Legal Actions of School Against a Proxy's Host? 200
WakefieldHS-students asks: "I attend a public school, Wakefield High School in Raleigh, North Carolina. A friend of mine recently created a site that hosted a web proxy browser. It ran for a few months, and others at our school found out about it. The original domain was blocked by the censorship software the school uses, and it was changed a few times to get around this. Recently, he was forced to take down the proxy, with the threat of not graduating and the taking of legal action by the school. What legal rights, if any, can the school use to ban someone from hosting a website? Furthermore, what rights does the U.S. Government have to censor such websites?"
Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:5, Insightful)
As far as legal rights to censor that, they can do just about whatever they want in loco parentis.
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, since the operation of proxy server is not done under school property and doesn't have anything to do with the care of the student, the argument for it being in loco parentis doesn't really hold water.
Of particular note, if he's near graduating, he may well be 18 already, at which point in loco parentis no longer applies. By threatening his academic situation, a publically mandated and required function of the school, by regarding his own actions off school time, then they could actually be sued on grounds of harrassment.
Now, they could pursue action against him for access the proxy from the school, but not against him for others.
Moreover, since I was nailed under in loco parentis when I was in middle school, I can tell you that loco parentis ceases the instant you enter your front door, if you ride the bus home from school. I got nailed for verbally assaulting the bus driver (who later was nailed for felony hit and runs against mailboxes, thus disproving the slander and defamation charges they 'threatened' me with). As I was told, if I'd entered my house, come back out, and then yelled at her, it would have been out of the school's hands.
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:3, Insightful)
1) The kid and his friends were repeatedly and systematically violating school rules, and can certainly be punished.
2) The precise ultimatum that the school gave him is probably not within the school's power to make.
3) The question is how much effort and money he's willing to expend in court on a grey area case, when the school would be perfectly within bounds to give him a clearly legal and much more serious punishment.
4) I don't get what the US g
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, long story short, they don't really notice until I start checking things on my homepage as well; nothing bad or anything, and not even personal stuff, just the Linux-related parts of it that I'd need for the project. So they block it. So I e-mail them, politely asking to unblock it – and just to be sure, I check their censorware program's homepage, and since they've also got it blocked, I e-mail them.
Couple days later, no response from my own school district – but the censorware people were more than happy to unblock my site.
Few months later, the district people call a bunch of parent-teacher conferences about the whole thing, saying that I was bypassing their proxy server and "compromising system security" – the ironic part was, I was actually safer doing an SSH tunnel, because it was one-way only and the only machine that would be affected by the fatal typo of doom or whatever would be my own at home. But either way, they don't get their way, so a few days later they actually send their people down to personally yell at me. (Talk about wasting taxpayer dollars – these people apparently have enough free time that they can just drop everything else to come yell at a single student in a school of over 1500. And this is a fairly big school district, so there's other schools, too – but no, they have more of a threat coming from some kid using an SSH tunnel than from all the other would-be hackers visiting porn sites, installing spyware, and posting to MySpace.com. I still don't understand their logic...)
But, either way, those school district people, even if their intentions are good – you just have to watch out for those guys. They're kind of like the BOFH, really, only they use expulsion and no graduation rather than killing people – they consider it their job to keep the network running smoothly, and if it means kicking people off and expelling them / denying graduation / etc., they'll do it – because they only need to worry about the network, not the people.
Just a tip from someone who'd know...
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:3, Insightful)
Err, yeah... Two things:
1) If I may gently offer some advice -- being smarter than other people doesn't mean you always have to get your way. I get your technical point,
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:2)
But in this case, it doesn't sound like he did anything out of line. They didn't forbid him to do what he was doing - they suddenly began blocking it as a security threat. He then a note to all the resp
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:2)
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:2)
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:3, Interesting)
I tend to be a pretty forgetful person, and I do all my work on computer, often so I don't lose anything. I had to email all my home work from home to school and then vice versa each day. However, on a few occasions, I forgot work even though I'd done it, which was rather frustrating. Rather than keep the teacher waiting who wanted to collect all the work in and get the marking done over the weekend, at lunc
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:2)
Now, they're worse. The BOFH does have technical expertise.
