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NVIDIA Unveils Next Gen Pascal GPU With Stacked 3D DRAM and GeForce GTX Titan Z

Unknown Lamer posted about 6 months ago | from the reinforcing-the-memory-hierarchy dept.

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MojoKid (1002251) writes "NVIDIA's 2014 GTC (GPU Technology Conference) kicked off today in San Jose California, with NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang offering up a healthy dose of new information on next generation NVIDIA GPU technologies. Two new NVIDIA innovations will be employed in their next-gen GPU technology, now know by its code named 'Pascal." First, there's a new serial interconnect known as NVLink for GPU-to-CPU and GPU-to-GPU communication. Though details were sparse, apparently NVLink is a serial interconnect that employs differential signaling with embedded clock and it allows for unified memory architectures and eventually cache coherency. It's similar to PCI Express in terms of command set and programming model but NVLink will offer a massive 5 — 12X boost in bandwidth up to 80GB/sec.

The second technology to power NVIDIA's forthcoming Pascal GPU is 3D stacked DRAM technology.The technique employs through-silicon vias that allow the ability to stack DRAM die on top of each other and thus provide much more density in the same PCB footprint for the DRAM package. Jen-Hsun also used his opening keynote to show off NVIDIA's most powerful graphics card to date, the absolutely monstrous GeForce GTX Titan Z. The upcoming GeForce GTX Titan Z is powered by a pair of GK110 GPUs, the same chips that power the GeForce GTX Titan Black and GTX 780 Ti. All told, the card features 5,760 CUDA cores (2,880 per GPU) and 12GB of frame buffer memory—6GB per GPU. NVIDIA also said that the Titan Z's GPUs are tuned to run at the same clock speed, and feature dynamic power balancing so neither GPU creates a performance bottleneck."

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And at only 78,000 USD, it's a steal! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583717)

And you'll never need to turn on the heater again!

Re:And at only 78,000 USD, it's a steal! (4, Interesting)

Rhys (96510) | about 6 months ago | (#46584115)

Even if it wasn't 78k (and it isn't, they listed it at 3k if you RTFA) that is a steal if your compute load can actually extract the 8 Tflop from it -- assuming that's the 64-bit flop, not the 32-bit flop.

I mean, slightly under 10 years ago I know a big-10 university that paid 3000k for a cluster with less Tflops (around 7, but not all in one computation/network).

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, another few years that should be in laptops or phones.

Re:And at only 78,000 USD, it's a steal! (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 6 months ago | (#46584351)

that paid 3000k

They paid 3 million bucks for it?

Re:And at only 78,000 USD, it's a steal! (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#46587009)

It'll be 32bit.

Bitcoin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46590285)

But how fast does it mine Bitcoin?

Re:And at only 78,000 USD, it's a steal! (1)

dicobalt (1536225) | about 6 months ago | (#46584179)

No! It's only going to cost $3000.

The obvious question (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583723)

Can it run Crysis?

Re:The obvious question (1)

DarkAce911 (245282) | about 6 months ago | (#46587523)

Better, how many hashs can it get on cudaminer?

For you sick of proprietary CUDA, it's not OpenCL (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583731)

but switching to Pascal is a step in the right direction if a bit retro, I guess.

PASCAL? Shoulda gone with LOGO! (4, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | about 6 months ago | (#46584265)

LOGO would have been a better choice, since it's a graphically oriented language.
Turtles all the way down.

Re:PASCAL? Shoulda gone with LOGO! (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 6 months ago | (#46585375)

Turtles all the way down.

Doesn't seem too convincing for a fast GPU. But I guess it will be great for mining Slothcoins.

Re:For you sick of proprietary CUDA, it's not Open (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 6 months ago | (#46584393)

I'll wait until they supply DirectX and OpenGL bindings for Brainfuck.

Stability is a problem (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583733)

Every Nvidia GPU we've purchased for CUDA compute tasks in the past five years has crashed frequently under load.

Re:Stability is a problem (5, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | about 6 months ago | (#46584283)

But is this a failure of the implementation or a failure of the installation?

