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The Upcoming Windows 8.1 Apocalypse

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the or-at-least-a-kerfuffle dept.

Windows 293

arglebargle_xiv (2212710) writes "As most people will have heard, Microsoft will end support for anyone who hasn't upgraded to Win8.1 Update 1 on May 8. What fewer people have heard is that large numbers of users can't install the 8.1 Update, with over a thousand messages in this one thread alone, and that's for tech geeks rather than home users who won't find out about this until their PC becomes orphaned on May 8. Check your Windows Update log, if you've got a "Failed" entry next to KB2919355 then your PC will also become orphaned after May 8."

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Lamepocalypse (5, Insightful)

Baby Duck (176251) | about 6 months ago | (#46927769)

As far as apocalypses go, that's one lame-sounding apocalypse.

Re:Lamepocalypse (5, Funny)

shadowrat (1069614) | about 6 months ago | (#46927877)

As far as apocalypses go, that's one lame-sounding apocalypse.

how many heads were on that beast in revelations? about 8.1?

Re:Lamepocalypse (2)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 6 months ago | (#46928149)

As far as apocalypses go, that's one lame-sounding apocalypse.

how many heads were on that beast in revelations? about 8.1?

Seven heads, ten horns...

Re:Lamepocalypse (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928245)

So stick with Windows 7 until service pack 10 comes out?

Re:Lamepocalypse (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 6 months ago | (#46928899)

Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

nothing terrible there :)

Re:Lamepocalypse (2)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 6 months ago | (#46928223)

I'd rather take the Lordi version: arockalypse [youtube.com] .

Re:Lamepocalypse (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 6 months ago | (#46928697)

Especially since, in most cases people did this to themselves. Never ever buy the first version of a Windows release. And if the first version looks Vista-level problematic, approach even the first update cautiously. Everyone knows that by now.

Re:Lamepocalypse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928793)

I'm sorry, your QUESTION must be in the form of A QUESTION! -- What husbands would say if they only had the guts #31

"I'm sorry, your REPLY must be in the form of "Yes Dear" - What wives would say if their husbands only had the guts to say that shit.

Apocalypse? (5, Funny)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 6 months ago | (#46927801)

Doesn't this happen every time they come out with a major update?

Re:Apocalypse? (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#46927851)

Well, for me it's not an apocalypse, it's more a phoenix rising from the ashes!

But then again, I'm in IT consulting...

Re:Apocalypse? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 6 months ago | (#46928715)

I see where you're going. I have a side business supporting regular non-corporate users, and when Win8 was introduced, business really picked up. There's a lot of user frustration out there.

Re:Apocalypse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928033)

The "we're not supporting the pre-update version of the OS" yes. That's normal.

The "you can't update to the new version and we don't care, we're ending support for the only version you can run" part, not so much.

In all seriousness, this problem can't affect THAT many people though. I know only one tech-savvy guy who runs win 8 by choice (as in, he had the option to run 7 and chose 8), and that's not even his main machine (which is osx). most people would never even know they wern't getting updates. I'm guessing that's what microsoft is banking on. by the time average joe user figures out in a year or two that their computer hasn't had any updates, MS figures they'll have solved the upgrade problems by then.

Microsoft make up your mind! (5, Insightful)

bejiitas_wrath (825021) | about 6 months ago | (#46927819)

First you end support for XP, which is a good thing, then you end support for Windows 7 in 2020, now you are ending support for Windows 8 on May 8. Why? the bog standard Windows 8 still has newer software than Windows 7, the only thing holding it back is the retarded Modern UI interface. But this is a pretty lame apocalypse. I am perfectly happy with Windows 7 in a qemu KVM hypervisor running on a Linux laptop. This way I can run Windows in a window and use MS Office for those tasks that require it and still have access to the superior Linux command line tools. I just wish I still had my XP Pro VM. Now that was fun. Why is everything an apocalypse these days?

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (3, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 6 months ago | (#46927839)

Its headline 2.0 compliant.

The older headline 1.0 headline of "Windows 8.1 Pre Update 1 Reduction of Update Availibility arives mid 2nd quarter" has been obsoleted and will not recieve any more updates, which required an update to a headline 2.0 compliant headline.

