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I prefer my input devices to... (Score:5, Funny)
NOT be touchscreens.
The Trouble with Touchscreens (Score:2, Insightful)
Touchscreens could just become the single biggest public safety hazard of the 21st century. The user instructions on all the ones I have read (including popular ones such as the iPad) expressly forbid cleaning them with any sort of liquid other than water.
People have dirty hands. Sometimes very dirty hands. I rather doubt that a little water on a lint-free rag is going to remove the huge smudgy colonies of bacteria and other things that collect on them.
Re:The Trouble with Touchscreens (Score:5, Insightful)
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You are exactly right. I really think the reason we see so many super bugs is because of two things, people using antibiotics when they have the sniffles and the widespread use of anti-bacterial wipes and soaps.
Personally I love touchscreens, provides great flexibility. You aren't locked into using certain buttons for tasks that the designer didn't take into account especially now that hardware designers are not coordinating with app designers
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It's going to be hard for a bacteria to develop resistance to pure ethanol, etc.
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And what about your body?
Bro, PURE ETHANOL! Haven't you been to frat parties? We will inherit the earth, after eating food that has been in the fridge for months, not changing sheets for about a year and sleeping (or rather passing out cold) in the mud for years we are nearly invincible. Except for finals. They always manage to get us somehow...
Re:The Trouble with Touchscreens (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not advocating to turn your place in a landfill, but you shouldn't use disinfectant to much unless you are working with stuff (like poultry) potentially contaminated with dangerous bacteria (salmonella, e-coli etc.).
Re:The Trouble with Touchscreens (Score:5, Interesting)
Where did this sudden fear of germs come from in this country? Have you noticed this? The media constantly running stories about all the latest infections? Salmonella, E-coli, hanta virus, bird flu, and Americans will panic easily so everybody's running around scrubbing this and spraying that and overcooking their food and repeatedly washing their hands, trying to avoid all contact with germs. It's ridiculous and it goes to ridiculous lengths.
In prisons, before they give you lethal injection, they swab your arm with ALCOHOL. Wouldn't want some guy to go to hell AND be sick. Fear of germs, why these fuckin' pussies. You can't even get a decent hamburger anymore they cook the shit out of everything now 'cause everyone's afraid of FOOD POISONING! Hey, wheres you sense of adventure? Take a fuckin' chance will you? Hey you know how many people die of food poisoning in this country? Nine thousand, thats all, its a minor risk.
Take a fuckin' chance bunch of goddamn pussies. Besides, what d'ya think you have an immune system for? It's for killing germs! But it needs practice, it needs germs to practice on. So if you kill all the germs around you, and live a completely sterile life, then when germs do come along, you're not gonna be prepared. And never mind ordinary germs, what are you gonna do when some super virus comes along that turns your vital organs into liquid shit?! I'll tell you what your gonna do
Let me tell you a true story about immunization ok. When I was a little boy in New York city in the nineteen-forties, we swam in the Hudson river. And it was filled with raw sewage! OK? We swam in raw sewage, you know, to cool off. And at that time the big fear was polio. Thousands of kids died from polio every year. But you know something? In my neighborhood no one ever got polio. No one! EVER! You know why? Cause WE SWAM IN RAW SEWAGE! It strengthened our immune system, the polio never had a prayer. We were tempered in raw shit!
So personally I never take any precautions against germs. I don't shy away from people who sneeze and cough. I don't wipe off the telephone, I don't cover the toilet seat, and if I drop food on the floor I pick it up and eat it! Even if I'm at side walk cafe! IN CALCUTTA! THE POOR SECTION! ON NEW YEARS MORNING DURING A SOCCER RIOT! And you know something? In spite of all the so called "risky behavior ".... I never get infections. I don't get em. I don't get colds, I don't get flu, I don't get headaches, I don't get upset stomach, And you know why? Cause I got a good strong immune system! And it gets a lot of practice!
My immune system is equipped with the biological equivalent of fully automatic military assault rifles, with night vision and laser scopes. And we have recently acquired phosphorous grenades, cluster bombs and anti personnel fragmentation mines.
