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Seattle Passes Laws To Keep Residents From Wasting Food

thunderclap Re:100s of train cars, every day (383 comments)

A vital detail that those outside the city (and many within it) don't know - and of course won't get from the inflammatory OMG! NANNY STATE! headline/summary - is that the City of Seattle doesn't have a local landfill. Hasn't for many years; there's no nearby space. Instead, all garbage is loaded onto train cars - hundreds of them a day - and sent by rail to a landfill in rural Oregon, about 250 miles away. That was the cheapest alternative for the city, even though it involves paying twice (once to transport it, and again to the landfill operator). But it's still expensive. Given that it's in the best interest of the City _and_ its ratepayers to reduce the amount of landfillable waste (aka number of train cars) in favor of more economic alternatives; specifically, recycling and composting, both of which are able to be handled within a few dozen miles of the city, at much lower cost than the landfill trains. The alternative is to have even more and longer trains and higher rates for garbage for everyone. Kind of the opposite of a nanny state; this is pure and simple economics. If the spectre of a few $1 fines for the few residents who can't be bothered to separate their greasy pizza boxes into another bin makes everyone's garbage rates lower, then I'm all for it.

Thats BS. Seattle has no landfill because it doesn't want one. Not because there is no space. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_City_Light
http://faculty.georgetown.edu/...
http://www.economist.com/node/...
(from 2007) http://seattletimes.com/.../20...
(2012) http://your.kingcounty.gov/sol...
OP is referencing this: http://www.seattle.gov/finance...
That's the problem: wastefull goverment mismanagement when they could make a deal with those nearby.

about a week ago
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Seattle Passes Laws To Keep Residents From Wasting Food

thunderclap Re:This has nothing to do with wasting food (383 comments)

Actually, as soon as the garbage men show up, it's the governemnt's trash. I don't see why they shouldn't be free to do whatever they want with their property.

If it's the government's trash, why are they threatening ME with a fine if THEIR trash has too much food waste in it?

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to segreagate your waste according to the government's specifications. You're always free to load your garbage in your car, find a privately run landfill who will accept it as-is, and bring it there.

Oh but they are. What do you think that fine, no matter how small it is, is for? Its to force you to segreagate your waste according to the government's specifications because most don't have the time to drive to the 920-acre Cedar Hills Regional Landfill, located in Maple Valley, about 20 miles southeast of Seattle.
Or the Roosevelt landfill, above the Columbia River Gorge.
Or the Rabanco landfill in Klickitat County.

about a week ago
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Seattle Passes Laws To Keep Residents From Wasting Food

thunderclap Re:Another terrible article courtesy of samzenpus (383 comments)

Not a good explanation at all, just a clumsy attempt to justify poor writing.

When the vast majority of the population talks of 'wasting food' they mean one thing - allowing otherwise edible material to become inedible. What happens AFTER it becomes inedible does not matter in the slightest. It does not matter if you put the stuff into the trash or compost, as far as being FOOD it has been wasted.

A headline of 'Seattle Passes Law to Encourage Recycling Organic Material' would actually convey what happened. You may or may not agree with such a law, but at least you know what it is.

A headline of 'Seattle Passes Law to Keep Residents From Wasting Food' tells you NOTHING about what they actually did. Are they going to restrict how many groceries a family can buy? Are they going to check your refrigerator to make sure you don't let leftovers go bad? Are they going to fine you for discard any food? The only reason to write such a stupid headline is as flamebait.

No, A better headline would be: Seattle Passes Law to Force Recycling Organic Material' You don't encourage people with a fine. A fine is a punishment for failing to do what is told. Seattle wants people to recycle so they can make compost. My question is why?

about a week ago
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Seattle Passes Laws To Keep Residents From Wasting Food

thunderclap Re:Another terrible article courtesy of samzenpus (383 comments)

Please people, before you mod damn_registrars up, take a look at his comments. He's just harassing samzenpus.

This article certainly is about wasting food.

Landfill - a place to dispose of refuse and other waste material by burying it and covering it over with soil, especially as a method of filling in or extending usable land.

If you put extra food in a landfill it becomes waste. If you put extra food into a compost bin, it becomes fertilizer. If you are putting extra food into the landfill you get a ticket. Therefor you are getting ticketed for "Wasting" food. It's not hard.

You ignored one problem. A landfill is a hole in the GROUND .
Food going there still becomes compost. Its just not accessible to the city. The city wants the compost for something and is willing to fine citizens for it. For what is a valid question. The post is still poorly crafted.

about a week ago
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Seattle Passes Laws To Keep Residents From Wasting Food

thunderclap Re:Another terrible article courtesy of samzenpus (383 comments)

MSNBC has conservative bias? You mean against Conservatives, right. MSNBC is so hard core liberal that they would allow a serial killer on a show if he spouted their ideology.

about a week ago
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Small Restaurant Out-Maneuvers Yelp In Reviews War

thunderclap Re:Yelp is an example of free-market failure (249 comments)

"The damn government won't let me" is just an excuse for the weak. A really annoyed liberal anarchist is not afraid to use the ammo box.

Or a car for that manner. A really athletic but annoyed liberal anarchist would leap over a fence and burst through the unlocked North Portico doors.

about two weeks ago
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Small Restaurant Out-Maneuvers Yelp In Reviews War

thunderclap Re:Only cost them 25 percent of customer bills? (249 comments)

But they paid for reviews. So after paying Yelp! to shill for them unsuccessfully, they paid customers to shill for them.

I fail to see how anyone in this story acted non-shittily.