It's really easy to say "It crashes all the time".

But it's also really easy to leave out "Our compute cluster space is running at 100+ degrees ambient and our power distribution is shoddy."
It's also really easy to leave out things like "Our no-name, cut-rate motherboards, memory and PSUs probably aren't up to the task of running these things at maximum utilization."

Re:Stability is a problem (1)

lgw (121541) | about 6 months ago | (#46585691)

Motherboards are a real issue as GPUs run quite hot under load, and so many motherboards start cracking under the thermal stress. Good for 6-12 months, and then they start crashing frequently under load. And there's no solid guide to the good ones (it's not the sort of thing you can test in a week), which is very frustrating for hobby system builders.

Re:Stability is a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46599487)

You should pay close attention to the capacitors used on the motherboard then, high quality Japanese are best.

Stacked 3D ram! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583769)

Wouldn't that make it 4D?

Re:Stacked 3D ram! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583879)

As time goes on, you'll be correct.

Re:Stacked 3D ram! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585155)

Interestingly enough it can even be 5D. As long as it's a black box and you are not allowed to look inside you can't tell the difference.

By the way, X,Y,Z, T, and Value. Does the Value make another dimension?

Re:Stacked 3D ram! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587221)

"You're not thinking 4th dimensionally Marty!"

Captcha; murdered, lol because of my quote above.

A chip called Pascal? (2, Funny)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46583833)

Either its the BEGINning of a new era in GPUs , or its called Pascal because its actually French and will go on strike the minute its asked to render a game more complex than Flappy Bird.

Re:A chip called Pascal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583909)

You started off strong with the Pascal reference, but finished pretty weak with Flappy Bird...

Re:A chip called Pascal? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 6 months ago | (#46583941)

He wanted to write a shorter first post, but didn't make it in time.

THIS... is Pascal (modern pascal)... apk (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584251)

Borland Delphi Object Pascal 7.1 to be precise (?) -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

* :)

(Great language & IDE - does everything pretty much that C++ can do (except multiple inheritance) & as EASILY as VB... best of BOTH worlds, in 1 tool!)

APK

P.S.=> It's my favorite, & has been, since it "stole me away" from MSVC++ &/or MSVB circa 1997, when Delphi "knocked the chocolate" out of them BOTH in 7/10 tests (especially MATH & STRING work, where it literally DOUBLED & THEN SOME its score in the tests over MSVC++ even...) done, no less, in a competing trade journal (Visual Basic Programmer's Journal Sept./Oct. 1997 issue "Inside the VB 5 Compiler")...

... apk

Re:THIS... is Pascal (modern pascal)... apk (1, Flamebait)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46584329)

For you and all the other clueless idiots out there who didn't get it - Pascal is a French name , the language was named after Blaise Pascal FFS.

LMAO - "yea, right".. apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584345)

I know the HISTORY of the language moron (& I even use it, do you? Doubt it).

APK

P.S.=> Take a peek, & "eat your words" dumbass -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

... apk

Re:LMAO - "yea, right".. apk (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46584449)

Eat what words? Did you even read what I wrote or are you on drugs? No wonder you post A/C - you probably can't understand the instructions how to create an account.

STFU dumbass... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584465)

I know the language's history, fool: Did YOU read what I wrote? No, obviously... & by comparison to YOUR USELESS ASS?? I actually even DO things folks can use gaining undeniably greater speed, security, reliability, + even more anonymity (to an extent) online with it... unlike YOU.

APK

P.S.=> Go away, douchebag - you're useless... apk

Re:STFU dumbass... apk (0)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46584705)

"gaining undeniably greater speed, security, reliability"

Whatever. No one cares you Aspergers idiot. Obviously you can't even spot a joke when its fucking signposted. Sad.

You obviously do, lol... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584771)

Since YOU? Haven't done SHIT... & now, everyone knows it stupid - after all: I can literally SHOW something decent I've done that works (great too)... have you?? No.