So, when my white blood cells are on patrol reconnoitering my blood stream seeking out strangers and other undesirables, and if they see any, ANY, suspicious looking germs of any kind, THEY DON'T. FUCK. AROUND. They whip out the weapons, they wax the motherfucker and deposit the unlucky fellow directly into my colon! Into my colon. There's no nonsense! There's no miranda warning, there's none of that three strikes and your out bullshit. First defense, BAM! Into the colon you go!
And speaking of my colon, I want you to know I don't automatically wash my hands every time I go to the bathroom. Can you deal with that? Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. You know when I wash my hands? When I shit on them! That's the only time. And you know how many times that happens? Tops-tops-two maybe three times a week. Tops! Maybe a little more frequently over the holidays. You know what I mean?
And I will tell you something else, my well-scrubbed friends. You don't always need a shower ev
He wasn't an expert. (Score:4, Insightful)
"Where did this sudden fear of germs come from in this country?"
when germ theory came about and saw they can kill people. And it's been around as long as germ theory. so,it's not new.
"they swab your arm with ALCOHOL. Wouldn't want some guy to go to hell AND be sick.
it's a good medical practice. It's how it's done.
"Besides, what d'ya think you have an immune system for? It's for killing germs! "
No. It is a response system the fights germ it as already come in contact to. It doesn't do much for the first exposure.
" Nine thousand, thats all, its a minor risk.
classic risk analysis error. It's 9000 in a reasonable control food preparation environment with safety protocols and specific cleaning requirement. Remove all that and that number will skyrocket back to previous rates.
" In my neighborhood no one ever got polio. No one! EVER! You know why? Cause WE SWAM IN RAW SEWAGE! "
wow, clearly he doesn't understand statistics and probability. I could find another community that cleaned everything with no cases of polio. It proves nothing other then randomness clumps. And the idea that swimming in sewage creates an immune response to polio shows a complete misunderstanding of the immune response.
I could go on and on.
Look, he was a funny man, then he got older and turned into a ranting crazy uncle. But he was just a comedian. He wasn't there to present accurate facts, evaluate studies. He was just a guy on a stage. He has no experience of knowledge on the subject matter, and should carry no more with then any lay person.
STOP using comics to prove some point. Very few are factual, and even fewer provide any accurate context. Which is fine, that's not their job. Just like it's not your job to spread their humor as if being on a stage makes then right in any scientific way
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"Touchscreens could just become the single biggest public safety hazard of the 21st century."
Yeah, I'm still going with the car for that one.
Re:The Trouble with Touchscreens (Score:5, Funny)
"Touchscreens could just become the single biggest public safety hazard of the 21st century."
Yeah, I'm still going with the car for that one.
Huh. I would go with Congress.
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People have dirty hands. Sometimes very dirty hands. I rather doubt that a little water on a lint-free rag is going to remove the huge smudgy colonies of bacteria and other things that collect on them.
You really don't want to know how "dirty" your keyboard is then.
I, for one, know that quite well. That's why I'm washing the keyboard every three months or so. With three cats in the house, it's either that or buying the keyboard a hair comb.
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Re:I prefer my input devices to... (Score:5, Informative)
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NOT be touchscreens.
Hence, my preference towards precision. Besides, it's kinda hard to sketch and draw accuately with an index finger.
(I look forward to your letters, kindergarden children.)
Reliable (Score:2)
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Yes, I actively choose wired mice and keyboards over wireless
For me, reliability comes in the form of a wired keyboard and wireless mouse. The cord on a wired mouse can cause drift of the cursor position, and that equates to unreliability (it needs to remain where I left it all the time).
My wireless mouse's battery lasts several months, and it lets me know when it's getting low well in advance of actually dying. I could put new batteries in to never experience an interruption but I just keep a replacement handy when it starts warning me (it's usually 2-3 weeks befo
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It also came with a wireless mouse that I don't use because I have one that's more comfortable, but it works just fine.
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The batteries in wireless mice make them heavier, thus less comfortable to me. But also, there’s no point to it on a desktop. And, to possibly be a bit dogmatic, wired is always more reliable than wireless for the same function.