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:3, Interesting)
Unless the proxy was specifically directed to be used by the network, the school in all honesty could not take action against him with regard to the proxy server. They could go after him for connecting to it, but simply changing the name, location, address, etc. of his system, without modifying the school's system, would render him as immune as any of the other proxy services out there.
Frankly, most attempts to bypass proxies I've seen, having working in both academic and corporate setting, is the attempt
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it (Score:2)
Their network, their rules (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Their network, their rules (Score:2)
The real question here is whether they can do things like prevent his graduation.
Of course, I agree with one of the other posters that we don't have the whole story here.
Re:Their network, their rules (Score:2)
it would be necessary to get your work done if their filtering software is anything like the shit they tried a couple years back at my school. the thing was waaaay too sensitive to things.
among things it blocked
a history article on the holocaust (for history class, blocked for "inappropriate imagery")
an article on basic computer security (computers class, blocked for "explicit language")
a worksheet on finding deriv
Re:Their network, their rules (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, but since when could they block what they wanted OFF their network, by threatening the operator?!!
I really don't care if this guy was running a proxy to MySpace or child porn or the Christian Coalition. The school system should not have any right to tell him what he can or cannot do with his on equipment, period!
If he was doing something illegal, then the school system should just contact the police and have them handle it, because at least the police are subject to oversight by the judicial system
Re:Their network, their rules (Score:4, Insightful)
No, the school system does not have that right! It has attempted to autocratically assume that right, and it has managed to convince most people that it has that right, but it does not have the moral or Constitutional authority to claim that right!
And I, for one, am sick and tired of our failure as American Citizens to put the school system (and all the other parts of government acting beyond their authority) in their places!
Private versus Public (Score:4, Interesting)
But, you said it's a public school. I don't see why a public school can do that. And I'd be willing to wager a large amount of cash he didn't have to sign a "I will not host a web proxy server" document when he started to attend the school.
So what does he do?
Sue
That's all that works these days. If the school administration is going to be like that (note: I'm assuming he just set it up for personal use or something and isn't encouraging other students to use it to break school policy) then they obviously aren't willing to deal with him on this. In such situations (especially with a government institution like a school) a strongly worded nasty-gram from a lawyer will make a world of difference. Indicate you are willing to reach a compromise or something (that you're not just a "Free speech at all costs sue the school for $100,000,000" nut-job and are willing to be reasonable) and I'm sure something will get worked out quickly.
When faced with a lawsuit, most of the time in the US the person being threatened with the suit will just cave or try to work it out fast, even if they are right (which, in this case, is easily debatable).
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Re:Private versus Public (Score:4, Insightful)
It's definitely worth the effort. My school (not exactly private; IMSA [imsa.edu]) kicked out a number of students for supposed thought crimes. Writing a song about a teacher they didn't like; posting "racist" comments on a private message board from home; etc. I wish someone had the balls to sue them -- I'm sure they would have lost big time.
Just beacuse you're under 18 doesn't mean you deserve to be considered too dumb / young to have a voice. "First they came for those under 18, then they came for "the terrorists", now they're here for me and nobody is left to speak out." Don't put up with them.
OTOH, if the OP did something stupid, then they might have a case. Not telling us the details just hurts you in the end.
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Not to mention, you are talking about a magnet school. Seriously, if you don't like it there, go somewhere else. I'm sure there
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Been there, done that. Incident #1, I posted a song about my employer's change from a pretty generous bonus policy to an all but no
Re:Private versus Public (Score:4, Informative)
My public school required the signing of an Internet use contract before getting an account on the network. The bit about not doing anything to evade the school's blocking software would certainly apply in this case, and I would be very surprised to hear of a public school that didn't require a similar contract with their students.
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Yes, and the maximum penalty under that contract is usually not being allowed to use the computer network. They're threatening to not let this guy graduate, which is entirely unreasonable.
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
-molo
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
my HS and College both had little blurbs every time you logged in that says "You may only log in if you agree to abide by all rules, you are responsible for anything that happens from your account, so be sure to log out". This is also legally binding.
The Asker's friend is in the wrong... By evading the proxy he is breaking the rules and the school can punish him for it. Besid
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
But if the proxy was being used by other students, AND the school has asked and warned 'the friend' several times (it sounds like this), but the kid keeps moving the proxy around, then the school has no choice but to threaten legal action. They are there to protect all students, and if one student is breaking the rules on purpose, repeatedly, and not changing his ways afte
Re:Private versus Public (Score:3, Insightful)
Think of it like any threat to a school. Su
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Za friend za friend! You are a real brother to us! The government/private schools needs more power to crack down on these anarchist youth! Viva El Presidente! Fight for your government too!
