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Comment Re:Oh drop it already (Score 2) 479

So the Secretary of State was recieving TS-SAP information, marked as that mind you, from a person she at least should have known did not have clearance and took no action. That alone is a demonstration of gross negligence, which is also a violation of both policy and law. You're not helping her.

On other facets you're flat our wrong. Here's a transcript of the exchange between Comey and Congressman Trey Gowdy during the Congressional hearing after the investigation was initially closed:

Gowdy: Good morning, Director Comey. Secretary Clinton said she never sent or received any classified information over her private e-mail, was that true?

Comey: Our investigation found that there was classified information sent, three seperate times in this exchange alone.

Gowdy: It was not true?

Comey: That's what I said.

Gowdy: OK. Well, I'm looking for a shorter answer so you and I are not here quite as long. Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her e-mails sent or received. Was that true?

Comey: That's not true. There were a small number of portion markings on I think three of the documents.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said "I did not e-mail any classified information to anyone on my e-mail there was no classified material." That is true?

Comey: There was classified information emailed.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton used one device, was that true?

Comey: She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as Secretary of State.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said all work related emails were returned to the State Department. Was that true?

Comey: No. We found work related email, thousands, that were not returned.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said neither she or anyone else deleted work related emails from her personal account.

Comey: That's a harder one to answer. We found traces of work related emails in — on devices or in space. Whether they were deleted or when a server was changed out something happened to them, there's no doubt that the work related emails that were removed electronically from the email system.

Gowdy: Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails and were overly inclusive. Did her lawyers read the email content individually?

Comey: No.

Gowdy: Well, in the interest of time and because I have a plane to catch tomorrow afternoon, I'm not going to go through any more of the false statements but I am going to ask you to put on your old hat. Faults exculpatory statements are used for what?

Comey: Well, either for a substantive prosecution or evidence of intent in a criminal prosecution.

Gowdy: Exactly. Intent and consciousness of guilt, right?

Comey: That is right?

Gowdy: Consciousness of guilt and intent? In your old job you would prove intent as you referenced by showing the jury evidence of a complex scheme that was designed for the very purpose of concealing the public record and you would be arguing in addition to concealment the destruction that you and i just talked about or certainly the failure to preserve.

You would argue all of that under the heading of content. You would also — intent. You would also be arguing the pervasiveness of the scheme when it started, when it ended and the number of emails whether

They were originally classified or of classified under the heading of intent. You would also, probably, under common scheme or plan, argue the burn bags of daily calendar entries or the missing daily calendar entries as a common scheme or plan to conceal.

Two days ago, Director, you said a reasonable person in her position should have known a private email was no place to send and receive classified information. You're right. An average person does know not to do that.

This is no average person. This is a former First Lady, a former United States senator, and a former Secretary of State that the president now contends is the most competent, qualified person to be president since Jefferson. He didn't say that in '08 but says it now.

She affirmatively rejected efforts to give her a account, kept the private emails for almost two years and only turned them over to Congress because we found out she had a private email account.

So you have a rogue email system set up before she took the oath of office, thousands of what we now know to be classified emails, some of which were classified at the time. One of her more frequent email comrades was hacked and you don't know whether or not she was.

And this scheme took place over a long period of time and resulted in the destruction of public records and yet you say there is insufficient evidence of intent. You say she was extremely careless, but not intentionally so.

You and I both know intent is really difficult to prove. Very rarely do defendants announce 'On this date I intend to break this criminal code section. Just to put everyone on notice, I am going to break the law on this date.'

It never happens that way. You have to do it with circumstantial evidence or if you're Congress and you realize how difficult it is prove, specific intent, you will form lathe a statute that allows for gross negligence.

My time is out but this is really important. You mentioned there's no precedent for criminal prosecution. My fear is there still isn't. There's nothing to keep a future Secretary of State or President from this exact same email scheme or their staff.

And my real fear is this, what the chairman touched upon, this double track justice system that is rightly or wrongly perceived in this country. That if you are a private in the Army and email yourself classified information you will be kicked out. But if you are Hillary Clinton, and you seek a promotion to Commander in Chief, you will not be. So what I hope you can do today is help the average person, the reasonable person you made reference to, the reasonable person understand why she appears to be treated differently than the rest of us would be. With that I would yield back.

Comey specifically acknowleges that data marked classified was transmitted and received.
And this is aside from the fact that if you hold a TS or higher clearance, you are expected to recognize data that has national security implications, and ensure that its handled properly. For any data that was not marked classified in the emails, it was still her responsibility to put an end to the unsecured transmission of data that could be harmful to human intelligence assets, signals intelligence programs, or politically damaging if obtained by other nation states. Even if she didnt break the law (and I believe it has been proven that she has) she has showed gross mismanagement of highly sensitive information in the name of her personal convenience, which suggests that her judgement his highly suspect, and she should not be in a position where that judgement is even more critical

And even if you make the leaps necessary to excuse all of the above, she flat out blatantly lied to the American people, repeatedly and deliberately. While not a crime, it would take willful ignorance or intellectual or moral dishonesty to support her.

Comment Re:Oh drop it already (Score 1) 479

There's a huge leap from a spill (allowing classified data to make its way to an un-class storage), and removing TS+ data from secured facilities, and providing access to people who hold no level of clearance at all.

How about Kristian Saucier, was was sentenced to 1 year in prison for taking 6 photographs that were later classified "confidential" (the lowest possible classification besides FIUO), and the prosecution actually asked for 6 years sentence.

How about Stephen Kim, who was sentance to 13 months in prison for sharing one classified report on North Korea with Fox News?

How about Thomas Drake, a former NSA employee who blew the whistle on waste and abuse INTERNALLY to his agency which was eventually upheld by a DoD IG, and then he was prosecuted and convicted of leaking classified data, although he didnt serve any time?

