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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (109 comments)

I'm not apologising for Nokia, in fact I have no interest in them, Blackberry nor any other corporation for that matter. What failure is there to excuse? The backers of this project want the device to be built for their own personal use. It's a niche product, there's no other agenda. Now that the 200 pre-orders milestone has been met, the devices will be built so this project is already a success.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re: resistive touchscreen Luddites. (109 comments)

The primary reason why it's resistive is that they are reusing the screen from the N900.

I wouldn't refer to the N9's screen as a rectification. A resistive screen is a good choice for an Internet Tablet and a capacitive screen is a good choice for a smart phone.

IMHO, a resistive screen plus stylus is the better choice to replace a desktop mouse in a mobile device that aims to be a fully functional computer.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:This is the beginning (109 comments)

It might be different from the typical Android vendor but the Neo900 is not aiming to be an Android replacement.

Have you ever tried running normal Linux tasks on Android such as compiling a C program, "ssh -X", running strace, etc.? Ever tried running X11 or Wayland instead of SurfaceFlinger? I think you'll find that Android's environment is not very well suited for these kind of tasks. Google's chose to use Bionic libc making Android makes it largely incompatible with the desktop and server Linux we know and love. Firefox OS is based on Android and also uses Bionic libc. Most regular Linux apps require extensive modification if you want to build them to run Android. These same apps can be recompiled for Debian ARM or Maemo 5 with little or no modification at all.

Of course if Android is your thing, the Neo900 is expected to run the Replicant variant which is already running on the GTA04 that it is based on.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:Price. (109 comments)

The price of motherboard without the case expected to be in the 500-700 EUR range. Yes it's expensive compared to devices of similar specifications but that's due to the low production volumes. That's the price you must pay if you want a fully featured Linux computer in your pocket.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:This is the beginning (109 comments)

If you think you can compare the Fairphone to the Neo900 then you have failed to understand the concept behind the Neo900. The Fairphone is just another Android phone. The Neo900 is for people who are fed up with the closed, walled garden approaches of Android and iOS and want the power of a general purpose computer in their pocket. The device is expected to ship with Debian GNU/Linux with support for Maemo 5 coming later when it's ready. The hardware keyboard and stylus also help to give it that desktop feel.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (109 comments)

There are many of us so these numbers are to be expected.

Whoops. That should read "There aren't many of us so these numbers are to be expected."

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (109 comments)

That's "mass production" as in producing in bulk, i.e. not producing one-off prototypes which is very expensive. 200 devices is the minimum they need to produce the boards in bulk. This is a niche, community project aimed at FOSS and/or open hardware enthusiasts who want the flexibility of a general purpose PC on their mobile phones. There are many of us so these numbers are to be expected.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:Better, but still flooded marketplace. (109 comments)

The keyboard has three rows because they are reusing the N900 case. It certainly beats any virtual keyboard for typing. Feel free to mod it if you want a four row keyboard - the motherboard design will be completely open.

about 8 months ago
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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

wick3t Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (109 comments)

Have you actually used the N900 touchscreen? There are many bad resistive touchscreens but the N900's is not one of them. The FAQ explains why the resistive touch screen is the superior choice for the target audience of this device. Remember that this device is not trying to compete with Android or iOS but it's aim is to provide functionality that you would find in a general purpose computer, hence multi-touch in not a priority.

about 8 months ago
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Time For a Hobbyist Smartphone?

wick3t Neo900 (207 comments)

Too bad Nokia quit making fun phones. The last was the N900. I'd love to have a new phone similar to that with modern specs.

