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Student Expelled From Montreal College For Finding "Sloppy Coding"

zanian Re:I was in shock... (633 comments)

yes, but remember this story is 2nd hand and I often don't listen so intently when I talk to my friend about such things. This was also about 3 months ago and I've been overseas for about 8, so there is often a lot to talk about when I actually get around to calling my friends.

about 2 years ago
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Student Expelled From Montreal College For Finding "Sloppy Coding"

zanian Re:Ridiculous (633 comments)

Matthew 28:19-20:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: / Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Same goes for Christianity. Your friends going around telling people about the good news are actually being good Christians. Also, I've never heard of any Islamic people in the Western World telling others they can't be Christian. Hmmm, maybe because the Islamic people you are talking about are called FUNDAMENTALISTS (you have them in Christianity too, fyi).

And don't give us this bullshit by singling out Islam. The majority of the "problems" you would describe, if you were to actually show some examples, are created by social differences and are always the result of both sides not willing to compromise. The majority of Turks, for example, in Germany were given work permits because Germany desperately needed workers in the 70s. Their failure to integrate is a problem for both sides, on one hand, some Germans refusing to accept that these people have different histories, coming from different cultural backgrounds. Moreover, the integration programs that were put into place were not good enough to encourage people to break from there social communities, which in many ways, is defined by their religion. Yet, it is very evident that Turkish people segregated themselves in a large way in different communities. The general argument can be boiled down to: "they didn't integrate." "Well, you didn't let them." However, if this was not the case, Berlin wouldn't be the city it is today, nor would Vienna. The same goes for Arabic peoples in France, the Netherlands and many other European countries. Also, Arabs in France are also the result of French intolerance in places like Algeria, for example.

How is it not clear to you that Christians caused the same problems among different sects for centuries until Western Democratic society smoothed these tensions over to a reasonable degree.

Lastly, fuck you and your religion. Neither you, nor it is endangered by Islam. And, maybe you should risk exposure to another culture, it might actually open your eyes or at least make you realize when it would be smarter to hide your racist views from the public.

about 2 years ago
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Student Expelled From Montreal College For Finding "Sloppy Coding"

zanian Re:I was in shock... (633 comments)

I don't remember the extent to which it was a break in and I dare not ask my friend again so I can post on slashdot (he might not be so happy about it), however, I know that the flaw was discovered while they were trying to find ways to get the information they wanted. I also remember it being an SQL injection, but I don't want to go on record saying that because I'm not 100% sure (my friend was also telling me that same day that the other guy, who didn't get expelled, was using an SQL injection to break in to the Pizza Pizza system and remove his order so he could then call them up and say he had placed an order that hadn't arrived yet, resulting in free pizza).

Just as unreliable as the article is my anecdotal evidence and I agree with your comment. I do know for certain that they were looking for ways to steal the information they needed, which they succeeded in doing with some sort of exploit and which I remember to be an SQL injection, when they found this security flaw. I also think that, unlike what he claims, he did not notice that the link to one's profile/info was encrypted by simply accessing his student account, but rather that they found this huge database of SIN, names, addresses, etc... which they realized anyone could find working forward from their student account, the opposite of how they did it (working backwards from the database).

Lastly, I know for certain that the other guy (pizza exploiter) was using the info to hold Dawson by the balls in case they went after them for breaking in to the system. It should be noted that the other guy did not get expelled, even though he was pushing the whole operation and using the programmer's skills.

about 2 years ago
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Student Expelled From Montreal College For Finding "Sloppy Coding"

zanian I was in shock... (633 comments)

...when I read the title. I'm from Montreal, currently studying on exchange overseas. A few months back a friend of mine was telling me about an app him and some friends in a club at Dawson College were writing. I know a few of the guys personally because I was at some party with them back in September and I had heard a bit about how the project was going in the months following. All this to say, the story is complete bullshit.

Apparently, the school had originally offered to share some info that would help the guys making the app, but, coincidentally some company started developing something around the same time that was along the same lines so Dawson reneged on the deal. FTA:

Ahmed Al-Khabaz, a 20-year-old computer science student at Dawson and a member of the school’s software development club, was working on a mobile app to allow students easier access to their college account when he and a colleague discovered what he describes as “sloppy coding” in the widely used Omnivox software

The story goes, according to my friend, as such. Apparently, the programmer and one of the other guys decided they were just going to take the info, which was easy to do since Omnivox is such a terrible system, by breaking in. While doing this, they discovered the flaw and used it as leverage once the school noticed they had accessed the system and approached them. The other friend played innocent and the programmer got the flak for it, eventually being expelled.

This was by no means a white hacking deal. Also, these guys have been exploiting Dawson's system for a while to print for free and other such things.

It's interesting how many articles like this we get on slashdot. Just makes me wonder how easy it is to skew a story a certain way regarding a subject like programming which so many people know nothing about. If they found something, what were they doing looking in the first place? Well, sometimes people are just dicking around or curiously looking at how bad a system is, but sometimes they are - like in this case - breaking in to steal specific information for personal gain.

about 2 years ago
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Bradley Manning (WikiLeaks Source) Given Hearing After 2 Years In Jail

zanian Re:crime and punishment (369 comments)

Yeah, I should have mentioned I agreed with everything else and the American comment was not meant to bite or anything.

about 2 years ago
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Bradley Manning (WikiLeaks Source) Given Hearing After 2 Years In Jail

zanian Re:crime and punishment (369 comments)

Punishment. In civilized places we don't punish people. We attempt to rehabilitate them, and to prevent them from continuing to commit acts against others. But we don't punish them.