Depends on the device in question. I recently had to buy a new mouse (to replace one I brought to work, to replace the stupid piece of crap I was supplied with), and unfortunately for me, I prefer a trackball. More specifically, I have been using a Logitech TrackMan Wheel for more than 10 years, and Logitech doesn't make that mouse any more. I had to buy one of these: ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104407 [newegg.com] ).
It only takes one AA battery, which was included in the box. Being a trac
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unfortunately, wireless is all the rage and last time I had to buy a keyboard and mouse, they only wired set I could find at Worst Buy was a Dynex brand, and it sucks donkey balls. The extra keys to the right of the main keyboard are all bungled up in a non-standard layout. The mouse scroll wheel bounces back and forth in both directions when you are scrolling consistently in one direction. Next time, I'm going to pu
What I want (Score:2)
I admit, I went with "Cheap", so I am part of the problem :P
But what I want is a wireless keyboard+touchpad/pointernub that's small like a DS, has all keys including function keys, and is under $100 or so. Still haven't found one.
Also a mouse whose buttons do not go all the way to the edge so bumping it against the keyboard or other things will not cause a button click. Sort of like the original Mac mice, but with multi buttons and wheel.
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Not sure you'll hit your $100 price point but this is what you're looking for [logitech.com]. You can probably find one on eBay at your target price.
If you don't mind a full-size keyboard, I highly recommend this one because of integrated batteries with a charging stand [logitech.com]. I've been using it for several years on my home theater PC for the few times I need to put down the remote and use a keyboard+mouse.
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Multiple-choice would've been better (Score:2)
I know it's not possible with /. polls but in this case it definitely would've been useful.
Personally I want my input devices to be both comfortable/precis (aren't these two the same to a certain degree?) and aesthetically pleasing.
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I know it's not possible with /. polls but in this case it definitely would've been useful.
Personally I want my input devices to be both comfortable/precis (aren't these two the same to a certain degree?) and aesthetically pleasing.
Agreed. A precise input device means you get it right more often the first time, requiring less work. This results in a more comfortable experience. Aesthetically, I want form to follow function.
Missing option (Score:2, Insightful)
There's a missing option here: Reliable.
Multi-functional and customizable are fine and all, but I'd rather take most of the devices I have for granted. I would sacrifice features and pay more just so I don't have to reset/reboot the damn thing. I don't have time for that crap.
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Yes. I had a Wacom tablet that'd randomly need to be reconnected once in a while for no apparent reason. I also had a mouse I really liked but their button mappings was so shitty that I had to install third party software to put it into a usable state. Although technically not a 'reliability' issue, I did have to re-enter that a number of times because I work from multiple machines, neatly making it a 'tired of fucking with it' issue. I also once had a bluetooth mouse that'd often need to be re-paired w
Multifunctional was as close as I could get (Score:3)
Just plain old functional. You know that "implied warranty" that they basically do what they were advertised to do, and do it well? That one. I'll buy the one I feel will do what I need to do best.
Comfort is nice too; it often translates into making the device more functional because it increases my speed / decreases my effort to use the device. Style hardly enters into the equation at all for me. Customizable is often a subset of functionality as well... mostly I don't want them to clamp down on the customizability to such a degree that it can't do what I want in the easiest way I want to do it.
Mechanical Keyboards (Score:2)
Whether you prefer buckling springs in IBM Model M keyboards, ALPS keyswitches on a DELL AT101/AT102, or Cherry Blue keyswitches on any one of the tens of models out there, this thread is for you.
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Keytronics MS Natural from the 1990's. I buy every one I can find at garage sales and such. Even got a fancy PS/2 to USB active adapter to keep them working with newer machines. Ergonomic and able to be used as a beat-stick due to steel plate in the base? YES PLEASE!
Re:Mechanical Keyboards (Score:5, Informative)
The most perfect input device ever made. I have about 10 of them.
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I see your MS natural, and raise you an IBM Model M.
The most perfect input device ever made. I have about 10 of them.
Amen, brother. I also have a stockpile built up of these keyboards. The only keyboard that I'd like to find would be one that has a trackpoint built in. I know IBM made some of these, but I've not been able to find one at an affordable price.
