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Researchers See a Post-Snowden Chilling Effect In Our Search Data

samzenpus posted about 5 months ago | from the things-have-changed dept.

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Daniel_Stuckey (2647775) writes "How risky is it to use the words "bomb," "plague," or "gun" online? That was a question we posed, tongue in cheek, with a web toy we built last year called Hello NSA. It offers users suggested tweets that use words that drawn from a list of watchwords that analysts at the Dept. of Homeland Security are instructed to search for on social media. "Stop holding my love hostage," one of the tweets read. "My emotions are like a tornado of fundamentalist wildfire." It was silly, but it was also imagined as an absurdist response to the absurdist ways that dragnet surveillance of the public and non-public Internet jars with our ideas of freedom of speech and privacy. And yet, after reading the mounting pile of NSA PowerPoints, are all of us as comfortable as we used to be Googling for a word like "anthrax," even if we were simply looking up our favorite thrash metal band? Maybe not. According to a new study of Google search trends, searches for terms deemed to be sensitive to government or privacy concerns have dropped "significantly" in the months since Edward Snowden's revelations in July."

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This is also chilling... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920853)

on September 11th, 2001, Papa Jew's delivered two pizzas to the World Trade Center. They were two large plains.

Re:This is also chilling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920971)

9/11 conspiracies are so last decade.

Re:This is also chilling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921531)

you are _last decade_ or better, you are are a bloody nsa spook who put the thermite to the twin towers

Re:This is also chilling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921709)

Please explain then how the NSA got thermite, how the hell we missed blinding white light and holes burned though concrete, etc. And why there is a perfectly reasonable method to explain why the towers collapsed when you take into account the materials used in the construction and the temperature jet fuel burns along with the impact of planes knocking loose the fire-proofing?

Re:This is also chilling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46923729)

Please explain then how the NSA got thermite, how the hell we missed blinding white light and holes burned though concrete, etc. And why there is a perfectly reasonable method to explain why the towers collapsed when you take into account the materials used in the construction and the temperature jet fuel burns along with the impact of planes knocking loose the fire-proofing?

If anyone has access to thermite, its the government and the military (see military industrial complex) . The main support pillars were not open in the offices , they were hidden in the walls along with the elevators. Easy to miss blinding white light. Please explain why witnesses (fire fighters) saw molten iron / steel in the base of the twin towers after collapse.

I'm sorry but jet fuel DOES NOT burn at hot enough temperatures to weaken the steel. The fact that they put this down as the cause on the report is part of the conspiracy.

Get out of here paid cover up agent or sheeple.

Re:This is also chilling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921177)

i lol'd. :D +1funny

Important Legally (5, Insightful)

Etherwalk (681268) | about 5 months ago | (#46921557)

Actually, the results here are important legally. One important persuasive argument in free speech cases is the chilling effect on speech. Empirical data showing that people do *not* engage in certain speech because of a government practice is useful for lawyers arguing against the illegality of those practices.

Stop, please, this is "someone's" job very difficu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46922915)

Listen, I'm not saying I"m the NSA employee that has to read through all this crap to see if its a real threat or not. What I am saying is that I'm sure whoever that person is, could be getting really pissed that they have to spend thier valuable time reading through your snide right-wing comments instead of trying to find real terrorists who are ruining our everything. "Whoever" that person is, may be wondering why they got an advanced degree in mathematics from Purdue just to read this crap. "That person" is probably really feeling under-valued having to read this jerk-off list of responses.

Just saying, its not me though. Really.

This isn't new... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920865)

When on the Cypherpunks list, there were people who had the usual search words in their signatures, as well as random generated sentences.

What likely will happen is that the usual wheat/chaff algorithm gets an iterative update on the spook side, and life will go on.

Re: This isn't new... (4, Insightful)

NF6X (725054) | about 5 months ago | (#46923225)

I recall seeing many Usenet posts ending with "NSA Line Eater Food" followed by lists of naughty keywords back in 1986 when I started college. The only differences are that now we have confirmation of what we took for granted back then (and probably before), and the scope is beyond what even the tinfoil hat guys believed.