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 6 months ago | (#46927915)

"First you end support for XP, which is a good thing, then you end support for Windows 7 in 2020, now you are ending support for Windows 8 on May 8"

I guess MS realises that businesses are upgrading to Win 7, not 8

So when is Win 9 due out?

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (0)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 6 months ago | (#46928167)

I actually have a pre-release copy of windows 9. don't ask where I got it from.

when I played it backwards, it kept flashing some message on my screen about paul being dead. no idea what the fuck that was all about.

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928865)

I heard he kind of looked like a walrus after the crash.

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927949)

MS customer?
You demanded to be screwed. They did. Why are you complaining?

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 6 months ago | (#46928513)

Theyre not ending support for 8.1, and you know it. Why anyone is finding it necessary to feign outrage over a headline that they know is false, is beyond me.
Oh wait its for the karma-- carry on.

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928607)

How good are the speeds with regards to running Win7 Qemu ? And a rough summary of your specs?

I've been looking in to considering this myself, more so because Valve are helping move things to Linux in the games department.
I'd have loved XP to be my last main install, but it might be one more yet.

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928613)

Windows 8 is still supported.

Just as Windows 7 is still supported.

What is not supported (at a guess in either case) is the version that comes on a DVD. You have to download all the updates and be on the latest version of Windows 7 or Windows 8 to be using a supported version of Windows.

However the reason this is in the news and everyone is all upset is that Windows 8 fails to update to the latest version in some cases and Microsoft has called this failing update "Windows 8.1".

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (-1, Flamebait)

wolrahnaes (632574) | about 6 months ago | (#46928637)

First you end support for XP, which is a good thing, then you end support for Windows 7 in 2020, now you are ending support for Windows 8 on May 8. Why? the bog standard Windows 8 still has newer software than Windows 7, the only thing holding it back is the retarded Modern UI interface.

Why? Easy. Because it's the only way to get the message across to corporate fucktards that we are in the internet era and updating your software is FUCKING MANDATORY. If you're going to be sharing the same global network as the rest of us, you need to understand that stagnation hasn't been an option for over a decade and the old habits formed on XP must be thrown out the window.

They've tried asking nicely for years, people still don't listen, now it's time to hold their feet to the fire. Outdated shit doesn't fly.

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (1)

Spamalope (91802) | about 6 months ago | (#46928843)

Because it's the only way to get the message across to corporate fucktards that we are in the internet era and updating your software is FUCKING MANDATORY.

Not enough of you are signing up for MS Live and MS Store. That's like stealing. Some corps have even blocked MS Store. That's why we've blocked offline updates to 8.1, made it mandatory and available via MS Store only. YOU WILL AGREE TO THE MS STORE Ts & Cs! In short, you will comply with whatever poison pill we care to server or we'll throw you to the malware thieves. Oh, and have a nice day!

Re:Microsoft make up your mind! (1)

Cthefuture (665326) | about 6 months ago | (#46928881)

How is your video performance in KVM? I typically use VirtualBox or VMware because they have Windows video drivers that speed everything up. Last time I tried KVM the video in Windows was so slow that it was painful to use.

There are people running 8.1? (0, Troll)

Eevee (535658) | about 6 months ago | (#46927835)

If they want Windows, why haven't they spent $20 to have Windows 7 installed by the kid down the street so they can actually use the box?

Re:There are people running 8.1? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927965)

Are there still people running windows ?

Re:There are people running 8.1? (5, Informative)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 6 months ago | (#46928015)

Are there still people running windows ?

Many more than all other platform combined, at least on the desktop.

Re:There are people running 8.1? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928081)

Are there still people running windows ?

Only the people who want such basic things as sleep/hibernate and wireless networking work perfectly, and don't feel like paying 3x the cost of the hardware for a shiny logo on a white box. ... And don't mind their machine having NSA backdoors, but hey nothing's perfect.

Re:There are people running 8.1? (1)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about 6 months ago | (#46928431)

- or games. Valve is getting there but it ain't ready for prime time yet.