I fail to see this as a problem. They beat yelp at its own game. Good for them.

about two weeks ago
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U2 and Apple Collaborate On 'Non-Piratable, Interactive Format For Music'

thunderclap Re:Apple's new streaming service? (358 comments)

The only way to make something unpiratable is to have it be a continuous interaction between a client and a server where you control the server.

I guess this music "format" is essentially going to be Apple's answer to Pandora, Spotify, et al.

ROTFLOL. The moment that music leaves the speakers, I can have a microphone capture it and funnel it back into another recording device.

about two weeks ago
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U2 and Apple Collaborate On 'Non-Piratable, Interactive Format For Music'

thunderclap Re:Expert. (358 comments)

Dear Bono,

If your song can be played, it can be pirated.

Sadly His music wasn't because more people deleted his album than kept it. And why would anyone want interactive liner notes? Does anyone actually read the liner notes anyway. (I mean uberfans do but I am not talking about them).
Music is sound and sound can be copied. If it couldn't, he would simply be blind Mr. Hewson from Finglas who sings a bit much in the pub.

about two weeks ago
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U2 and Apple Collaborate On 'Non-Piratable, Interactive Format For Music'

thunderclap Re:Expert. (358 comments)

I can screen cap a pixelmags mag and reassemble it and make another pdf out if it. Honestly, If you know linux you can defeat anything on the android platform. Especially considering Bluestacks exists as a android OS for Desktops. So they are just handwaving. As for the apple product, these things can work perfectly but if no one buys them (10000 or less is still no one) then it fails and it doesn't matter. One group of 5 people who all the time they want and desire to break it open (and the skill to do it) can beat a multimillion company whose workers are paid living wages (or less in foreign countries) any day.

about two weeks ago
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U2 and Apple Collaborate On 'Non-Piratable, Interactive Format For Music'

thunderclap Re:Expert. (358 comments)

(Although of course if given the choice these guys want the product lifespan to be the heat death of the universe.) Which is why the stuff is crackable within the first year. No new platform as survived 5 yrs yet. Very few survived their first year.

about two weeks ago
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U2 and Apple Collaborate On 'Non-Piratable, Interactive Format For Music'

thunderclap Re:The Titanic is UNSINKABLE. (358 comments)

Devil's advocate of the parent.
I will agree with your statement on its face. However, the reasons are simple. The PS4, Xbox One, and others don't have enough interesting content to require the amount of time involved to completely break them open.
As for the blu-ray, yes it has been fully cracked. HDCP master key was leaked in september of 2010 http://forums.afterdawn.com/th... if you want a more detailed explanation. Those multiple players were broke to the point Sony stopped selling them. http://hardware.slashdot.org/s... (that master key computer chip. It exists.) There is a commercial product that allows ripping of Blu-ray dvds now called AnyDVD.
This doesn't mean people haven't attempted opening them up. http://pastebin.com/QDeRQiMY is the location of the attempt 5 days after the launch of the PS4. Idiot tweeted it and Sony nailed him to the wall. So the files are buried in the Darknet (where cp silk road and the true bottom of the barrel exists) now.
http://www.breathecast.com/art... This is the current news on the XBoxOne hack attempts. While it was a red herring it means there are people actively trying.

My point is that a) there is no technology that can be used to block the willfull copying of something, if someone truly wants to. Bono is completely clueless. He is to piracy what Jennie McCarthy is to doctors trying to immunize children.
As for apple with out Jobs, it will suffer the EXACT same thing that has happened to all other formats that people discover aren't easily manipulable. No one will buy enough to warrant it remaining. It will fail. Just like 3d TV failed. Just like HD DVD failed. Until Hollywood accepts that their will acceptable losses on all products sold and stuff is allowed to return to the public domain this will continue.

about two weeks ago
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Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died

thunderclap Re:How many warrant canaries are allowed? (236 comments)

One warrant canary conveys 1 bit of data. How many are allowed? Has anyone gotten away with using more than one?

1.5 x 10 to the 10th power

about two weeks ago
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Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died

thunderclap Re:besides... (236 comments)

It can't be Apple - they download WESTERN music to your phone, without your permission, which could GET YOU KILLED.

Only if you are playing in the middle east or another area with similar values. Besides how did you get a phone and account there anyway?

about two weeks ago
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Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died

thunderclap Re:Not completely gone (236 comments)

Apparently (I haven't read the source docs myself), there is some similar language -- suggesting that some type of order has been served on Apple, so the canary is perhaps not dead yet -- just pining for the fjords [yes, I know, not really the correct use of this phrase].

To date, Apple has not received any orders for bulk data

What's missing is a specific reference to Section 215, suggesting that a limited Section 215 order has been served on Apple.

If its pining for the fjords then it is in fact dead. 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This canary is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! 'E's be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! He's f*ckin' snuffed it!..... THIS IS AN EX CANARY!!

about two weeks ago
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When Scientists Give Up

thunderclap Re:Move To China (348 comments)

agreed. The only country to successfully get anything to land and stay operational on Mars is US. Not the EU, China, Russia or India. (yes, India has a space program)

about three weeks ago
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The Exoplanets That Never Were

thunderclap Re:Red dwarfs form from so little matter (31 comments)

If we ignited Jupiter, what would happen to the moons orbiting it? Hmm, they would be consumed. That's why red dwarves (hi ho!) have no planets around them.

about three weeks ago
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The Exoplanets That Never Were

thunderclap Re:So close, and yet so far away. (31 comments)

Yea, and yet those evil people in Taiji keep killing them. Its our job to protect the dolphins so can explore the universe. We certainly aren't.

about three weeks ago

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