So no, I don't care to search your haystack for a needle. If you know so much about it, show me the needle you claim is there.

5 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:What? (508 comments)

That doesn't sound like a very good reason. It also sounds like they have no idea what requirements users have for ntpd (many applications WILL not use a new ntpd at all until it has been exhaustively tested). And they wonder why so many object so strenuously.

If they were at all cleaver, they would have systemd issue the needed SIGUSR/SIGHUP. After all, the old init scripts manage to do that.

6 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

So it should be a piece of cake to show me the patch, but you failed. Perhaps you have no idea what is what.

6 hours ago
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Cell Transplant Allows Paralyzed Man To Walk

sjames Re:I'm still waiting... (123 comments)

REALLY?!? So they cannot do any of the things necessary to actually have a sample of embryonic stem cells but it's perfectly legal to do the research should such a sample magically come into being because someone wished real hard?!?

7 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

You ARE confused. Please do apt-get source sysvinit and point me to a patch that addresses a bug in the upstream code (hint, there isn't one).

An RFE is in no sense a bug.

What the patches DO show is startpar being added in. That is, the ability for the init to happen in parallel.

But note, I don't advocate staying with the old unimproved sysvinit forever, just until a truly superior solution that doesn't try to own the world is ready to go.

7 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:What? (508 comments)

That is no surprise. The systemd project has repeatedly demonstrated that they have no discipline at all when dealing with dependencies.

9 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:This could be really good for Debian (508 comments)

Was it really that hard to change the symlink name to enforce rpcbind coming after networking?

9 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

Don't confuse bugs in an individual distro's scripts for bugs in the underlying init maintained upstream.

9 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

You seem a bit confused. Those bugs are not something upstream can or should be looking in to. That would be like blaming the bash team for a bug in your script. Naturally each distro has their own different sysVinit package, each wants to boot a little differently.

As for the rest, Gentoo and Slackware are existing systemd-less distros. Currently, Jessie has it as optional, so creating a fork would be a matter or removing a few packages from the repo. If the GR doesn't pass, it might not stay that way, but that isn't a problem for the next 3 years.

9 hours ago
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

Or that there are no known bugs to fix and haven't been in ages.

That's what happens when you follow the KISS principle.

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:What? (508 comments)

Your point seems to be, "new stuff requires new debugging methods on failure, avoid new stuff."

My point is new things should HAVE an effective debugging technique.

I am fine with replacing or greatly updating SysV. I simply don't see systemd as an improvement on the balance. Its wrongs outweigh its rights.

As an aside, most competent admins wouldn't be "resorting" to the kludge you describe, and will probably just stare and you and blink rapidly when told doing so is supposed to be a good thing.

I guess they think the answer is to stay down while they do a total re-install without understanding what was wrong then?

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

The way you talk, it seems you are not only pleased to have systemd but deliriously happy that the people who don't want it may get stuck with it. Who pissed in your corn flakes?

As for the rest, TFA suggests that people are preparing to do the needed thing.

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:A rather empty threat (508 comments)

Even SysVinit isn't in such a hot state, it haven't made a release in five years, and the defacto upstream maintainers have been SUSE/Reed Hat for years. At some point they will drop maintaining it anymore.

So it hasn't actually needed a change in years (meaning it is fully matured) but you're worried that there isn't enough manpower to churn the code (that needs no churning)?!?

Why in the world would Xorg need systemd? It doesn't need it now.

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:UNIX Philosophy (508 comments)

SysV init (known as init for the rest of this post) is quite simple. It has just a few things that it is instructed to restart if it exit (the gettys for the system console and optionally serial console), and a display manager such as GDM. Then there's a line that makes it call rc.S with the runlevel whenever that changes. Beyond that, init just reaps any child processes that end up parented to it.

rc.S is a script that just looks at /etc/tc?.d where ? is the selected runlevel and runs the scripts that start with S in the order natural order (fixed by adding two digits so that S80foo starts before S81bar. It passes 'start' as the parameter to the script.

In addition, rc scripts starting with K are called with 'stop' as the parameter.

Done.

Should you want/need a parallel startup, modify rc.S (Debian Wheezy does that).

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:its not a claim, its a fact of life. (508 comments)

Except it's not. /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-networkd

And those are all entirely independent of systemd?

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:This could be really good for Debian (508 comments)

They already had a working init system. Not all new and shiny, but perfectly functional. They had the option to stick with it while advocating for a better choice to be created. Or pick just about anything that discourages the growing hairball.

yesterday
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Debian's Systemd Adoption Inspires Threat of Fork

sjames Re:What? (508 comments)

In the past, I have resorted to booting with init=/bin/bash and then running the rc scripts by hand to see the problem. Systemd won't even try to work if it isn't pid1, and it can't be if I booted init=/bin/bash.

In other cases, I have booted to shell, mounted up the filesystems and then did /etc/init/d/ssh start so I could get a second opinion. Try that with systemd.

In any number of cases, I have had to set something up that the system scripts and configs didn't (and couldn't have) anticipated. It was a simple matter of editing a few init scripts...

Imagine the 'fun' if you need to boot to a rescue disk, chroot into the server filesystem and bring up services while you fix a problem.

These 'heroic' measures come up when a server is in a lights out environment hours away. Sometimes the best approach is to get it to limp along until regular hours.

yesterday

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