APK

P.S.=> There's 2 kinds of people: The "REAL deal" (myself, who actually know & use programming tools to do good stuff for others) & those that merely know "histories" (or write about them, but doing nothing else), like you (which I knew TOO, because the Turbo Pascal boxes for DOS even had photos of Blaise Pascal on them, & I've been using it since version 4.5 into 7.0 for DOS, then Turbo Pascal for Windows later, & lastly, Borland Delphi - unlike YOU, a mere "big talker" b.s. artist, lol)... apk

Re:You obviously do, lol... apk (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46584989)

"I can literally SHOW something decent I've done that works (great too"

Go on then , post a link to your code.

Better question's this: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585169)

No, show us YOURS (that you don't have) & I posted a link to a Pascal app I did!

Now - & as far as my sourcecode?

Ask Mr. Steven Burn who is 1 of the sites in the security community that hosts my app for me, no less!

(He's hpHosts' malwarebytes site owner & works for malwarebytes)

Yes - he's SEEN & VERIFIED IT for passing JOTTI online tests & others (for security purposes): sburn@malwarebytes.org (OR contact him here http://blog.malwarebytes.org/a... [malwarebytes.org] )

APK

P.S.=> YOU fail (on ALL levels) & as was said here by others in regards to yourself? The ONLY JOKE around here, is you... apk

Re:Better question's this: (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 months ago | (#46585285)

Listen stroppy little boy, you're the one boasting about what an incredible coder your are so post a damn link. I'm not interested in what your little pals have to say , I want to see the code itself.

I suspect however - as they say in Texas - you're all hat and no cattle.

LMAO - I don't HAVE to (I did) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585541)

I never boasted that either. Attempting to "put words in my mouth" I never said? Please, lol - YOU? Fail!

APK

P.S.=> Again: "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" you done zilch talker -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/c... [slashdot.org] & especially since you are NOTHING but "talk" & no action, whereas I can show the reverse on MY end, easily (& you? Can't... lol!).

No, show us YOURS (that you don't have) & I posted a link to a Pascal app I did!

Now - As far as my sourcecode?

Ask Mr. Steven Burn who is 1 of the sites in the security community that hosts my app for me, no less!

(He's hpHosts' malwarebytes site owner & works for malwarebytes)

Yes - he's SEEN & VERIFIED IT for passing JOTTI online tests & others (for security purposes): sburn@malwarebytes.org (OR contact him here http://blog.malwarebytes.org/a... [malwarebytes.org] )

YOU fail (on ALL levels) & as was said here by others in regards to yourself? The ONLY JOKE around here, is you... apk

Re:LMAO - I don't HAVE to (I did) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587297)

wow laugh of the day for this other A/C.
good times all around.
That is one crazy A/C. I still can't figure out why he got all offended anyway, maybe he is on drugs. What else is there to do when you only get to work 30 hours a week.

Re:LMAO - I don't HAVE to (I did) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587677)

Right. This guy's a dildo. Not funny at all imho http://hardware.slashdot.org/c... [slashdot.org] but it was funny seeing him get spanked the way he did with nothing to show for himself but a lot of hot air.

Re:LMAO - I don't HAVE to (I did) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46591569)

Only? 30 hours per week is considered full time in many civilised areas of the world. Americans are brainwashed into thinking it's normal to work 40, 60 or even 80 hours per week.

As for the other AC, he is a nutjob who desperately needs the help of a psychiatrist.

Re:LMAO - I don't HAVE to (I did) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46591613)

The ac who posted about his hosts program's up moderated though.

IF that's directed to ME? A challenge... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46591641)

You're more than welcome to prove me wrong (good luck) http://hardware.slashdot.org/c... [slashdot.org]

* :)

(See - when you ac trolls are REDUCED to mere effete useless off-topic illogical ad hominem attacks &/OR unjustifiable downmods instead of being able to prove me wrong (which you clearly can't)? YOU FAIL - & you know it, I KNOW IT, & others reading here certainly do also: NO questions asked...))