(Note: If you wouldn't have said that you like them better because they can do that kind of thing, my post wouldn't have been called to existence. It is one thing that it seems US schools public or private are so aut
Re:Private versus Public (Score:2)
Re:Private versus Public (Score:3, Interesting)
So what if he is? The school system still doesn't have the right to punish him for it, because it's still the other students who are breaking the rules by accessing it, not him! He has the Right to Free Speech regardless of the power the school system fascists think they've given themselves, and has done nothing wrong!
It's not really the website (Score:2, Insightful)
IANAL, but I don't think they have any legal recourse for shutting down the site, but they can go after you for bypassing the filters.
Now, if all you're doing is mirroring content, then that's another story. It depends on the content.
Re:It's not really the website (Score:2)
Yeah, except that he wasn't using that tool (presumably), other students were. He just set it up, and most importantly, did so at home which is outside the jurisdiction of the school!
If they want to give students detention if they catch them using the proxy at school, I see no problem. However, they're trying to punish this guy for stuff he did at home. And that's something I do have a very large problem with!
It's not a web site (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a whopping huge difference between hosting a web site and hosting a proxy server. To me it sounds like the student hosting the proxy server was doing this to circumvent the school's access controls, so it's a precedent for intent, irrelevent of it being malicious or beneign.
If the school's network admins had half a brain then all access beyond the border routers would have been deny-by-default, allowing access only from their content-filtering server(s) and mail server(s) thus making this sort of thing impossible to do anyways./p
Re:It's not a web site (Score:3, Insightful)
LK
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
But that's not really a proxy server is it? Trying to implement that sort of functionality in a web page with server-side code is usually a pain due to the requirement of having to rewrite image/embed/object/stylesheet/etc URL's so that those things are accessed through your hacked-up page and not their original addresses (or their now-broken relative URLs), although it is simplified with things like the CFHTTP tag in ColdFusion.
If the school's content filtering is based purely on domain names then the ab
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
If a proxy server is configured to run on port 80, accessing it would look pretty much like accessing a web server. So what are their filters doing on the ports other than 80? Are they filtering by IP address? Host name? Domain name? URI content? And what are they doing about SSL which many sites now require on the login page? All the filters can know for SSL is what IP address and port the connection is being made to. There are a lot of ways to slip through the filters.
Hey kids! If you are going
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2, Insightful)
Catching those who used other peoples accounts was trivial the instant two logins to the same username happened (since once someone gives out their password, it spreads like wildfire)
Catching those who used external SSL pro
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
but since this student owned the proxy, he still could have played cat an mouse by changing the html code being produced, but that would require having access to the proxy webserver to alter t
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
Maybe so, but content filters are usually there for more than just censorship, which is the only thing you see people harp on about. They often serve as caching proxies to limit bandwidth usage, sometimes anti-virus filtering to protect the school's servers and workstations. And yes, censhorship to protect students from goat porn and such.
Bypassing the s
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
If it was some-other-random-proxy-site, they'd be going after the people using it, which is what they OUGHT to be doing now.
Running a (proxy|remailer|*) is not a crime.
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2, Insightful)
Way to miss the point.
What if there are 50 students sitting in a computer lab all downloading the same pictures of ancient Egypt at the same time?
-:sigma.SB
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
Re:It's not a web site (Score:2)
Bah... I have no freaking clue (Score:3, Informative)
Bah.. There are probably plenty of Supremem Court cases related to this but without being a lawyer it's really hard to draw analogies. The closest argument I can find that seems to make sense is this link to a wikipedia article about public forums.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_forum [wikipedia.org]
PS. If you really want to find out who is right have your friend take the school to court and bring it all the way to the Supreme Court need be. Then you will really know.
Public Schools are non-public forums (Score:2)
It depends (Score:4, Insightful)
However, even assuming is was real simple, ie kid hosts site, school doesn't like site, school threatens kid, it still depends. What it depends on is if you mean what are they legally allowed to do, or what will they try to do and get away with. Legally they can't deny graduation for things not related to the school itself. That's why things like random drug test are always targeted at peopel who do extracurricular activities. They can make them consent in that case, but to try and say "you do it or you don't graduate" wouldn't work.