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I had to replace my standard model M last week. My wife spilled tea on it. I attempted to repair the corroded keyboard traces with a circuit pen and put it back together using the "tiny bolt" method, but that is easier said than done and it may only be good for spare parts now.
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I cannot type on a rectangular keyboard without wrist pain. Otherwise, I too would be a Model-M proponent.
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Leopold 104-key with Cherry Browns for me, thank you very much.
Logitech G500 gaming mouse.
And there's a Logitech Rumblepad around here somewhere for the few PC games that can use a controller input.
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The original Logitech Cordless Rumblepad is one of the best-designed controllers ever. Most important is the fact that the sticks have square travel vs. the circular travel on pretty much all newer ones. With circular travel you can't reach the corners of the X/Y axes which plays hell with older games not designed for this, and flight sims. Unfortunately the potentiometers on these wear out and the controller becomes useless, I plan to replace the potentiometers on mine with high-quality ones.
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I own a model M, a cherry and the Apple Extended Keyboard
I don't like to type on mush
Mechanical keyboard gave me tinnitus (Score:2)
Missing Option (Score:2)
Work properly.
"Input device" is a pretty vague term, btw. A scanner is an input device. So is a microphone. I don't need to have either one of those work "comfortably", nor themselves be aesthetically pleasing. Also note, that I like some of my input devices to be accurate, and not necessarily precise.
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Can i interest you in our new line of anally inserted scanners now with 50% more broken glass shards.
Need multi choice! (Score:3, Insightful)
I like my input devices like I like my women. Cheap, aesthetically pleasing and able to withstand violent impacts.
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I like my input devices like I like my women. Cheap, aesthetically pleasing and able to withstand violent impacts.
and wireless, I trust?
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I like my input devices like I like my women.
Small, flexible and made in Asia.
Missing option: clean (Score:2)
why cheap? (Score:2)
Do we really need a $1 mouse? The race to the bottom means containers hauled from overseas by barge, filled with tons and tons of cheap plastic that will break in a month and end up in a landfill. The WalMart mentality may seem like a bargain, until you find yourself buying the same item every year.
I'd rather pay $10, $50, even $100 for a mouse that will last for decades and was made locally under environmental standards, and can be recycled upon failure (not buried or shipped to Singapore to be me melted
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I'll take comfort over price any day of the week. For my desktop I have a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard I bought eleven years ago. Still no dead keys, and it's still every bit as responsive as it was the day I bought it. OK, it knocked me back £40, but at the time as now, it didn't bother me - I needed something comfortable because I was using the keyboard a lot. In 2004 I bought three Logitech trackballs, at £30 each. Still got 'em, they all still work. Never used any other desktop tracking devi
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that's a good question. i have blind faith in my transfer station's gadget recycling pile, but i've never investigated. maybe that will be my next project. fortunately i haven't had to throw out a gadget in some time (to too low gadget influx in my life), most i pass on to friends, which admittedly is just passing the buck, but at least it is one less thing purchased, for the time being.
Able to withstand violent impacts (Score:2)
If able to withstand violent impacts, then they automatically become multifunctional, since it can be used as a hammer or a weapon.
But by itself this is a good requirement. Have you ever tried to solder those tiny-ass surface mount resistor back onto a iPod Mini logic board after it has been thrown violently across the room?
I have fat fingers. And apparently an anger management problem.
Slashdot Pulse ads (Score:5, Interesting)
Since this is a poll thread, I just have to ask a sort of poll-related question: what's with the Slashdot Pulse ads? They seem extremely sketchy. They provide a poll that they expect Slashdot readers to vote on (very few do), to push some sort of agenda or gain some sort of odd market research. There was one that was essentially (paraphrasing):
Do you think Advanced Persistent Threats are a serious concern?
1) Yes
2) Not so much
3) Maybe, I don't know
4) No, not at all
Voting on these always tends to start heavily against whatever they're trying to prove. In this case, it was "No" for several days. All of sudden, near the end of the vote, the vote count swung hard towards "Yes". At the end of it all, they come out with a banner ad: "75% of Slashdot users say APTs are a threat. Are you protected?"