APK

P.S.=> And, that IS that - period...

... apk

Re:IF that's directed to ME? A challenge... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46593839)

You don't comment because you have something to say, you comment to spam your shitty little tool that anyone could bang together as a very small script in an hour. There is a reason people don't and that is because using a hosts file for filtering is idiotic. If I want something blocked, it gets blocked at the router. Go learn something about networking, junior.

LOL, really? It's been TRIED before... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46597323)

Only to have me SHRED the noob moron (like yourself) who tried (& f'd up most of it, via script kiddie scriptwork) here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (enumerated lists there SHOW he didn't even understand the data or nuances involved in it, for example)... it's no "1st" either (would you LIKE an example of others who said what you did, tried it, & FUCKED UP LARGE, with shitty charactermode scriptwork? Ask....)

* :)

(YOU? Fail...)

APK

P.S. => You sure "talk a big game" but, where's YOURS to compare to mine moron? It's not... & even IF you had one (shit scriptwork users DO NOT LIKE or USE mind you, vs. GUI apps)?? It'd be MERE IMITATION... that's all dolts like YOU are capable of anyhow, lol... apk

Additionally? An IDIOT can use a router... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46601203)

"Go learn something about networking"? See subject-line... LMAO - I was doing this stuff before YOU were OUT OF DIAPERS, chump & then I made magazines, books, newspapers, & did well @ large tech trade shows in the computer sciences as well in that same timeframe... Have you? DOUBT IT.

(No - you're ALL talk, but nothing to show for yourself/no action - period(.

APK

P.S.=> See - Anyone can "talk a good game" (like YOU, hotair windbag) - very few can DO (like me)

Re:Additionally? An IDIOT can use a router... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46604503)

Then how come nobody has ever heard of you and you're not rich? Right, that's what I thought, kid.

"Eat your words" fool... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46604577)

"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."

----

Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com... [xtremepccentral.com]

It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge... [sourceforge.net] or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker... [sourceforge.net]

----

What do I have to say about that much above? I can't say it any better, than this was stated already (from the greatest book of all time, the "tech manual for life" imo):

"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 15, Verse 10

(And, because I got LUCKY to have been exposed to some really GREAT classmates, professors, & colleagues on the job over time as well)

---

* Show us you've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER than that you trolling little ac worm...

(Bottom-Line, boy: You haven't HEARD enough, or been around long enough apparently, to have heard of me (& you certainly haven't shown me YOU have done better)).

APK

P.S.=> My guess, & I'd bet I am 100% correct as usual (I always have been when I do this since 2005 here no less)... apk

Re:"Eat your words" fool... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46604615)

apk the ac posting idiot you're responding to can't do better and you know it.

You're right: I do know it... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46604769)

He's a "talker" & it's WHY I keep this list to blow his kind away with http://hardware.slashdot.org/c... [slashdot.org] sine I KNOW that ac trolls like this whimp I am dealing with haven't, and CAN'T, do shit (certainly not in comparison to myself who was doing stuff like what's in the list when IDIOTS like this ac troll trolling me was in diapers for Pete's sake... lol!).

That list works, and has worked here on /., every time, 100's of times... & I strongly wager it's going to be the SAME RESULT here now too.

APK

P.S.=> Thanks... apk

Re:IF that's directed to ME? A challenge... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46604093)

Network Admins only merely use what coders create for them. They're far less skilled than coders idiot. Without programmers, network engineers would be helpless.

Re:STFU dumbass... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584927)

the only joke around here is you.

Re:THIS... is Pascal (modern pascal)... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46591259)

Would you stop spamming your worthless little utilities?

Prove me wrong then, ac troll.. apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46591491)

Disprove 17 ipoints favoring hosts files here http://start64.com/index.php/6... [start64.com] at it's download page extolling numerous good benefits hosts files give users of them in added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity...

* :)

(Good Luck - you can't & you KNOW it ( + I know it, as does anyone else reading here...)).

