>I suspect that you recall this through more than a little bit of bias and have twisted it to suit your point of the argument
Yes you do. For emotional reasons rather than logical ones. This is what you *want* to believe because it makes you feel better to not think badly of American police. Makes you feel safer and less in danger for your life when you have interactions with them.
Of course it already seems like in interactions with them you treat them as if they are dangerous and mentally unstable gang members with itchy trigger fingers. That's good. Because that is indeed exactly what they are.
>It is also interesting that you, like so many others stopped at sobriety check points, question the legal validity of said stops.
They *are* illegal in 5 US states, but I don't and have not questioned their *legality*. What I questioned was their morality and their constitutionality and indeed such a violation of human rights is consistent with neither.
>Also, I doubt that you were "conversational" in your protestations.
Yes I know. I've met a lot of people like you over the years. It's why I took a plea bargain despite badly wanting to tear apart the cops ridiculous, illogical, and inconsistent story at least some of which I could *prove* was a lie. In any account of events people like you will *always* choose to believe the cops side of the story. Why? Again for emotional reasons. It makes you feel better. Safer. Otherwise you'd have to accept that there are a significant number of cops who are liars and very bad people.
>Having been through more than a few of these check points the cops were never assholes.
Because in your view *no* cops are assholes. Am I right?
>Every time I remained calm and respectful regardless of their inappropriate attitude or actions.
What inappropriate attitude or actions? I thought they weren't assholes.
>One, they calmed down and started to act more rationally.
So they were acting irrationally? Really. I find that so surprising. I thought cops were perfect human beings which is why you always choose to believe their story.
>Two, they generally either reduced the infraction or charges or outright let me go with a simple warning or admonishment to deal with my issues
Did you miss the part where I said, "Fuck you!" quietly but with an angry voice? He *was* provoked, but his overreaction (attempted murder and then false charges) was impressive. Good luck calming a cop down after saying 'fuck you' right to his face. Maybe you are talking about speeding tickets or something.
>NEVER EVER did I get pissed or mouthy with them.
You would not get angry if a cop swore at you for complaining about something? As far as being mouthy yes most people aren't mouthy with the police because they are afraid of them. I was afraid of them as well, but it just got me so mad that he could swear at me like that and that I was not allowed to swear back. Like he is a higher class of citizen. He can verbally abuse me, but I am not allowed to verbally abuse him back?
>He escalated, you responded and escalated
I was out driving to get a pizza. They stopped me and detained me for no reason other than the fact that I refused to answer their stupid questions. I was complaining about how wrong these roadblocks are and he escalated by saying something like, "Shut up you asshole. Then I escalated by saying, 'fuck you'. Then he escalated by attempting to kill me. That last escalation is what I have a problem with. Only a violent psychopath who thinks he can get away with anything would actually do that. It's just crazy. In fact it is so crazy that I think a lot of people would choose not to believe my story. Another reason I took a plea deal.
The whole system of beating + cover charges works quite well really. Otherwise I may have complained about getting beaten for swearing at the cop. Swearing is 100% legal. Beating people up is not. I say 'may have' because complaining about a cop who is *that* murderous and crazy and stupid is in itself kind of stupid or at least ill-advised. I wanted to report him to the FBI, but I was afraid he might have just come to my house and shot me one night because obviously he did not have a problem with murdering me and certainly he did not fear any consequences for doing so.
>The sad part is that all interactions you have with cops now and in the future are tainted by this and all cops are bad no mater what.
It's much worse than that. I can no longer even live in a state where such roadblocks are legal. Can you imagine what would happen if I encountered another one? Well if I could see the roadblock far enough away I would just pull to the side and wait until first light when they pack up and leave. But otherwise I would flee. I would run. I would be thinking of that cop strangling me and being sure I was going to die. Even abandoning my car if I had to and sprint into the nearest woods or anywhere else. Cops don't tend to react rationally to someone running from them. So it probably wouldn't end well. At the very least they would beat me for running when they caught me and then...you guessed it...again with the cover charges to cover their asses.
Basically I now see all male American cops as psychopathic, saidistic, murderers, as people who would have no problem casually killing another human being over even the most minor disrespect or insult. In even the most minor interactions with them I am utterly terrified. Only in the US though. I am living outside the US a the moment luckily and here I am not afraid of the police. There's no reason to be. They are usually just normal humans doing their job for monetary reasons. The most they will do is ask me for a bribe. It would never even occur to them to beat or kill me. American cops are bullies and sociopaths and sadists in love with violence. Luckily that is not the case in most of the world.
It may surprise you to know however that even after my experience I *still* wouldn't answer their invasive questions, but the experience has taught me that you cannot treat US cops as if they are normal human beings. Most are not. At least in my state. I complained to that cop as if he were a fellow human being like me who might at least entertain the idea that detaining innocent people without 'reasonable suspicioon' was wrong/immoral and what happened? He tries to kill me for disrespecting him and then even that is not enough and he tries to put me in prison for 6-10 years or whatever Assault with a Deadly Weapon would have gotten me. He would have loved that though. You should have seen him smiling at me in court when things went exactly as he was expecting them to. He knew he had nothing to fear from his actions despite the fact that there were lots of other police officers around who observed the whole thing.
>Cause and effect.
Yes, well I knew there would be some sort of consequence when I spoke those two words. I thought he might arrest me, maybe on trumped up charges. In fact when I said it I didn't even know if swearing at a cop was legal or not in my state. It certainly seemed like the sort of thing for which there would be laws against. I of course didn't realize that the consequences might involve leaving that parking lot in a zipped up body bag. As I said he was ex-military. Presumably that is how he would have responded to disrespect in Afghanistan. So why not do the same at home?
Body cams aren't really enough I think to stop guys like the one who assaulted me. He would just turn it off or remove it or 'lose' it probably. Even if he were so enraged that he didn't have time to think about it all it would have meant was that I wouldn't have had to worry about the cover charges afterward. Guys like that will still beat and in some cases even murder suspects who disrespect them in front of their peers and they are unlikely to suffer much more than a week or two of paid leave at best if it were caught on video.