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Comment Probably never (Score 1) 338

My job entails being a primary contact between IT operations and the lines of business, designing automated measurements, reporting on incidents and downtime, approving change schedules, planning upgrades alongside IT development, the kind of tasks that need a human touch.

Outsourced? Maybe. Replaced by a robot? Probably not.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

All the more reason that it's puzzling that artists would leave their own income on the table and allow scalpers to make the extra money. Why not play more shows at conventional prices or auction the tickets to eliminate the profit margin of scalpers?

It's only puzzling to people who think everything in this world revolves around extracting as much short-term profit as possible from any given situation. These artists are in it for the long run. They don't play music simply for profit, you'll only last a couple of years with that attitude. They play music because they love playing music, and they're trying to make it last for as long as possible. And like I've explained multiple times before, you can't just add shows or build in room for more shows into the touring schedule. You have to account for available venue, staff, your own crew and a whole host of other money and time sinks.

That is the major flaw in your thinking. You cannot think outside your market paradigm. The relationship between performers, fans, touring, recording and a host of other factors is a hell of a lot more complicated than a simple market model.

Like I've told you a couple of times: We've made it illegal to resell tickets above face value here, and it works. I don't care about your market theories, this is about what works in the real world, not in your textbooks.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

Why should they?

In these cases, I'll sell to the first person to contact me. The price is already set, there is no negotation needed. It makes it much easier for both parties. I'm a fan too, I don't want to rip off fellow fans.

You libertarian "the free market will solve all problems!" types really need to wake up and realize that not every part of life is a competitive bidding war.

Comment Re:Easiest solution (Score 1) 120

Scalpers only make it "easier" to find tickets if you're way late to the party and only find out about the show at the last minute.

And the scalpers are actually making it harder to buy tickets late, from an official source, as they buy up large amounts of ticket to sell for ridiculous profits. They're creating an artificial shortage.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

It's a bad thing because it creates an unstable market for tickets and results in scalping!

You're blaming the artists, venues and ticket sellers for the scalping. No, blame the goddamn scalpers for being greedy fucks!

Your reasoning seems to be that if they simply sold the tickets at higher prices, there would be no scalpers. If they increased the prices to what the scalpers charge, they wouldn't sell out the venue.

You're really sounding like an economy 101 student right now. Newsflash: Not everything is a classical market. Hell, even Adam Smith realized that not every area is best served by a classical market.

If you want to be pissed off about high ticket prices, blame the artist for having too few performances. They can easily address the supply side of the market by playing more concerts. If a concert with $25 tickets (I just made the number up, I only wish they were that cheap) sells out and results in $250 scalped tickets the fan-savvy solution is to just perform more concerts in a given city.

It's blindingly obvious that you have absolutely no idea how touring schedules, venue booking, staffing, transportation or anything related to these subjects actually works in the real world, outside your economics textbooks.

A touring schedule has to be made in advance to accommodate extra shows, way before the tickets go on sale, you can't just add new dates willy-nilly. And if you put in room for extra shows beforehand, you'll end up with a band just wasting their time for a couple of days to a week between shows.

IMHO, the larger problem here has something to do with the nature of popular musicians (whether it's Metallica or Adele). I don't think many of them think of themselves as performing musicians, but they think of themselves as recording musicians. They don't tour that much, or if they do, their idea of a "World Tour" is 75-odd concerts in 9 months, covering the entire world, after selling 5 million records. If you can sell 5 million records, shouldn't that mean you can sell 5 million tickets at reasonable prices?

It would seem there's a short-term publicity machine at work here, that's as or more focused on short-term popularity rather than long term artistry.

Holy shit, how is it even possible to be this wrong about a subject.

The vast majority of artists make the overwhelming bulk of their income from touring and especially from merch sales at shows, probably 80-90% or more.

Putting out a record generally only makes the record companies money, the artists get a pittance, unless they're gigantic stars with their own lawyers on retainer.

No, I intentionally glossed over it, because arbitrage for iPhones usually only happens for the first 1-2 months the new model is available (in the US) and then shifts to international arbitrage, selling new models where they aren't yet available. And Apple has gotten a lot better at ramping up production to eliminate this.

Apple has been getting better at managing their artificial shortages.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

And how do you propose the bands structure their touring plans for this? Keep in mind that the touring schedule is set before any tickets are sold, and they can't just hang around every city for 3-4 days on the off chance that they could sell more shows.

You're being very silly right now, and you obviously have no idea how venue booking, staffing, touring or any of this works in the real world.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

Popular concerts are usually priced well below the demand price ceiling

Why is this somehow a bad thing? Sure, there is a drive to maximize profits, but it is countered by a drive to not piss off your fans and primary customers with ridiculously high ticket prices. Maybe "the market will bear it" in the short term, but at the price of pissing of a large part of your customer and fan base.