APK

P.S.=> It's no 'small wonder' you post as ac, trolling me: It's fairly obvious I've destroyed you BEFORE with this very challenge (that you can't HELP but fail, lol)... apk

Re:Prove me wrong then, ac troll.. apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46593875)

It's no 'small wonder' you post as ac

Something about glass houses comes to mind...

Seriously, you need to get a life.

"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat"... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46597379)

Instead of your b.s now, "Forrest" (lol, "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!) -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/c... [slashdot.org]

* :)

YOU? Fail...

APK

P.S.=> I'd @ least *think* a wannabe "genius" like YOU, & your fellow anonymous coward trolls (you again of course) could manage it... but then, I expect too much from "your kind" (lol) @ times - what with your "10 below plantlife IQ" etc./et al... apk

Here is your HOPE and CHAINS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583899)

Hey super dorks, what has your socialist betters done for you lately? Is this another media cover up or not? Sons of Obama doing the jobs Americans won't do, is that about it?

Does anyone think that the rule of law, equally applied is what makes for a civilization? If we do not maintain our civilization then in the end things are going to be very nasty indeed. Wouldn't it be nice for laws to be adhered to by all our neighbors, and those in charge also?

Oh well...

http://therightscoop.com/200-teens-riot-in-louisville-sat-night-robbing-assaulting-people-man-claims-victim-of-attack-the-night-before/

"Riots broke out in Louisville, Kentucky on Saturday night, according to WDRB News, when 200 teens began robbing and assaulting people, including a 13-year-old girl and a man trying to help her. A woman who was parked in her car with two children in the back seat said she was also assaulted by a group of teens. She told police they repeatedly punched her and threw trash cans at her car.

WDRB News also reports that a large group of teens robbed a convenience store, assaulting the clerk as he tried to shut the doors on them. They actually have surveillance video of this attack and all the teens shown appeared to be black.

Police say there were another three victims of assaults in three separate attacks that night and they all had to be taken to the hospital. The mayor is now calling for calm in the city."

times are hard all over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584475)

bitch, you ain't seen nuthin' [wikipedia.org] yet

Re:Here is your HOPE and CHAINS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46586089)

Thanks for the mental illness Obama!

Good name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583915)

Sounds like it will blaise past the competition.

When Will Google Drive Go Away? (-1, Offtopic)

Streetlight (1102081) | about 6 months ago | (#46583919)

Google has a reputation for cancelling its services. When will Google Drive be pulled and I won't be able to get my stuff back since it would take more than my monthly data cap to do so?

Re:When Will Google Drive Go Away? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583983)

Who gives a shit? What the fuck does Google Drive have to do with a submission about Nvida? You off-topic bastard!

The Password Decimator (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583961)

hunter1....you're mine now!

This is TERRIBLE news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583971)

If this generation of GPUs is being called "Pascal," that means the next generation of GPUs will be called "Visual Basic."

Such price, much sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583979)

I've 780 SLI since last year, almost the same performance of a Titan Z for less than USD 1,000.
Way to go NVidia...

Re:Such price, much sense (5, Informative)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 6 months ago | (#46584299)

You're obviously not using float64 (or even need it.)

FP64 Titan Z: 1/3 FP32
FP64 GTX 780: 1/24 FP32

For gaming, yes 780 SLI is cheaper and better ROI.
For gpgpu computing and you _require_ 64-bit float precision, the TITAN or TITAN Z, is far faster.

Reference:

* http://www.anandtech.com/show/... [anandtech.com]

a few things left out (5, Insightful)

sribe (304414) | about 6 months ago | (#46583981)

Like the things that they announced last year, which have simply disappeared off the roadmap without mention. In other words, they are falling behind schedule, and trying desperately to spin this as ongoing progress [semiaccurate.com] .

Re:a few things left out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584119)

What do I care about the effing CEO?
Is this TMZ now?

I care about the best GPU out there to get my gaming going, and NVidia is doing it.