Ok fine, but that doesn't mean they can't TRY to stop him from graduating. They can refuse to issue a diploma, fail him in all his classes, expell him, whatever. When that happens, he then has to fight. If he's in the right he'll win eventually, but the question is one of if it's worth it. Would it be worth potentially putting your life on hold over a website?
So here's what I'd do, depending on the kind of person he is:
Just let it go. Who the fuck cares? Take the site down. If he really wants to put it back up, use a registrar that hides personal information as others suggested and ensure it can't be linked to him. Just give in, it's not a fight worth fighting.
Or, if he's not the give in type, go the revenge route. Your post implies graduation is something happening soon. So leave it alone for now, very soon the school has no say in your lives. When that happens, hit them back. I'm not going to bother listing all the perfectly legal things you could do to give them grief, I'm sure you can figure plenty out.
Now by the way, if the point of this proxy is to circumvent the school's rules on what you are allowed to access, then yes, they can punish you for that. Next time don't be idiots: Create a front site for it, use SSL and don't fucking tell people about it.
Re:It depends (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone(s) were circumventing the "censorship" (how is filtering boobies, at school, censorship?) software and the school wanted it stopped.
What the school did is emminently reasonable. The owner of the proxy (a student) undoubtedly signed an Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) stating that they wouldn't even try to circumvent school filtering software. That's all the school needs to fuck with his graduation.
The fact that the kid didn't get smacked down the first time (or the second time) that he got caught suggests to me that the IT people were quite willing to let it go. On top of that, the school admin don't want to keep the kid from graduating, they just want him to stop.
I'm not sure how legit it is to force the kid to take the proxy down, but arguably (and realisticly), requiring that the proxy be taken down seems like the only way to guarantee compliance. (Why they didn't blacklist the proxy IP, we don't know)
Conclusion: Take it down & be glad they aren't slapping him around for the rule(s) he broke. And if you're going to do something illegal about it, do it while it's still on your juvenile record.
Re:It depends (Score:2)
Re:It depends (Score:2)
The school policy http://wakefieldhs.net/academics/media/aup.php [wakefieldhs.net] doesn't say anything about their filtering software.
Looking at their Violation Chart
http://wakefieldhs.net/academics/media/AUPviolatio nchart.php [wakefieldhs.net]
suggests the school could have gone ahead and suspended him for a very long time based on his existing actions.
It's more than likely they could have derailed his graduation no matter what.
Re:It depends (Score:2)
I disagree.
If he made the proxy in order to get around the school's filters, then he (and students who used the proxy) should suffer the penalty laid out in the school's acceptable use contract. If he simply made the proxy for any othe reason, then there should be no penalty whatsoever, lest we allow the schools to dictate what students can and can't do in their private time.
Now, if he was changing the domain name after the school caught on, that would seem to
Re:It depends (Score:2)
If anything, the school should go after the students accessing the material the school doesn't allow. Imagine all those students getting suspended. Yeah, that will make the person very unpopular for providing the proxy in the first place.
How can they keep you from graduating?! (Score:2)
If you've completed your core requirements, they can't stop you from graduating...
Re:How can they keep you from graduating?! (Score:2)
If you stupidly signed that little piece of paper in which you agree not to do certain things (for which there is no law against, otherwise they wouldn't need this piece of paper to be signed) under penalty of not graduating, then yes, they can. So just don't sign it. Then they have nothing but what the law requires or prohibits of you or them. So just obey they law after you refuse to sign the paper and thus you give them no basis to deny you an education or to graduate if you complete the requirements
Re:How can they keep you from graduating?! (Score:2)
Local school board is not the U.S. Government (Score:2)
Re:Local school board is not the U.S. Government (Score:2)
Re:Local school board is not the U.S. Government (Score:2)
To be clear, the "state" that a school board is a "direct extension of", is North Carolina, not the Federal Government of the United States of America.
here's your answer (Score:2)
Because they accept Federal funding, mainly, though they are subject to other Federal laws by virtue of being an educational institution.
