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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

"Terrorist thugs" like in this case? You see I happen to understand the fact that flying trough war zones is dangerous and when one has a chance one should avoid them so that whoever could become guilty of shooting at innocent person just flying by, should not have the chance at it. Ukrainian gov knows what is going on there, Russian too, with all lambasting about terrorists in there, having long range weaponry they still allowed aircraft in.

This is a common pattern. Thugs that 'we' support can go enjoy a rout of ethnic cleansing and nobody does anything against it, nobody wants to remember. You can ask Serbs from Krajina - but they were guilty right? Maybe that is better in some bigger picture. I hope that it is because all these senseless killing is in one way or the other supported by us in the West even if we have no say in those matters.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

Where exactly did I blame the victims? Are traffic controllers or airline bosses victims? The passangers had no choice as they did not even know what danger looms on the route. It was captain duty to get informed, traffic controllers duty to divert and airlines management to give advice and tell crews to avoid dangerous areas. This has not been done and people with guns made terrible decision with terrible consequences. In which part is this view blaming the victims?

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

Nice distortion field you have there. That is actually the main reason I observe this conflict. It is the first time I can see shills from two sites in action and affecting even third party systems like the one from Angela M. that was abused by somebody this week. It is almost funny if it were not so tragic at the same time - all these shit storms on TE forums every time an article mentioning Russia or Ukraine is published. Even regular media are affected which may indicate that they lost credibility. I switched to al-Jazeera of late for at least I know they have skewed perception. It is almost funny to watch experts excluding reasonable options to fit into their perception of reality. Propaganda at its best. I never thought we would go this far but that is of course only a logical development of the pipes.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

this is a fallacy. Rebels however reasonable they may be, are under attack of Ukrainian army. They use any means available to protect themselves. I do not believe they are competent enough in servicing BUK or what else this shit is called to determine what they shoot at and quite frankly I do not care. This is a war zone with many unreasonable people equipped quite nicely in things that among other shoot planes down as we have seen in the news for months now. Ukrainian government, military and internet shills blather about those terrorists for months now and still nobody cares to divert civilian traffic routes from area affected by frequent shooting down of military aircraft and now it is this Putin that is solely responsible - are you fucking joking me?

This world is not a nice place. We know it is so. Sending civilian traffic over east of Ukraine qualifies as manslaughter. Similarly as letting a naive person into a hungry lions cage. What the heck were they expecting to happen with these BUK systems that rebels stole from Ukrainian army? I mean it is not first time they used them or?

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

I have no friendly interpretations of shooting at people. If people are shot at then they tend to die. Sometimes one has no choice, whether this was the case I just do not know. Traffic control has some degree of influence over what is going on there - after all they had no-fly zone already in place only that it reached short below 10km. They also can tell the crews to do things like avoid particular areas or face consequences - in normal conditions this invokes close inspection by fighter jets and nothing else, I think we had that in UK last year. In war zone that is entirely different matter. Whether I am friends or not with the rebels or Ukraine - if I am a traffic controller I would not send planes over area where there is strong anti-aircraft activity as we know there was over last few days and weeks. Airlines and crews themselves have also something to say about this - captain can say 'och fuck I am not going to fly this route as it is too dangerous'. With civilian air transport there is such a degree of security that it takes quite a lot of stupidity, recklessness and bad luck in many different places at the same time to get shot down as was the case here. If that was a direct flight between Shiphol and KL then they could have flown slightly to the left or to the right and avoid the problem altogether with no measurable additional cost. Alas they did not and now we have all the media bitching about how Russians are guilty. There are many more fuckup points in this tragedy than Putin or terrorists on the ground as they are called by some. But modern media are entertainment and a tool for the powerful and not the control tool for democracy (which we do not have even in our democratic countries - what we get sold is a lesser version called representative democracy but that is another thing).

As for rebels if they have any sense at all they would check if this was their rocket (which most likely it was as they reported it before) apologize and claim that the aircraft was not supposed to be there in the first place - declare no fly zone etc.

It really bothers me that neither Ukrainian, nor Russian traffic control (who else is involved there?) nor rebels nor airlines nor captain had enough brains to prevent this.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

You again use that word which I think is not appropriate. I refuse to lead discussion on this level. Not because I like the rebels or believe in their goals but because I know enough about terrorism and I see no evidence of that so far. BTW: Poland did not have the problem that bothers Ukraine - multi-ethnic society. With all the PC about people living together the evidence is that when times are hard - the guilty is the guy on the other side. That you could see in Yugoslavia before it fell apart and it is to see in Ukraine. You could possibly get the situation under control without use of heavy weaponry but for this not only gov. in Kiev would have to recognize that Russian citizens of Ukraine have rights too even if the use of these rights would have to mean federalization of the country etc. We will never know now as we do not talk with terrorists do we?