Re:a few things left out (2)

Payden K. Pringle (3483599) | about 6 months ago | (#46584215)

Actually, within the PC Enthusiast community, it's believed they are not behind schedule. They just have little reason to push things out quickly due to a lack of competition and need for the technologies themselves. i.e. Neither AMD nor games these days are at a point that actively require the technologies they have (had) planned to be released either to give AMD a run for their money, or to actually make the games playable at our current resolutions. 1080p/1440p are the currently most used resolutions with 4K being far off as it isn't economical yet. I'm not sure on the professional side of things, as I don't know much about that section of the industry, but from our perspective, this move makes perfect sense.

Why would they release these things, ready or not, when they don't need them? It's more economical to save whatever you've researched for when you actually need to release it, and milk what you currently have for all it's worth.

It's not good for consumers (the current tech doesn't get cheaper by much, and we don't get the new tech until later), but good for the company (i.e. more profits).

Re:a few things left out (1)

nanoflower (1077145) | about 6 months ago | (#46585493)

That doesn't agree with what I've read. Supposedly Nvidia is running behind schedule but it isn't their fault. The problem is that TSMC can't deliver on their promises so everything is being pushed out. Ideally both AMD and Nvidia would have 20NM (or what TSMC calls 20NM) GPUs out on the market already but TSMC has had issues with bringing 20NM production online. That's forcing everyone using them to rethink their planned introduction of new products.

Re:a few things left out (1)

Payden K. Pringle (3483599) | about 6 months ago | (#46585793)

Interesting. Thanks for that info. It could just be some bias in the community (which, of communities, the PC Enthusiast one is probably the most guilty of). I need to further expand my horizons.

Re:a few things left out (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 6 months ago | (#46586183)

The 750 Ti running a 128 bit memory bus is pretty clear evidence they are holding back. If they were really concerned about pushing the market, it would have a wider memory bus.

Re: a few things left out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46589545)

I have a 1080p monitor (technically a TV - 50" pioneer kuro) but I've spoiled myself and now MUST downsample (with traditional aa + smaa, performance permitting). So I've been anticipating stacked dram for some time now.

When I get a 4k monitor or TV (happy day) I want to run it at 8k (interconnect and VRAM permitting).

4k is very doable with current gen games... And makes 1080p look antiquated. I say march on nvidia... My wallet will meet you there.

Re:a few things left out (1)

edxwelch (600979) | about 6 months ago | (#46585021)

Similiarly there's no mention of a Tegra K1 SoC with LTE. I think this is a sign that Nvidia will shortly abandon the smartphone market. Without any CDMA, or TD-SCDMA in their modem support they can't sell in Chinese or American markets

Re:a few things left out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46589329)

Isn't it just a given? What market exists for a high-end phone without LTE? And why would they put LTE on their slides if their audience (developers, not marketing) don't really care (since they already assume there's an LTE)?

O tempora, o mores (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46583991)

2*6GB of RAM in a display card? That will take a few vertexes and textures to fill;)

Isn't this very similar to the PS4? (4, Interesting)

Beamboom (2692671) | about 6 months ago | (#46584137)

"[...] it allows for unified memory architectures and eventually cache coherency"

Isn't this more or less precisely how the PS4 is designed? If my memory(!) servers me correctly I'd call this a pretty good design move by Sony, something that should potentially bode well for the longevity of that console, once the games are designed for this type of architecture.

Re:Isn't this very similar to the PS4? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584207)

The PS4 has 8GB of unified GDDR5, and the GPU has 180GB/s bandwidth to that. Cache coherency with CPU is possible but reduces bandwidth to 10GB/s - quite a difference. It's cache coherent today, not eventually.

PS4 GPU has 1,152 scalar ALUs (72 x 16-way SIMD); I'm not sure how that compares to "CUDA cores", but it sounds like the Titan Z has 2x the memory, 1/2 the bandwidth, 4x the ALUs ... and 8x the price.

Re:Isn't this very similar to the PS4? (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 6 months ago | (#46585175)

You mean how AMD's unified GPU & CPU chips are designed? (The PS4 uses an AMD processor, and I believe that Sony had much less design influence it than it did on Cell.)