It could work if your entire customer base had large amounts of disposable income, but by and large, they don't. Music fans are generally working people with ordinary incomes. They usually have to save up for tickets, and they don't appreciate being made to feel ripped off.

this is the demand price ceiling, the price above which people will not buy and will seek alternatives

You seem to not understand how fandom works. There is no alternative for Metallica for a Metallica fan.

pple prices iPhones at about 3x their manufacturing price and has high demand and waiting lists, but almost no "scalping" because they have already priced the phone close to the demand ceiling *because* they are using their monopoly on supply to set the price. If they didn't, there would be "scalping" of iPhones at the price the demand would bear.

Uh, have you completely missed what happens whenever a new Apple product goes on sale? Within hours or less, listings pop up at Ebay, Craigslist and other sites, selling brand-new iPhones for 2-3x the price Apple is charging. I know they've been trying to curb it by only allowing each customer to buy a single iPhone, but there are relatively simple ways around that, and the profits are definitely worth it.

The price *has* to rise to control demand, and pricing tickets near the demand price ceiling is the only way to do this. Price the tickets very high and then slowly reduce the price as demand falls, but hold prices if demand is constant. This keeps the price at the market demand ceiling and eliminates the profit that scalpers need to operate.

This will also severely piss off the fans, and without fan goodwill, you are nothing as an artist. It will be seen as greedy and petty, and it will turn fans into haters.

The major flaw in your thinking is that you only think about maximizing profits. But you're completely forgetting the human element, the artist-fan relationship, the long-term goodwill and a bunch of other "soft" factors.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

What? It has been done here (Denmark), and ticket reselling above face value basically doesn't exist anymore. The risk:reward factor simply isn't worth it for the scalpers.

And you can still buy tickets from people outside the venue, from people who may have an extra ticket, because a friend couldn't come. I've done that multiple times, and simply paid face value. Hell, I was even given a ticket for free once.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

No, you can't just "add shows" whenever you want, based on ticket sales. When it happens, it's extremely rare, and only because the tour schedule was built around it beforehand.

You need a venue (and all associated people) and you need the time. Artists generally don't just play one concert once, they tour with a set schedule, which is set long before the tickets go on sale.

You really don't have any goddamn clue how this stuff actually works in the real world, do you?

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

The market doesn't really exist in this case. There is just one source of tickets, selling at a price agreed to by the venue, the artists and the ticket seller, set at a level where the expect to be able to fill the venue. There is no market when you only have a single source of the good you want to buy. And don't call it a monopoly, because how the hell would you even create market competition for the same single venue's seats?

Scalpers are scammers who artificially drive up prices, by creating artificial scarcity.

Comment Re:Ticket sellers should just run dutch auctions. (Score 1) 120

why not simply make it illegal to sell tickets at above face value?

Because making selling some things illegal doesn't work? Here in Minnesota scalping used to be illegal and it never stopped anyone, and like drugs, it only made the problems worse (fake tickets, etc).

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It shouldn't be illegal to resell tickets. In some cases, I've bought tickets for a show, and later found out that I could not attend. I sold the tickets at face value to someone who was able to attend, but didn't get a ticket before they sold out.

It would simply be a regulation on maximum price, not an outright prohibition on reselling. We introduced this rule a couple of decades here, and it really does work.

It is possible that some people make fake tickets, and sell them to people who then discover that they can't get in. But this also happens now, allowing scalping does not curb fake tickets at all.

The bottom line is you're chasing a good priced below what the market will bear and the market will respond by pushing the ticket price up.

But it's not a "what the market will bear" situation. Ticket sales for an even are generally from one source only, with a price agreed upon by the venue, the artist's management and the ticket company. In this situation, there is no market competition. The price is set at a level where they expect to be able to fill the venue.

Scalpers are simply scammers, driving up prices by creating artificial scarcity.

My personal response has just been to see fewer "popular" shows and attend more local/indie events. They're priced reasonably and easier to get into, and quite often just plain better because the venues are more intimate. I will still go to the occasional (once a year or less) popular event, usually because my wife wants to go, but really at that point I'm happy to buy from the legal resellers we have -- I can actually *get* the tickets then and not worry about getting ripped off.

On this, we completely agree. I just came home last night from a tiny show featuring two local bands. ~50 people in a room not much larger than my apartment's living room, and we even managed to get a good mosh and a wall of death going. I love it when the artists can get right up in your face, you don't get that with big shows.

Comment Re:Supply and demand (Score 1) 120

Is there currently a problem with "car scalpers"?

No, because you have a huge number of sellers to choose from, both first-hand and second-hand.

Not so with tickets. Generally the tickets for a particular show is only sold through one outlet, at a price that has been agreed on by the venue, the artist('s management) and the ticket company.

Scalpers unfairly deprive people of the ability to buy tickets at the agreed price, by creating artificial scarcity. Hence why regulation is needed.

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