And if you think this isn't intentional... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920873)

...then raise your dominant hand and slap yourself silly with it. Internalized chains are the hardest to break, and what the ruling class can't do any longer with religion they now do with plain old fear.

Inspire Al Queda Jihad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920883)

Suck my dirty bomb!

for all of this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920903)

you know, for all of this, I did see two good things ... we (the united states) still don't have any prescriptive limitations on freedom of speech online, and the NSA did admit that they did need (procedurally, not technically) a search warrant to actually mine the data they collect.

Re:for all of this... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920925)

select *
from collected_data
where HasWarrant = true

Re:for all of this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921157)

I have no problem with that. I think it's perfectly in line with the 4th Amendment.

Re:for all of this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921289)

It's still a major problem that they're collecting all of it, but at least there's still a fear of getting slapped for abusing the constitution.

Re:for all of this... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921291)

I don't believe the tapping is. Police can't just tap everyone's phone, then play back the recordings once they get a warrant. Well, at least they *couldn't* before The Patriot Act. What a fucking euphemism for that one.

Re:for all of this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921299)

I have no problem with that. I think it's perfectly in line with the 4th Amendment.

As long as such a massive data collection exists, access to it will be a Swiss cheese. How do we know it is not accessed without warrant, from people bribed to access it, from people hacking in. From a new government that suddenly change the warrant rules.

Re:for all of this... (1)

ubergeek2009 (1475007) | about 5 months ago | (#46921597)

Agreed. I remember an article on slashdot before outlining the process of parallel construction and how it was used against U.S. residents/civilians. They may be mining the data for an investigation and then not using it in court which is illegal, and if it isn't it should be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... [wikipedia.org]

Re:for all of this... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 months ago | (#46921179)

Just make sure that just before that statement you issue the update that sets HasWarrant true on all records.

Due process is really important, but it may never stand in the way of absolute surveil... security!

Re:for all of this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46923487)

HasWarrant is an optional variable, I believe.

Call a spade a space (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920909)

It's almost as if the government's conduct can be discerned as a violation of our most basic human rights as guaranteed by the contract that allows said government to exist.

Re:Call a spade a space (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920939)

Show the incumbent protection machine (98% incumbent reelection rate) how much you despise them. Vote independent, and if that isn't a choice, vote for the challenger, regardless of party.

Re:Call a spade a space (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921667)

This is hilarious.

What makes you think the opposition to the incumbent shares any different views? Say it's democrat and republican. They share identical views! There is almost no nuances or differences whatsoever. Both sides vote against citizens when money is involved.

Re:Call a spade a space (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921837)

It would break all the existing quid pro quo deals that currently exist.

I've got a simple test (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920933)

I just googled for homemade plague gun with bombs. We'll see what happens next.

Feeble and late attempts at FP are a plague (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46920953)

Some people consider them the bomb. Those who are good at first posts have to be as fast as a bullet from a gun.

Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (1)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 5 months ago | (#46920973)

What happens in the forums during discussions like this? Basic moderation as I understand it doesn't explain it.

Re:Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (0)

stewsters (1406737) | about 5 months ago | (#46921087)

Yeah, there seems to be an inordinate amount of off-topic or intentionally offensive comments. This problem seems to be getting worse.

Re:Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (3, Informative)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 5 months ago | (#46921193)

Yeah, there seems to be an inordinate amount of off-topic or intentionally offensive comments. This problem seems to be getting worse.

Only on new threads. Give it a little time and they are down to -1 and benieth your threshold.

Re:Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (0)

CRCulver (715279) | about 5 months ago | (#46921359)

Let me guess, you're new here? A decade or so ago the GNAA was able to flood the comments section with troll posts (complete with Last Measure links). Other copy-paste posts like the interview with CmdrTaco who had become a "nullo", pitches for MyCleanPC, and BSD is Dying often brought mirth to the comments. If anything, there is too high a proportion of on-topic posts these days, and the few trolls you get are boring one-sentence attacks on African-Americans. In a way, that's a more poignant sign of Slashdot's decline than any of the complaining over Dice and the beta.

Re:Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (1)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about 5 months ago | (#46921415)

Don't forget the page wideners. For some reason, those always cracked me up. Don't know why.