Not exactly. You're presenting a utilitarian model, while American law - based largely on the English Common Law system - tends to lean towards retributive justice, that attempts to punish in proportion to the crime's severity. While there are many aspects of what you are talking about in Common and American Law, saying that in civilized places we don't punish people is either a backhanded slap at your own legal system (I assume you are American because you said "we") or just false.

I'm only nit-picking because this is a serious philosophical debate about morality in law and making sweeping statements about the American legal system is way too common in my experience. This is a fucked up (but, not that surprising) situation because the guy has not gotten a trial and is being punished.

Yes, albeit a little exaggerated, here's a classic criticism of a utilitarian model of justice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEJRmoIDVc [youtube.com]

I couldn't find the scene where Alex is displayed to the other doctors, but that is a better example.

about 2 years ago
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Police Probing Theft of Millions of Pounds of Maple Syrup From Strategic Reserve

zanian Re:Maple Syrup Strategic Reserve? (399 comments)

Just moved to Austria and brought 7 cans of the stuff with me from Quebec... don't mess with our Maple syrup.

more than 2 years ago
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Supreme Court Approves Strip Searches For Any Arrestable Offense

zanian Re:Canada Here I Come (747 comments)

It's a South Park reference. The fictitious WGA (World Canadian Bureau) organized a Canadian strike in one episode.

I stand corrected.

more than 2 years ago
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Supreme Court Approves Strip Searches For Any Arrestable Offense

zanian Re:Canada Here I Come (747 comments)

Obviously, Canada is busy being on strike for more money.

I really hope you are joking (honestly can't tell) because it is really just the students of Quebec (I live in Montreal) who are on strike for more money, whereas the US has the nucleus of the Occupy movement.

more than 2 years ago
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Drug Turns Immune System Against All Tumor Types

zanian Re:Mouse != Human (330 comments)

While, you have a point

that mice and humans are different enough that most cures don't translate 1:1 to humans.

at least it has been tested on

human breast, ovary, colon, bladder, brain, liver, and prostate tumors that have been transplanted into mice

, rather than just on mice anatomy.

more than 2 years ago
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UK Student Jailed For Facebook Hack Despite 'Ethical Hacking' Defense

zanian "Ethical Hacker"? (356 comments)

I call bullshit. He "runs a tax registered security company," which means his motivation was largely if not entirely monetary. Hardly ethical.

more than 2 years ago
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Package Signing Comes To Pacman and Arch Linux

zanian Re:I tried, did I miss something? (103 comments)

naturally, the more you know before installing makes it easier, so I wouldn't say you missed anything. I use Arch and I love it, but I also don't mind having struggled with it for hours. Sounds to me like it's just not for you. The only things that make it easier are the great wiki and the forums.

more than 2 years ago
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3D Printer For Your Kids

zanian Re:so when (195 comments)

b) dildos

I doubt Bart and Beavis will be crafting one of these, but their mothers might. Talk about a choking hazard...

I think Cartman's mom is most likely to want that.

more than 3 years ago
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Best Buy Flexes Legal Muscles Over "Geek"

zanian News for Geeks (317 comments)

Good thing it's news for nerds over here.

more than 3 years ago
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Student Suspended For Posting On YouTube

zanian Re:Not funny (375 comments)

And he won't miss that much at prom. I remember mine very well because I was sober, as was my girlfriend. We got stuck helping some girl who didn't even go to our school to the hospital. Anyway, good luck Jack. You *are* learning a valuable lesson. What surprises me the most is that WAY worse things happened in my Canadian high school (i.e. teachers getting lit on fire, throwing chairs, unleashing a bunch of rats - all of which I was not a part of), resulting in not even a suspension. That this video "offended" the school is laughable.

I'm more shocked that this is a problem at a public school. I know the private schools in my area would have done something unreasonable, but a public school? Are you serious!?

more than 3 years ago
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What's Your College Major Worth?

zanian Re:unemployable majors? (433 comments)

Yes! I would mod you up if I hadn't commented earlier. Studying something you are passionate about gives you time to do stuff related to your degree, while also providing the tools to do so or it simply stimulates you to pursue interesting side projects. However, sometimes it is not just about the "journey, " like in your case, which resulted in a good job (and living situation) down the road. Thank you, very well said!

more than 3 years ago
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What's Your College Major Worth?

zanian Re:Liberal Arts Major (433 comments)

I actually agree with your argument. One should quit school in order to figure out what they really want to do. In fact I have made this argument to a bunch of my friends who started an undergraduate degree because their mommies and daddies thought it was a good idea. One of the reasons I mentioned my tuition costs is because it shows that I am not plummeting myself into debt (3000/year is not that hard to make on top of rent, which is also relatively cheap in Montreal).

I'm in this program because this *is* what I want to do. Obviously I am not asking anyone to agree with me (heck there is enough criticisms of the canon within my discipline, let alone outside of it) but this program is giving me a base in literature (and aesthetics), philosophy, history and poli sci. And, we actually read the texts in question, rather than being taught what, for example, Plato's Republic is about. It is not the case anymore, but it was not too long ago that the lines between these disciplines were rather blurry and that is why I think it is important, if you are interested in, say, literature, to have a base in these other fields.

While a Liberal Arts degree may not get me a job in the real world fresh out of my undergraduate (I am not being sarcastic), it is definitely a good thing to have if and when I apply to a Master's program in a more specific discipline. Also, I get to spend my years as an undergraduate figuring out what it is we've studied that interests me.

And as a side note, we read Darwin (Origin and Descent) this semester and it was awful. I actually didn't mind the reading (even if it is very dry), but you can imagine how a bunch of arts majors handled reading science.

more than 3 years ago

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