Re:here's your answer (Score:2)
Federal funding of local schools is so small that it's laughable, it is the state that foots pretty much all of the bill. The majority of the control of a school district is usually very local, under the oversight of the particular state (North Carolina).
doesn't matter whether a school district (Score:3, Informative)
They have no right. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:They have no right. (Score:2)
If the teachers don't trust the students enough to let them speak freely then ahy should the students trust the teachers enough
Re:They have no right. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:They have no right. (Score:2)
You mean the Constitution written by folks accustomed to and accepting of corporal punishment for trivial schoolkid hijinks? The Founding Fathers would likely be quite surprised at the extreme leniency of modern schools.
Apparently this school board feels they have failed their task of instructing this student how not to be an ass. Not graduating
Graduation threats are like bogus patents.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Can a public school force a student to shut down a web site (even a site designed to circumvent the school's security)? No. Can the student be expelled for violating the school's computer use agreement? Yes.
If the school says shut it down or you won't graduate, the answer is to sue. The only reason why that "we won't let you graduate" arguement holds any weight is because students and their parents allow it to. Of course, challanging a school on that can get messy. If you remove their ability to threaten graduation, the only tools they have left (the correct ones!) are suspention and expulsion.
I got busted in high school also, with two of my friends. This was back in '95 or '96. To make matters worse, my father was the IT director for the school district. Luckily, I had a chance to clean up my tracks a bit prior to being busted (my friends were busted earlier in the day, and as I'm sure you are aware, news travels fast in HS). Both of them were suspended from school for a few days and we all lost our network access for the rest of the school year. We had to work on laptops or independant work stations the rest of the year.
So in short, he can keep his site, but he has to face the concequences of his actions. If the school makes a deal with him, shut down the site and we will drop any threat of non-graduation or expulsion, I'd say take it.
-Rick
I hosted a proxy server for school use only... (Score:2)
Re:I hosted a proxy server for school use only... (Score:2)
That puts the school in a very legal grey area. I very much suggest consulting a lawyer.
Re:I hosted a proxy server for school use only... (Score:2)
cancel the trip completely if the website wasn't taken down. Since the next trip was still 2 or 3 years away at that time, the next trip was not announced, planned, scheduled, or booked in any way. I doubt the Disney trip was codified by the school board or anything like that, so I don't see why the band directors would be obligated to o
Grow up (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Grow up (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Grow up (Score:2)
It's a matter of overreaching their authority. The school has a say on school grounds and on school related activities (i.e. field trips and bus rides home). The school does not have authority over what a kid does in their house. If the kid is
mod parent down (Score:2)
Using a "bringing a gun to school" analogy for an action that didn't take place on campus... whoever modded this up should apologize to the community for stupidity.
"Fermion", you should devote your efforts to getting an education for yourself from whatever middle school you are attending and not commenting on subjects you don't appear to know anything about based on your post.
Sex Ed (Score:2)
Sez you! Soon after graduating highschool, I was very embarassed by how klutzy I was at unhooking a bra by touch alone (no peeking). No man should be allowed to graduate without at least some sort of training or experience with that.
The best thing to do (Score:2)
Oh and the paypal link on the site. That's nice.
Deja Vu.... (Score:2)
Why not ask someone who knows? (Score:3, Insightful)
Chances are the District will settle for enough money for you to pay for college. As far as I know, schools have very little say in what you do when you're not at school, so long as it's not illegal.
Now, they could probably say "don't go to that proxy during school hours, from school computers," and they'd probably be on good ground. But to ask you to take the proxy down or not graduate? Ground less stable, methinks.
But as I said; find a lawyer, file suit, find out. Let us know how it goes!
The Insiders Story (Score:2, Insightful)
I first saw the proxy [wakefieldhs.org] that WakefieldHS-students is referring to over a month ago. In order to use the proxy you had to create an account. I never actually used the proxy, but I saw numerous people using it. The most viewed site by far was Myspace, I never did see anybody looking at porn on it but it probably happened.
Anyways, after it go
Awww, rich kid busted for using proxy, how sad. (Score:5, Insightful)
They blocked Fark where I work for pornographic reasons. You know what I do? I wait til I get home.