Re: Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921453)

Net craft confirms, slashdot is dying

Re:Is Slashdot useful for discussing this? (1)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 5 months ago | (#46922083)

So, that's a "No, and it never has been useful," then? I must be new at something.

NSA incoming (5, Funny)

Andrio (2580551) | about 5 months ago | (#46920995)

Let's not blow this out of proportion. Sure, it would be the bomb if the NSA stopped spying on everyone, as all this spying is a plague on our freedoms. But let's not burn any bridges here.

Re:NSA incoming (4, Funny)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about 5 months ago | (#46921061)

Would it kill the President to take a stand here?

Re:NSA incoming (5, Insightful)

ultranova (717540) | about 5 months ago | (#46921397)

Would it kill the President to take a stand here?

Given what we now know about corruption and lawlessness in the US three-letter agencies, I'd have to say that it just might.

spook (1)

junkgoof (607894) | about 5 months ago | (#46922985)

Oddly spook e-mail configs (to add random terms to generate false positives to big brother) were popular 20 years ago when there was almost no traffic and no reason for surveillance. They don't appear to exist now that there is a huge volume of e-mail and known government surveillance.

Rebellion is so much easier in the absence of repression.

Re:NSA incoming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921993)

"Would it kill the President to take a stand here?"

He already has, it was just on the side of the state instead of the individual.

Re:NSA incoming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921161)

You forgot to ROT13 that sentence for extra terrorist hiding! I think you mean:

Yrg'f abg oybj (BLOW) guvf bhg bs cebcbegvba. Fher, vg jbhyq or gur obzo (BOMB) vs gur AFN fgbccrq fclvat ba rirelbar, nf nyy guvf fclvat vf n cynthr (PLAGUE) ba bhe serrqbzf. Ohg yrg'f abg ohea (BURN) nal oevqtrf urer.

Re:NSA incoming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46923841)

leetkey plugin for firefox to the rescue!

Forgot one (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about 5 months ago | (#46921457)

Ovaltine

Re:NSA incoming (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 5 months ago | (#46922105)

Back in the 90s it wasn't uncommon that my IRC client said something like nuke USA kill the president terrorist bomb .. so on so on.

I still wonder whatever that have affected my possibility of getting into the US =P

Back then of course there was talk about Echelon. Did it really exist? If so it was fun to type stuff like that.

I guess now we know it existed =P

Since I have nothing to hide I may just as well say it even though they are listening?! Or how do the saying go? =P

Emacs (1)

laejoh (648921) | about 5 months ago | (#46920999)

Why use http://nsa.motherboard.tv/ [motherboard.tv] if you have m-x spook?

Or... OR (2, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 5 months ago | (#46921011)

What if Google is just conveniently forgetting to log more of those terms so that they don't have to do as much work snooping on people? I mean, if you don't have as many terrorist suspects showing up on your search engine you surely wont have as many illegal search warrants to process.

Re:Or... OR (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 5 months ago | (#46921203)

google (et all) are the government's bitch.

they will do as they're told.

or else.

Re:Or... OR (0)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 5 months ago | (#46921585)

google (et all) are the government's bitch.

they will do as they're told.

or else.

Exactly. What if this is their way of conveniently getting out of having to do more work? "Oh look at that, our flags on anthrax bomb searches only turned up 50 people this month instead of 100, yay, half as much snooping to do!" Surely the more clandestine parts of Google's infrastructure would be so far from scrutiny that no one would have any way to tell if the flags only worked half the time.

Re:Or... OR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921653)

This risks too much damage to their revenue model. If they were found to be doing this, one could reasonably suspect they were cooking the numbers on traffic as well.

Self censoring (4, Insightful)

Evtim (1022085) | about 5 months ago | (#46921017)

Brilliant! The desired effect is achieved!

Remind me again, wasn't the Internet hailed as a game-changer that would bring people together, make us better human beings, or at least different.

Where is this profound change? It did not happen. Perhaps the optimists have underestimated people's distrust for the different? So, even though James and Ivan could chat while being 10000 miles away, and learn how for instance the media that feeds them is biased diametrically opposite, most of the time they didn't.