It seems that you haven't heard of the Neo900 project which aims to deliver just that.

about a year ago
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HP Discontinue OpenVMS

wick3t A sad moment in the history of computing (238 comments)

I consider myself to be very fortunate to have had the opportunity to experience such a wonderful operating system. I'm probably very young compared to most VMS system managers, my first experience of VMS was about 7 years ago. My first impressions were that it seemed quite antiquated (mostly due to the lack of a modern shell) but as I began to learn more, it became a breath of fresh air compared to anything I had ever used. I began to discover features, flexibility and power that make other modern operating systems seem primitive. I can only hope that it will now be open sourced as it would a great shame to loose such a unique operating system that offers so much that others don't.

about a year ago
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Of the Love of Oldtimers - Dusting Off a Sun Fire V1280 Server

wick3t Re:I must be getting old (281 comments)

The architecture of the V1280 is sun4u, not sun4v. Logical Domains are not supported on sun4u processors.

about a year and a half ago
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Android Ice Cream Sandwich SDK Released

wick3t Embrace, extend, extinguish? (309 comments)

So Google suck in various OEMs and open source enthusiasts, release two major upgrades and still not release the source code? I'll stick with MeeGo/Mer/Tizen, etc. thank you very much.

more than 2 years ago
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Installing Android On an HP TouchPad

wick3t Re:WebOS is staying on my TouchPad (96 comments)

Actually development is very active and a webOS update for the TouchPad was released just today. This is better support than most Android OEMs who seldomly release any OS updates.

more than 2 years ago
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One Week: No Mouse, Just Keyboard

wick3t Re:touchscreens are worse (364 comments)

Seriously? Nokia's bad application design has nothing to do with touch screen usability. The beauty of the N900 is that it sets no limits to what you can do and you can easily use the command line to do everything. If you don't like Nokia's alarm application, install cron and use that.

more than 3 years ago
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Oracle's Newest Move To Undermine Android

wick3t Re:Why? (342 comments)

The magic happens in the byte code to byte code recompilation. Basically this means Android uses java's byte code as an object format. So unless there is something magical about providing interoperability and compatibility, which are absolutely, legally allowed, I'm not sure what Oracle is complaining about.

From what I understand, Google's patent infringements do not relate to the use of Java as a language or Java byte code to Dalvik conversion, but mostly relate to the general use and implementation of a virtual machine in general. .NET and its CLR do not use the Java language or require byte code conversion from Java yet Sun/Oracle still collect licence fees Microsoft due to patent infringements. To quote James Gosling from a recent interview:

Microsoft .NET just smears over a huge pile of Sun patents. When they did the .NET design, they basically cut and pasted from the Java spec. The way that they did CLR, you know they swizzled the way the instruction set went but the way this thing really operated, they exercised essentially no creativity when coming up with .NET. They've done some things since then that have been kind of good but as part of the various court cases we ended up with this rather odd patent deal with them that involved them paying us fairly tasty amounts of money. And I'm sure that the lawyers looked at the Microsoft numbers and said, yeah I want that from Google.

more than 3 years ago
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Intel Porting Android To x86 For Netbooks and Tablets

wick3t Re:Meego? (163 comments)

I personally prefer the direction Intel was going with Moblin/Meego to Android. I wonder if this means Intel is going to leave Meego development up to Nokia?

I suspect both MeeGo and Android x86 are just part of Intel's plan to drive the Atom market. At the end of the day, they probably don't really care what OS is running on it.

more than 4 years ago
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iPhone 4 News Roundup

wick3t Re:Here's your roundup (568 comments)

Life is really too short to be idealistic about freaking phone apps.

I agree, but that's the reason I chose not to buy an iPhone. My N900 which runs Linux allows me to install anything I like, and with Easy Debian installed I have access to thousands of ARM Linux apps. So far, I've been able to take the source and build anything I've needed that's not available in the repositories.

more than 4 years ago

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Neo900 hacker phone reaches minimum number of pre-orders for production

wick3t wick3t writes  |  about 8 months ago

wick3t (787074) writes "The Neo900 fundraising campaign has already achieved the milestone of 200 pre-orders which means that mass production is now feasible. This follows a successful first prototype that was showcased at the OpenPhoenux-Hard-Software-Workshop 2013. Their next target is 1000 pre-orders as they aspire to reduce the production costs of each device."

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