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Wait for it... (751 comments)

that is assuming that military units not only just do their duties, do not use drugs while on duty and are competent but also that their HW does what it is supposed to do and their commanders do not accept too much of collateral damage. Other than that I know no military that would not take a shot if they could - US and Russia and others I am sure - did that in the past. The world is a bad place.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

I double checked - my post did not refer to Malaysia. I think traffic controllers over Ukrainian air space are still paid by Ukraine. I admit however that Malaysian airlines take part of the blame - why was their airplane flying over war zone where planes are shot down any other day even if traffic control allowed it? I mean even if I had trust in any military, which I do not, I would try to avoid risk if possible which is - not to fly over places with crazy people having weapons that can destroy my planes. I missed that part of argument in my post tho so what the hell are you talking about?

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

Any available in Germany. The point is this: after all these years I spent in a communist country I start having doubts if reports about one side of a conflict are so uniform while facts are so limited an confusing. Credibility of a source is lower when it constantly use derogatory terms to one side. That was a sign of bad propaganda in a communist country I once lived in. Bottom line is: one can do your PR better without calling people names. there is also this little suspicion that not only Russian 50c brigade is at work here. I do not trust Russians but I have very little illusions about the other sides of the conflict: Ukrainian state is just a cradle of corruption that people on the ground try to remove once in a while only to be served another portion of the same. US reaction to this all, at least that what we can see in media, fits into `these are our basterds so we have to careful not to support them too much and keep their incompetence and corruption in check` scenario. I watch this all with interest especially ever since I read this. This is actually the reason I think U-R conflict belongs very much so to /. how media are used to pump us with pseudoinformation. Watching from aside Russia seems to be losing PR contest.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:is "developing" news appropriate? (751 comments)

there are nerds that do not leave their cellar and there are nerds that do not leave their cellar but are interested in such events anyways.If you do not like it do not read it.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Confused. (751 comments)

I see it differently. What I see is incredible spin from 'both' sides of the conflict. Any article on the subject in TE gets amount of trolling and flaming I have not seen there ever. Both sides have apparently their squads of posters ready and fixed with beverages and pizza. This aspect of course is not discussed yet but I think this is a new quality in media war.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

yes I keep on hearing about terrorists and yet the majority of reports of civilian deaths till now are associated with actions of Ukrainian military and support units (whether that were National Guard or right wing militia is impossible to tell from outside of the country). If I look at other news where terrorism is mentioned this makes me think unholy things like Kiev government is hell bound on getting its rights back whatever the cost. Bottom line by calling these people terrorists for more than a half a year I consider claims of terrorism just for what it most likely is i.e. propaganda.

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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

you mean traffic controllers sending civilian planes over to a place where military planes are regularly shot down is quite out of responsibility? I think Russia and Russian rebels face a massive PR disaster but do not carry full responsibility for the deaths. Come to think of it one can get to unholy thoughts.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Ah. (751 comments)

or as Ukraine admitted some time ago rebels just took it from army stores. This is a land where not all military was convinced about sense infighting with people that were determined to get their objective. This is also one of the reasons Ukrainian military was changing commanders so often and on the ground is supported by affiliated forces of national guard, right wing militias and as German intelligence seems to be believe US company that used to be called blackwater. This is not an excuse for anybody but if a country slips into civil war it usually also means no full control of its armed forces and depos. The question also remains how the fuck it was possible that in view of rebel possession of BUK the no-fly zone was limited to 9km or so and what serious airline would chose to fly over such a zone in view of shooting of airplanes by rebels.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (751 comments)

perfect PR spectacle which in turn may give us a reason to speculate (on whose side were traffic controllers who allowed flying over a war zone etc).

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Wait for it... (751 comments)

which if they have any sense they would be claiming in the open - as they have no control over air space other then shooting things randomly, pushing the responsibility to traffic control that allows flying over war zone and airlines saving money on shortest route. Even if this were an Ukrainian provocation this is a better PR strategy then anything else. Anything else and this will be a PR catastrophe bigger than anything Russia and separatists can handle now. After all shooting of Iranian planes by US navy over Persian gulf is a fair deal is it not...

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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Wait for it... (751 comments)

apparently there is a no-fly zone there but it ends at 9750m or so - the planes are flying just above the zone which is just a silly and as we see it has consequences.

5 days ago
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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

umghhh Re:Wait for it... (751 comments)

this should not be a such a big surprise - rebels have the weapons that they got from Ukrainian army and possibly also from across the border (although direct involvement of of Russian military or in general government is unproven till now. They are also the only ones there under air assault (from Ukrainian air force) so any shooting into planes is done done by rebels who also happened to have the BUK which is good enough. The question is why with all this knowledge civilian airplanes were allowed there and why airlines knowing very well about the situation still accepted to fly just above the no fly zone. Either stupidity or provocation or both as this always works best.

5 days ago
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US House Passes Permanent Ban On Internet Access Taxes

umghhh Re:a bit of legislative history (148 comments)

I think they still can - the ban is on tax if they introduce a fee this is allowed then. Problem solved.

about a week ago

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Does piracy actually hurt music industry?

umghhh umghhh writes  |  more than 3 years ago

umghhh (965931) writes "Well if you believe the article (and why would we not?) the figures on sales of CDs are really bad of late but the music industry in general makes a splash.
The question then may be: what are new sources of revenue and new business models (besides legal action against young and elderly) — well read the linked article if you want to know!
I suppose RIAA and other parasites do not realize their time is coming."

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