Yes, it seems like nVidia might finally be starting to slowly catch up...

Re:Isn't this very similar to the PS4? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about 6 months ago | (#46587257)

Yes, as is the Xbox One and the latest APUs.

AMD has been focusing on tight CPU/GPU integration. They're pretty far along with it.

Nvidia was primarily focusing on power efficiency, and they're pretty good on that front right now. Their actual mobile stuff is selling like crap because they aren't quite there yet, but compare Kepler to GCN and you'll see how efficient it is. Maxwell is supposedly more so, but they haven't launched high-end parts yet so we can't really judge yet.

Nvidia did have CPU/GPU integration on their long-term plans, but the sudden importance of it (due to AMD's console wins) seems to have caught them by surprise. They haven't really had incentive to rush it - on the mobile side, nobody seems to care about it, and on the desktop they don't have CPUs to sell the way AMD does.

And yes, that feature probably will make the consoles fairly long-lived, although they really do need more graphical horsepower. The Xb1 in particular is struggling just to run at 1080p, and neither of them will be very useful if 4K takes off.

I only HOPE they get their drivers right... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584205)

They've "F'd them up" since the TDRDebug & TDdiDebug crap MS put in to attempt to "compensate" for video driver fails during a patch Tuesday cycle... & "OH sure - just change those settings in the registry manually if/when one of our 'new drivers' doesn't work" - Ahem: WTF!?! I shouldn't HAVE TO DO THAT @ ALL/period!

I have though, attempting to "fix" what should NOT NEED A FIX that way, period... still fucks up.

* :(

(I'm also FAR from the only person that's seen that hassle too - I wish MS + NVidia would get their SHIT together on this is all...)

APK

P.S.=> Thing is, NVidia used to make the BEST DAMN DRIVERS THERE WAS (from my experience since, oh, 2000 using their stuff), until this CRAP started... apk

Heh heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584211)

I made VIC-20 RAM expansion cartridges when I was a kid. Stacking the DIPs and bending out the chip select line (and later, the RW line for playing ROMs) was the way to go! I must have been a genius. (looks around) What went wrong?

Outdated? (1)

SomeoneFromBelgium (3420851) | about 6 months ago | (#46584257)

All told, the card features 5,760 CUDA cores (2,880 per GPU) and 12GB of frame buffer memory—6GB per GPU

So... does that mean that the graphics card I just bought is outdated already??

Re:Outdated? (1)

ZenMatrix (1299517) | about 6 months ago | (#46584335)

As soon as you think about buying it, its outdated.

Re:Outdated? (1)

SomeoneFromBelgium (3420851) | about 6 months ago | (#46591305)

...and it's the slashdot post that makes you think about buying it...
So once more /. is the source of all evil.

Re:Outdated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584471)

Are you building a supercomputer? Because that's what this card is for.

Hey instead (1)

sproketboy (608031) | about 6 months ago | (#46584293)

How about getting your drivers to work?

Titan-Z Warning label (2)

Radamax (1858866) | about 6 months ago | (#46584311)

Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to the GTX Titan-Z.
Caution: the GTX Titan-Z may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
the GTX Titan-Z contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
Do not use the GTX Titan-Z on concrete.
Discontinue use of the GTX Titan-Z if any of the following occurs:
itching
vertigo
dizziness
tingling in extremities
loss of balance or coordination
slurred speech
temporary blindness
profuse sweating
heart palpitations

If the GTX Titan-Z begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.
the GTX Titan-Z may stick to certain types of skin.
When not in use, the GTX Titan-Z should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration. Failure to do so relieves the makers of the GTX Titan-Z, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company, Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.
Ingredients of the GTX Titan-Z include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.
the GTX Titan-Z has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is also being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.
Do not taunt the GTX Titan-Z.
the GTX Titan-Z comes with a lifetime guarantee.

so its a bomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584595)

its a bomb?