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. While there might be cases where people get a slap on the wrist, there are plenty of cases in which people have their careers ruined and go to jail for far less than Clinton is suspected of. She mishandled the highest possible levels of classified data that our nation holds, she lied about, she destoryed evidence, and she allowed action to be taken that made it nearly impossible to a complete investigation of. And then the FBI destroyed the relevant devices for her !

Comment Re:Oh drop it already (Score 4, Informative) 479

How you can argue that it's been "completely investigated" when new batches of emails are magically discovered on nearly a weekly basis?

Not to mention the fact that Commey and the FBI laid out every facet to convict, but stated that they didnt prosecute because they didnt think they could make a case that she intended to commit a crime. Intent is not a factor for conviction. An act (or lack of action) is a crime, or its not. Intent is a potential factor in sentencing, not in gaining a conviction. The FBI already laid out that she is unequivocally guilty. That ship has sailed.

It's strongly believed now that Commey (and Lynch and Obama) are being heavily pressured by whistleblowers within the FBI that there every criteria was already met to prosecute, and were going to come forward with the damning details if the FBI didnt reopen the case and treat it with equal justice under the law.

And dont forget that the case was dropped the first time after Clinton's husband, a former US President, met in private with the sitting Secratary of Justice, Loretta Lynch. If there's evidence now that the conversation was not in fact specific to yoga, and their kid, then the scope of the investigation could (and should) increase to whether or not there was prosecutorial misconduct, obstruction of justice, and corruption within the Dept of Justice, ALL under Obama.

Comment Re:Oh drop it already (Score 4, Insightful) 479

I'm Never-Trump. I'm also fully supportive of the issue being fully investigated, and Clinton being treated exactly like every other person that holds a security clearance. Or are you saying that she should be treated differently because she's a woman? Or because she's rich? Or because she's white?

Comment Re:Hmm (Score 1) 287

Entertainment that is state-run does not. It is a propaganda tool by which the state defines the message it means to portray. And in a state in which the people have little to say on how things operate the message might have little to do with the predominant attitude toward killing. I use the word predominant specifically rather than dominant to illustrate that the dominant force (the state, and the minority) in the region might have very little to do with the predominant attitude (the people, and the majority) of the populace. No one claims that Soviet Russia was a cute cuddly regime. And if you believe it to be so based on state-operated entertainment industry, then you perfectly illustrate the very thing I'm pointing out.

Comment Re:Hmm (Score 1) 287

Are you honestly suggesting that the entertainment industry in the Soviet Union and the United States in the 70's accurately depicts the clandestine operations of their respective regions? Or any nationstate for that matter, in any era? You do realize is fiction, right?

That aside, are you suggesting that the state-run entertainment industry in the Soviet Union would have accurately reflected the barbarism of it's own operations?

It takes a pretty distorted sense of reality to propose either.

Comment Re:Double standard (Score 1) 287

The reason FOX news has a problem is that it's biased. It has to coach its coverage because, as you point out, they like that this happened to the DNC. It proves they dont have (many) real journalist but do have an agenda.

And they arent at all unlike any other media outlet. They all have an agenda now, and they will all lie and manipulate and cherry pick the "news" in order to try to sway the public to one side or the other. The net result is that people unwilling to spend the necessary time to investigate for themselves and find the truth between all the lines of bullshit we are fed will regurgitate the lies in concise little tweets and bumber stickers and perpetuate the problem.

We have a nation that has been fully suckered into this us-vs-them shitstorm of seperationist politics and "news" is the willing lynchpin in the operation.

Comment Re:Hmm (Score 1) 287

I'd agree with the basic premise here, but I'd argue that the current state is not due isolationism. It's in large part due to our currently policies of placation. We apologize for our indiscretions, we appease with kind words, we pretend that its possible to just hug it all out and everyone will go home with giant smiles about how much we've evolved. But the reality is that the Russian culture respects strength. They reject the kid-gloves approach as weakness and see it as an invitation to aggression.

This is why they were emboldened to retake Crimea as a test-bed to the world's reaction to rebuilding the former Soviet dominance of the region. The message they received, even after providing weapons that took a passenger airliner out of the sky and killing all on board (if the Russian military wasnt directly responsible themselves) resulting in absolutely no repercussions. Nothing. No one did a damn thing about any of it. They retook an a economically and militarily important area by force and the world didnt seem to care. They are simply continuing what appears to be a military campaign to gain power in more regions through proxy, as they did in Crimea, thumbing their nose at a global political movement that doesnt like their actions but wont do shit to stop it because the necessary action is to put a foot down as say it wont be tolerated.

This extends to their "meddling" in our elections through even more proxies. They dont even seem too concerned that we have noted it, pointed it out, and many are complaining about it, because they know that the weak administration and even many of the Republicans in Congress dont have the stones to push back.

Comment Re:now they can choose (Score 1) 171

You do realize you're talking about a sliver of the horses in the nation, right? I'm not saying I like the race horse industry. I'm simply saying that you're essentially falsely judging millions of very responsible and loving horse owners based on a vast minority of them associated with a very specific industry. It's like comparing every person who gardens to massive farming operations clear-cutting rainforests.

Comment Re:now they can choose (Score 1) 171

As a human example, pretty much everyone knows that diets relatively low in fat and sugar will benefit their health, but that doesn't mean they like them.

And yet we have a government increasingly interested in telling us we're damn well going to do what they think is best for us whether we like it or not. No salt on restaurant tables, no 32.oz soda drinks, regulation on alcohol, tobacco, drugs, etc.

So I guess what you're saying is that the government treats us like we treat horses.

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