But just to make sure, you know just in case the impossible happened, all governments in the world made sure we won't talk with each other. Let me not recount the endless torrent of censorship all over the place across the whole world - this is /. after all. But in line with the topic, let me just remark - if I want to speak with someone from, say, an Arab country, to discuss the situation and gain the others side view - how many words we would use in the discussion that would be in those lists? Tens at least, I am sure. Now I have to be afraid of being flagged, and it is not paranoia - do you want to bet your ass in Gitmo that Buttle/Tuttle thing won't happen? @#$% that!

Re:Self censoring (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921073)

The illusion of Democracy is complete! Now people are content to only think, read, or vote what is considered acceptable.

Re:Self censoring (2)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 5 months ago | (#46921149)

Well, be careful what you think. You may be guilty of a thought crime.

Re:Self censoring (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921167)

The goal isn't to get people to think twice before using certain words. The goal is to get people to think twice before discussing the expansion of coercive authority.

Re:Self censoring (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 5 months ago | (#46921223)

At least it is easy to find out if you are flagged. Just try and take a flight. (Assuming they do not misspell your name.)

Re:Self censoring (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 months ago | (#46922197)

Where is this profound change? It did not happen.

It did not happen because the software and distributed infrastruture needed to support it was never written or developed. The blame for this can be placed solidly at the feet of the global hacking community, which hasn't created a truely disruptive technology since Bittorrent back in 2001 (IMHO, the jury is still out on Bitcoin (2009) ).

The reasons for this are largely socio-economic. The rise of Google and Co. has meant that "disruptive" software is now principally developed in corporate campuses, with most "hacking" talent now draw to the stable and lucrative paycheck offered by compaanies interested in neat toys, but not unfortunately in the kind of software the world needs to keep the NSA out of people's lives. Another big trend has been the mass migration of programmers towards writing "Apps" for walled garden devices. It would also be unwise to omit the drain of programmers to HFT firms and computer aided finance in general over the last decade or so.

There is no modern Bram Cohen (or Satoshi Nakamoto) working on a mass privacy program. They're all writing iPhone games or working for Google, Facebook, the NSA, and the Banks. And without that individual, or small team, actively dedicated to creating a distributed, anonymous, and secure communication system, users will increasingly turn away from the panopticon that the internet has now become.

Back in the pre-internet days (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921027)

when UUCP was used to move mail and news, it was common to see signatures with things like 'NSA Fodder' followed by a long list of things that would get you in real trouble these days.
This was back in the 80's so this NSA snooping is nothing new, just rehashed and warmed over for a new generation of folks. /old, I am.

Re:Back in the pre-internet days (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 5 months ago | (#46921271)

Pre-Gore days yes, NSA was discussed much

I remember talk of the 8 key words that would have a message treated differently, it's certainly grown, just consider any message set over seas to be "treated differently" these days.

Cain and abel ? it's a advanced password recovery tool
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/c... [snapfiles.com]

4.3 Key Words & Search Terms
Cain and abel Scammers

Can't post the list (Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.)

Bah! The US government is a force for good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921035)

They will protect my right to free speech no matter what.

I can post all kinds of crap safely:

BOMB!
!%*!@$&!%!!!>>>>>
[NO CARRIER]

Re:Bah! The US government is a force for good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921325)

you laugh, but the US is actually one of the very few nations that don't have a proscriptive prohibition on speech. You can post all the right-wing neo-nazi shit you want. You're liable for the consequences of the actions, but not the action itself, unlike almost every other nation in the world.

Do Not Search "Anthrax" (5, Funny)

CycleFreak (99646) | about 5 months ago | (#46921047)

Because if someone thought you liked the band, that would be horrible.

Oh the embarrassment! On your permanent record, no less.

Re:Do Not Search "Anthrax" (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 5 months ago | (#46921217)

"You confessed that you tried to make biological weapons despite just being a fan of some trash metal band?"
"Y... yeah...."
"WHY?"
"I ... I was afraid my friends could find out ... the shame, ya know...."