Face it. You got caught. You should have given up the first time. Repeatedly moving it just makes you look guilty. Guilty of what? Not running a proxy. Guilty of using school resources inappropriately. See http://www.wcpss.net/Technology/pdf/6446.pdf [wcpss.net] I think anyone who reads it will agree that regarless of their support of the rules or lack there of, you did in fact break the rules. Better you learn now at an early age there are consequences for your actions. You can't disregard rules you don't like and expect nothing negative to happen to you. Wait until you get to college. No one there will give a rats ass about you. You will be expected to do things you don't like. When you fail, you fail you, not some well meaning underpaid teacher. Best thing you could do right now is admit to your mistake and suck up the consequences.
Re:Awww, rich kid busted for using proxy, how sad. (Score:2)
You know what's even worse? I'm a public school teacher, and they block Slashdot at my school because it's a "message board". You know what I do? Read reddit [reddit.com] and (gasp!) sometimes Digg (neither of which are blocked... yet) during my conference period, and catch up on Slashdot when I get home. I can't even check my personal email from school. BFD.
Let's all repeat after me, class: blocking your access
Re:Awww, rich kid busted for using proxy, how sad. (Score:2)
Contact the ACLU (Score:3, Informative)
The events weren't even placed in his school records.
If you think the school is trying to quash the rights of free speech and ideas, then by all means contact your local ACLU representatives. They'll help you fight against the the school's attempts to punish you if it's unconstitutional.
What the school can and can't do... (Score:3, Informative)
2) Filtering is required by the CIPA.
3) School districts can punish students for things students have done on their own time on their own equipment if it disrupts school activities. For example, if a student puts up a website with negative info about a teacher, but no one goes to it, then the school can't punish the student. If the student puts up negative info about a teacher and everyone in the district is visiting the website during the school day, then the school district can take action.
In this case, if it was disruptive in school, then the district can punish the student, including not allowing them to participate in commencement activities.
In trouble for HAVING the proxy, or USING it? (Score:2)
If he's in trouble for using the school's computers to access the proxy, then it makes sense. The submitter makes it sound like he's in trouble for something he did with his own computer (or a rented colo like Linode, or whatever), though, and obviously it's inappropriate for a school's Acceptable Use Policy to regulate when someone does on their own hardware.
The submitter might be tricking us, though. It sure smells like it. I bet the guy got in trouble for using the proxy from school, rather than for
Re:Hey Buddy.. (Score:2)
Re:Anonymity? (Score:2)
Re:Even a public school . . . (Score:2)
There's a difference between what the law says, and what they ask students to sign an agreement for. If they law specifically prohibited certain actions, or authorized the school to prohibit them, they wouldn't need to get students to sign the paper to agree to not do those certain actions. Sure, if you do something that is illegal, and get caught, you're in trouble. And if it has something to do with the school, you can be in trouble with the school, too. If you're web site is just being critical of th
Re:Even a public school . . . (Score:2)
There's also this little piece that doesn't mention anything about any exceptions for schools or people under the age of 18:
Now think again if you believe the law can't make certain exceptions.
Re:Even a public school . . . (Score:2)
OK, done that? Have you noticed that it says "No State shall make or enforce any law..."
In other words, it doesn't stop any school district from coming up with its own policy. It's also why cities can make ordinances banning cursing [nytimes.com].
Re:graduation vs. diploma (Score:2)
This actually happened at my high school. Three students were denied access to the graduation ceremonies for having been caught smoking on school grounds the week before. They got their diplomas mailed to them a few days later, just like I did (I actually missed it because of illness, but I really didn't care).
Re:Same Situation: Use a Disclaimer (Score:2)
Re:Same Situation: Use a Disclaimer RIGHT ON (Score:2)
The Dickhead who wrote the parent feels he can break the rules with impunity because he has a click-through disclaimer. If that worked, everyone sharing P2P files would have this disclaimer appear at the head of their shared files list telling the **AA to fsk off. Would love to be there when he finds out that life really doesn't work that way.
Re:Same Situation: Use a Disclaimer (Score:2)
Re:Why Hello (Score:2)
When the school says 'You need to stop violating our school policy. You need to stop helping others violate our school policy.' I think maybe you need to do what they say. It doesn't matter WHERE the initial action is done, the proxy is being used AT the school. The simplest way would have been to STOP telling other students about the site. They didn't magi
Re:I'm surprised... (Score:3, Funny)