Has anyone else noticed this? Sketchy ads are sketchy.
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Ads? Slashdot has ads? [adblockplus.org]
Nor have I seen any ads masquerading as polls, because ABP doesn't seem to be fooled.
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I've got enough karma to disable the ads without ABP, but I've got that option unchecked and have the site whitelisted in ABP. Feel free to call me crazy.
All of the above? (Score:2)
I kind of like mine to be all of the above. I'm willing to sacrifice cheap and multifuntional, but you'll need to give me reliable in return.
None of the above (Score:2)
Last option (Score:2)
I know it's passe but I simply picked the last option because I have multiple criteria points on this subject. As such I thought I was going with the 'joke' option which turned out to be a real point for many /.ers.
So since that is the case I will present my real vote: I prefer my input devices to...
Be autographed by CowboyNeal.
Missing Option (Score:2)
quiet.
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uhghhhh... so that's where my mouse has been.
Unlike many other Apple users... (Score:2)
I stopped using my Mighty Mouse ages ago and reverted to my old Logitech three-button optical mouse (inspired by Apple, but then improved). I can’t remember why.
Comfort first (Score:2)
Comfortable first and foremost. The three peripherals I use the most are my keyboard, mouse and monitor. If they are not comfortable to use, the entire machine is uncomfortable to use.
I use mechanically switched keyboards. Cherry Blue at home, Cherry Brown at work (I don't want my co-workers testing the multi-functional aspect of the keyboard by subjecting my skull to violent impacts.) and an IBM model M on the KVM for my servers. They not only are the most comfortable keyboards to use but they can also
Missing option... (Score:2)
I like my input devices like I like my women: (Score:2)
I prefer (Score:2)
A little of column A, and a little of column B (Score:2)
Comfort above all (Score:2)
A little of this, a little of that (Score:2)
Efficient (Score:3)
Efficiency is important to me. I want to be able to provide input as fast as I can think it up. Failing that, I want to get as close as possible. Input devices that make me have to go back and redo parts a lot are a huge annoyance.
Whatever happened to... (Score:2)
...Compaq laptop trackballs? I miss those. They /were/ comfortable. Multitouch trackpads are all well and good, but I find myself often ejecting my mp3 player to plug in my desktop trackball and hitting the signal button on the trackpad because my hands being the size they are, I keep brushing the thing with both thumbs and suddenly everything's in 200pt. That aside, I do prefer upside down mice to conductive areas built in to the space below the keyboard - that's just me.
As ... prescient as possible (Score:2)
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Of course, input devices are not restricted to keyboards. My mouse is multifunctional and has six switches (things you click) in addition to the laser tracker and scroll wheel.
Re:I prefer mine to be insanely great trackballs (Score:4, Informative)
There are all sorts of nice trackballs out there now. This wiki page from my favorite input device website might be of some interest: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:10242 [geekhack.org]
The CST LaserTRAC Trackball looks especially promising. You could replace the provided ball will a pool ball or a perfect sphere of any material, so long as it was the same size. This means you could try out heavier trackballs.
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I used to always use the thumb style trackball. That was until I discovered the Cordless Optical Trackman [logitech.com]. It is by far the most comfortable trackball that I have used, and it's reasonably precise. The thing that sucks is up here in Canada they don't offer them any more. Having a slightly tilted model really helped the stress on the wrist from a standard trackball or mouse.
I hate the wireless part of it though... the thing never leaves my desk, I wish there was a corded version so I don't have to replace th
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I must concede with you the wireless option of the Trackman sucked. The range was limited and the thi
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Yep, that's why I like to use my finger on a nipple.
Wait, that didn't sound right...
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Clitmouse.
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Sounds like a Logitech TrackMan Marble. The one my mom calls "the slug". She's quite fond of hers, in part because it's ambidextrous. Look familiar? ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104249 [newegg.com] ). The current version of it has back/forward navigation buttons and is silver, but the first generation of it didn't have the navigation buttons, and was white with a red ball.