Re:Do Not Search "Anthrax" (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 5 months ago | (#46921239)

Proud to let it be known I still think they're great! Saw them last year and... they still sound fantastic. Many bands sound ages, but there's something about this band that's raised them above many of their contemporaries.

well-know terrorist keyword: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921923)

Nobody admits to searching for "Nickelback"

Constitutional (1)

mtrachtenberg (67780) | about 5 months ago | (#46921057)

I've stopped searching on the word Constitutional.

Re:Constitutional (4, Funny)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 5 months ago | (#46921093)

Unfortunately, so has Congress.

Re:Constitutional (1)

operagost (62405) | about 5 months ago | (#46922265)

That's because they can't spell it.

Other Banned Words? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921067)

Uranium-235
Uranium-238
Enriching Uranium
Plutonium-239
Caesium-137
Iodine-131
Cobalt-60
Strontium-90

Those are the ones I could think off the top of my head. Anyone want to add to the list?

Re:Other Banned Words? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 5 months ago | (#46921243)

That dirty girl is the bomb!

Oh, crap! That was supposed to be AC!

Re:Other Banned Words? (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 5 months ago | (#46921445)

For lunch I had a nuked Chicago-style pizza.

Why use google? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921119)

Why a drop in certain search terms and not a drop in the actual companies infected with NSA-ware?

Re:Why use google? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 5 months ago | (#46921345)

Yeah just send it to some other company over the Internet using a certificate from an approved CA.

Please, citizen, go ahead. Why do you hesitate?

Thoughtcrime On A Stick (3, Interesting)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 5 months ago | (#46921215)

searches for terms deemed to be sensitive to government or privacy concerns have dropped "significantly" in the months since Edward Snowden's revelations in July.

It is hard for me to find this shift to be acceptable. The government's oppressive surveillance must not lead to people changing the information they consume. That is the very epitome of cultural programming, the cost of which is far to great for our society to suffer.

I think we have a solution; decentralized distribution of the very kinds of information that is being chilled. Copies of Wikipedia, Eroid.org, The Anarchists Cookbook (OK, I'm dating myself, and showing my ignorance of modern anarchist material online, but whatever the modern equivalent of that book is), and similar materials, written to 16 Gig USB sticks, and available for purchase at your local hackerspace for $20. Pop it into your computer, and read whatever you want without the goverment spying on you. Maybe even make it a bootable distro, with networking disabled, so you can be truly locked down (except for airgap-jumping attacks, of course, but those are still pretty esoteric). Maybe call it "Thoughtcrime On A Stick". Hmm, actually, I like that name so much I'm grabbing the domain names.

Don't get me wrong, I don't relish the idea of making that sort of information more readily available; what peaceful minded person would? But if the alternative is chilling human knowledge, and the empirical evidence shows that it is already happening, what choice do I have?

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921351)

Maybe even make it a bootable distro

The problem here would be trust - way too easy to make a complete spy-ware distro and tell people that it is your "truly locked down" one instead.
The solution isn't going backward in technology (sneaker instead of fiber), the solution is restoring privacy and anonymity with better technology.

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (1)

PaddyM (45763) | about 5 months ago | (#46921835)

What we need are nickel pages in a book. For some reason Thomas Edison thought he could store 1000s of books in the same space as a paper book, although his invention never came to be, and so I don't really know what he was talking about.

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46922111)

This actually happened to the Linux kernel at one point in time. They tried to trace back to where the entry was for it and there were no logs. Good thing it was found and removed.

The solution to your problem is that people need to be taught how to make their own USB sticks with Linux. Backtrack is the best for this IMO. I think it is now called Kali?

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 5 months ago | (#46921859)

First of all, the cost of distributing information is fixed at the cost of distributing information. Those $20 DVDs? Bullshit, those cost $1 at most.

Secondly, have you examined your racism? You are opposing the President of the United States, who is just as peaceful minded as you. If you're opposed to him, you are quite likely a racist. You need to stop doing that. You're wrong.

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 5 months ago | (#46922515)

Those $20 DVDs? Bullshit, those cost $1 at most.