Re:Titan-Z Warning label (1)

bev_tech_rob (313485) | about 6 months ago | (#46585939)

Adding to that: - If you have an erection lasting longer than 6 hours, contact a physician immediately!

Re:Titan-Z Warning label (1)

joseph90 (193138) | about 6 months ago | (#46586567)

do not feed after midnight

Stacked RAM isn't anything new. (1)

Chas (5144) | about 6 months ago | (#46584315)

I remember buying memory modules where the memory was stacked way the hell back when.

The thing that's interesting about this iteration is the fact that pass-throughs have been built straight into the silicon.

Re:Stacked RAM isn't anything new. (1)

RoverDaddy (869116) | about 6 months ago | (#46585343)

I have a memory card from an original IBM PC from 1982, which has stacked memory chips. In fact, each pair of chips has ALL of their pins wired to the same contacts on the PCB. Although I have been unwilling to take apart the board to verify, this leads me to believe that the chip on top and the chip underneath are different. I'm guessing one of them has an inverter on an address line, so it will respond to even addresses, while the other responds to odd addresses.

Re:Stacked RAM isn't anything new. (1)

RoverDaddy (869116) | about 6 months ago | (#46585359)

Edit: Thinking about it, an inverter on CS (Chip Select) might be more likely.

Yes but, How well does it mine Coin?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584413)

Any graphics card mfg should be putting figures out for their cards on the mining hash rates they get for whatever virtual coin it's capable of mining.
Someone just posted code that allows you to mine SHA256 coins with Nvidia cards... it's a CUDA ccMiner app. Look for it on Github as I don't trust just random website downloads. Make .5% off of your btc as well at scrypt.cc?ref=baagt.

Nvidia has been the follower of the pack for mining scrypt coins for quite some time. Will be interesting to see if they come out with a mining specific card like AMD is working on. :)

Keep it Clean! :D

3D dram for 3D worlds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584529)

Can't wait to pair one of these bad boys with an Oculus Rift ... oh #$#(F(*F#$**SH(#$$*$#(@@#+++ ..

NO CARRI

RING

RING
NAME=LAWNMOWERMAN@facebook.com
NMBR=255255255255

This is a weapons-grade Dogecoin miner (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584591)

BRB -- going to the moon

Bad choice of name (1)

T.E.D. (34228) | about 6 months ago | (#46584833)

If I were picking a codename for my next product, I'm not sure I'd pick the name of a language famous for being useless for real work without vendor extensions.

Re:Bad choice of name (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 6 months ago | (#46585467)

If I were picking a codename for my next product, I'm not sure I'd pick the name of a language famous for being useless for real work without vendor extensions.

Especially knowing how Nvidia performs with OpenCL vs. their vendor specific solution...

it is B. Pascal not PASCAL the language (5, Funny)

fxj (267709) | about 6 months ago | (#46585713)

This is hillarious!
Everybody here thinks it is named after the programming language.

Tesla, Fermi, Kepler, Pascal,...

What do they all have in common???

yeah: a car, a satelite and a programming language

americans are so ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587315)

the schools are pathetic and half of them are republicans

Re:it is B. Pascal not PASCAL the language (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587571)

This is hillarious!
Everybody here thinks it is named after the programming language.

Tesla, Fermi, Kepler, Pascal,...

What do they all have in common???

yeah: a car, a satelite and a programming language

... And people.

Re:it is B. Pascal not PASCAL the language (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587593)

Replying to myself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_tesla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal

nVidia has a history of naming architectures against influential mathematicians/inventors.

Yield rates the hurdle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46587721)

The problem likely will be the yield rates as its manufactured as one piece instead of stacking multiple dies wcih can be pretested before assembling.

They will have to do every trick they know (and probably new ones) to get around the inevitable defects (extra redundancy and patching circuitry) and with the multiple higher level functionality (instead of just the bit cells or individual bit lines) their will potentially entire malfunctioning BANKS to be dealt with.

Does Slow and Wide work so well for main (CPU) memory though? Computing may revert back to 'batch' processing using huge cache lines which is very poor for very random memory processing (like AI)

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