Personally, I prefer the TrackMan Wheel.... that one is thumb-controlled, with index/middle fingers for the buttons and
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Best mouse input device ever. Bar absolutely NONE. IF you don't have one, or you're looking for a spare, you can still get them on Amazon.
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The TM had a smaller cousin that was (almost) as good - and very handy for those with laptops. The TM Portable. I bought one of these when they came out in 1991, still got it but it had one problem: the wire kept breaking. It was just so damn thin! I ended up eventually rewiring with phone flex. Still got it, though the keyboard hooks no longer function.
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I'm typing this on a genuine 1980s Cherry keyboard, second only to a genuine 1980s IBM keyboard.
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I highly suggest the HP washable keyboard. It feels like a solid old school keyboard rather than the bendy plastic that even keyboards of 3x the price seem to be made of and on top of that when it gets just a little bit dirty I can just take it to the nearest water source and hose the thing off.
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The IBM Model M is a hell of a keyboard. I should know. I have three.
In the trades, it's said that you can tell a carpenter by his tools. It's probably the same in computers.
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I still miss my old Northgate keyboard. I still have it but the E key is sticky.
Someone was making copies, but they wanted like $300.
Re:Missing option: (Score:5, Interesting)
Durable, yes. But also repairable.
I don't want a long warranty that covers replacements; I want one that covers actual repairs. And I'm willing to pay for this, but nobody seems to want my money.
Fuck consumerism. The pendulum has to swing back sooner or later, and perhaps now, with a depression, people start thinking long term again?
I know, but it was a good thought.
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A lot of the stuff in input devices can be fixed yourself. I've maintained my own keyboard for going on 12 years now. Anytime I problem crops up I manage to fix it. It will take a circuit board burning out for me to replace the thing...
Re:Violent impacts or violent influences (Score:4, Funny)
The word you are looking for is "ruggedized", which may not actually be a word.
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You remind me of my old college roommate (also a gamer). He literally had a drawer in his desk for mice. Whenever he destroyed one he'd unplug it, throw it in the trash, open the drawer, and be back up and running in less than a minute. He did this about two or three times a year I think. He went through less keyboards, but I do believe he had to replace one or two in the 3 years we were roommates.
I consider myself a gamer as well, though I'm perhaps a bit more gentle with my equipment. I've replaced my mou
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Hmm, interesting. I somehow ended up with a bunch of high-end Logitech input devices, even though I tend to actually like a lot of the dirt cheap Dell multimedia keyboards and run-o-the-mill Microsoft mice much better. Family members keep buying me the nice stuff though since they think I'm into computers "in that way", so I kinda feel obligated to use them, even though I haven't really bothered trying to use the programmable bits of my G510 keyboard yet. I guess I try to avoid games and tasks that requi
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My current gaming mouse is about 9 years old as well. Some cheapo no-name-brand mouse, but it has 5 buttoins, optical sensor and a scroll wheel...I've been thinking of getting a Logitech G9x but I just can't justify the cost, it's not that much better. I've only had 1 keyboard ever break as well, I've had my current gaming keyboard for about a year and the WASD labels are pretty worn but it works otherwise.
Interesting thing I noticed the other day, the Xbox360 controller's D-pads have some kind of weird pol
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I've had my current gaming keyboard for about a year
Wow I wrote this? More like 3 years...
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I do not want an 20 button gamer mouse either. I just want a 3 button scrollwheel cordless trackball. Sadly they cost E60 or so, and Logitech still hasn't made the Marble Mouse wireless. My thumb isn't good at precise.
Re:Accidental drops (Score:5, Funny)
Tell that to little Bobby Tables.
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> I'm left-handed you insensitive clod!
I'm ambidextrous you left-handed clod!
(Maybe ambisinistrous would be more accurate.)
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There is a keyboard with like nine keys in widespread use. IIRC it uses phonetics rather than letters, most models don't even come with markings on the keys.
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Indeed.
IBM Model M - robust (beat your boss to death and then keep on typing), simple (mine doesn't even have Windows keys), precise (very consistent key force required, does N-key rollover on a PS/2 port), aesthetically pleasing (simple is beautiful, even the sound is beautiful).
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Dragonfly. Mine's home made.
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