Oh, yeah, for sure (though I'm thinking memory sticks, not DVDs, since optical drives are going the way of the dinosaur). But I'm also helping launch a hackerspace, and I figure if you let the hackerspaces generate a little funding, at a price that people would be happy to pay, everyone wins.

I also assume most would also let you bring your own stick and write a copy on demand. Just the idea of having a wicker basket full of sticks ready to subvert the masses appeals to me. :)

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (2)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | about 5 months ago | (#46922077)

The problem is that every one of those SUB sticks comes pre-loaded(for your convenience...) with all manner of NSA spyware.

Re:Thoughtcrime On A Stick (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 5 months ago | (#46922587)

The problem is that every one of those SUB sticks comes pre-loaded(for your convenience...) with all manner of NSA spyware.

I don't know about your local hackerspaces, but the ones I go to all have at least a few people who are pretty hardcore about infosec. If one of those guys says he did is best to make it clean, I would trust both his integrity and ability.

But, the truth is your point still has a great deal of merit. Potentially you could also sell a Raspberry Pi box for the true tinfoil hat afficionado. Even if it can record what you're looking at, that wouldn't help if it never gets connected to a network.

Typical in countries like North Korea and USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921287)

Don't forget that regimes from North Korea and USA don't like their enslaved people having too much "search" freedom.
Whoever been lately to any US cities will be terrified by number of security forces everywhere. This is too ensure people don't gather in groups.
Any unhappiness and demonstrations are forbidden in the USA. Do you remember Afro-Americans or dock workers standing against bullets from the state security.
Now is even worse, balance has unfortunately tripped with no point of return. Lesson learned from North Korea are implemented everyday.
One day US and North Korea comrades will dance together on the graves of American people.

Post Snowden? (2)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 5 months ago | (#46921315)

Post Snowden? Can we stop blaming the one guy that did the right thing for uncovering the mountain of shit our government had piled up for itself? He didn't even release it all, a lot of the revelations have come from FOIA requests!

It'd would be like calling "Post Woodward, Nixon was impeached" That Woodward jerk! How could he do such a thing!

I'm fairly certain this "Post Snowden" line was written wholesale by the NSA. Way to perpetuate propaganda Slashdot.

Re: Post Snowden? (1)

jsh1972 (1095519) | about 5 months ago | (#46921437)

Settle down, Beavis- the impression I get from this is post-snowden, aka after Snowden has revealed what pieces of shit are government actually are (confirmed might be more accurate for some) people are willing up to the fact that yes, they really are watching us and adjusting their search habits accordingly. I wouldn't say 'blame' as much as 'give proper credit to'.

Re: Post Snowden? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921481)

Settle down, Beavis- the impression I get from this is post-snowden, aka after Snowden has revealed what pieces of shit are government actually are (confirmed might be more accurate for some) people are willing up to the fact that yes, they really are watching us and adjusting their search habits accordingly. I wouldn't say 'blame' as much as 'give proper credit to'.

Anyone who's considering a career in the judiciary - is this not prima facie evidence that NSA's surveillance programmes (and those that will replace them if they're forced to replace/rename them) are indirectly infringing upon the First Amendment rights of Americans? "Freedom of speech, just watch what you say" was hardly the founders' intent.

"Chilling effects" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921411)

I'm so sick of hearing this term. Please stop.

I took a different approach (2)

Capslock118 (936446) | about 5 months ago | (#46921421)

I for one have only increased my search phrases to include "fundamentalist terror victim shoves anthrax-laden biochemical warheads into buttocks to appeal to president obama porn"

Little known secret (3, Funny)

Sperbels (1008585) | about 5 months ago | (#46921427)

Guys, if you don't want the NSA scanning your websites, just set up a robots.txt. Duh.

Fuck the government (1, Insightful)

AndyKron (937105) | about 5 months ago | (#46921435)

Fuck the government

It's even worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921461)

Mr and Mrs Thrax thought seriously and decided not to call their first daughter Ann.

Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia (2)

lemur3 (997863) | about 5 months ago | (#46921467)

This is why I keep my full 1992 set of Funk & Wagnalls encyclopedia handy. Just incase I need to look up Anthrax, or Bomb or Detonator.

I can do it safely, without anyone knowing.

Or, one could go to the public library and look at the stuff in the Reference section, one cannot even check those books out! ..Or, just go to the regular stacks and read the books on-site, bring tracing paper for the diagrams.. oh man, there is a whole world of information outside of the internet! and the NSA subpenas

Make Your Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46921471)

Someone set us up the... the ummm... hmmmm... the thing.

I wonder if I'm on the list (2)

gman003 (1693318) | about 5 months ago | (#46921521)

I recently considered getting back into model rocketry, but using more high-end rockets rather than little Estes kits. Since I've read plenty about rocket chemistry (read "Ignition!" if you like chemistry at all - it's worth it), I quickly figured out that a relatively easy* one to build would be a hydrogen peroxide monoprop - H2O2 decomposes into H2O + O2 in an exothermic manner, which can be used for thrust. It an also be used as an oxidizer with most fuels. For both you'll need high-strength peroxide - the CVS stuff is just a solution of like 1% H2O2 in H2O, but you'll want 80% or higher for rocketry. I decided to see how readily available it was, and how expensive it would be. It wasn't too expensive, and could be found fairly easily, but I wonder if I'm now on a watch list just for looking at a chemical that honestly wouldn't make a good terrorist weapon at all.

* This would be easy in comparison to, say, one using nitric acid or liquid oxygen. It would still be a very difficult thing to build, which is why I'm probably not going to actually build one.

Re:I wonder if I'm on the list (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 5 months ago | (#46921559)

We're ALL on the "list." The only difference is what degree of escalation your monitoring is at. And, we're mostly accepting that. I listened to some comments last week by Samuel Jackson rephrasing the old "hey if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about" refrain.

Very disheartening and depressing. People are just whistling past the liberty graveyard.

Re:I wonder if I'm on the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46922375)

HTP (High Test Peroxide) can be used to make a well known hydro-peroxide explosive. So you're probably on the list already.

HTP is also very sensitive to contamination and causes painful burns (don't ask) so it wouldn't be my first choice for a home build. If you're interested in making a one shot rocket motor why not go for a hybrid nitrous oxide design. The oxidiser is much more stable than HTP, and is a whole lot easier to store than LOX.

Re:I wonder if I'm on the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46922753)

but I wonder if I'm now on a watch list just for looking at a chemical that honestly wouldn't make a good terrorist weapon at all.

peroxide + acetone (read: nail polish remover) creates highly unstable (read: explosive) crystals.

I'm uncomfortable discussing Windows 8 (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about 5 months ago | (#46921819)

I don't want to be flagged just because the latest OS from MS is a total bomb!

The true chilling effect. (2)

geekmux (1040042) | about 5 months ago | (#46921967)

So, let me get this straight.

The same search engine we are actively not using, out of fear that someone is watching what we're searching, is used to run a search to generate a report to reveal what we are not searching for.

Uh, you know that chilling effect we're all talking about here? Yeah, that would be Mr. Don't-be-Evil over there...

Antrhax is The Bomb! (1)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | about 5 months ago | (#46922045)

and "Worship Music" is the best thing they've done since "Among The Living".

False Positives Protect Us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#46922349)

The amount of benign references (or false positives) to sensitive terms in network traffic makes any surveillance less valuable without having a human parse through them all, which makes it more expensive. If the only people who search for sensitive terms are legitimately "bad people" then it places much more value on doing automated network traffic surveillance.

Dangerous Searches (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46923309)

Anybody remember the story in the past year where a family home was raided because one spouse searched for backpacks for kids while the other also searched for a pressure cooker for the kitchen? Yes they got raided. I've wanted to link that story to a few friends but frankly and quite honestly I am too scared of the government o actually try and search for it.

Technology suite (1)

mugurel (1424497) | about 4 months ago | (#46923549)

Just in case you're wondering why the work DHS analists seems so ineffective, from TFA (page 50):

The current suite of equipment on the Traditional Media desk includes one Dell Optiplex GX620 workstation (232 GB HD/2MB RAM),...

I told you that bitch crazy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46923605)

To quote Chris Rock: "What? Huh? No! You don't say! ... I told you that bitch crazy!"

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