Re:There are people running 8.1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928085)

Because sometimes drivers are really fucking hard to find.

There's a reason my ancient laptop from college had Vista on it instead of XP. I simply couldn't find the fucking drivers to make it work. Goddamn you Toshiba, for that.

Re: There are people running 8.1? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928379)

Run Ubuntu

Apocalypse, Really? (0, Troll)

dingl_ (3643599) | about 6 months ago | (#46927847)

Most Windows users have automatic updates enabled, they will get Update 1 automagically, without even thinking. I mean, Surprise Surprise, if you don't keep your OS current with updates, no newer updates can be applied... This is not breaking news, it just makes sense Also Windows 8x support isn't ENDING, you must apply OS updates to continue receiving support

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (5, Insightful)

XanC (644172) | about 6 months ago | (#46927875)

Would you care to read the summary and try again?

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (-1)

dingl_ (3643599) | about 6 months ago | (#46927919)

If some users can't update it sounds like an OEM issue to me, or other conflicting software/ driver or firmware problem.. Not much Microsoft can do, its an OEM problem

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (5, Informative)

Threni (635302) | about 6 months ago | (#46928005)

No, it's microsoft having a different minimum spec for 8.0 and 8.1. It's a cpu issue. Version n.x software should alway run on the same hardware n.x-1 ran on.

What does Microsoft suggest people do about this? Buy new hardware? Live without the security fixes after just a year or so? Downgrade to 7?

In some countries this would possibly enter consumer protection territory. In the UK possibly the 1979 Sale Of Goods Act.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

TWX (665546) | about 6 months ago | (#46928213)

In some countries this would possibly enter consumer protection territory. In the UK possibly the 1979 Sale Of Goods Act.

Buh-buh-buh-but the EULA!

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (4, Informative)

bmo (77928) | about 6 months ago | (#46928083)

>Freshly minted account
>Only posts on this thread - no other posts on anything ever
>Friends: dingl_ (3643599) is all alone in the world.
>Blaming the user
>Blaming the OEM
>Blaming anyone but Microsoft

Oh look, a new Microsoft shill account.

--
BMO

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (5, Interesting)

bleh-of-the-huns (17740) | about 6 months ago | (#46928215)

Shill or not, he does has a valid point (I have not looked at the other comments).
As much as I personally hate automatic updates, as I decide when I want to update shit, for the vast unwashed masses, it is not a bad idea. Too many of my friends and family (I no longer play tech support except for direct family.. aka my wife) have had machines with years of missing patches, and they wonder why their machines are up shits creek.

I on the other hand, have a windows 8.1 slate I used for my car (runs vehicle diagnostic software, not the std odb reader crap), I cannot get update 1, I get the failure many others are getting. I cannot go back to Windows 7 because too many missing drivers, and very unreliable touchscreen experience. I have tried the windows 8 drivers on 7 with no luck. So for me, I will no longer have support (I do not need technical support, I would like security updates at least).

Good thing I do not use that for anything other than car diagnostics... At least my car won't give my computer herpes :P

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (2)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 months ago | (#46928273)

If some users can't update it sounds like an OEM issue to me, or other conflicting software/ driver or firmware problem.. Not much Microsoft can do, its an OEM problem

If you even bothered to look into it at all you'd see that your statement is false. It *is* a Microsoft issue, but then again looking at your details I wouldn't be surprised if you're just using a sockpuppet account to astroturf for MS>

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928417)

Stop spouting off before you understand the situation... you've already made a few glaring errors in the couple of sentences you've vomited out.

First off, the update comes from the Windows Store, not Windows Update. I'll leave the rest up to you.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

PriceChild (1138463) | about 6 months ago | (#46928569)

I installed Windows 8 from the oem disk (In MS' packaging) I received when I bought the hardware. It failed the 8.1 update with only a hex code. It took a month of googling to find the solution (and it was so obscure I've forgotten it now... either a registry change and/or modifying disk/partition flags) If a fresh install from ms's own packaging could go so badly I'm not surprised so many people are having issues. Thankfully Update 1 installed without issue.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (0)

peragrin (659227) | about 6 months ago | (#46927913)

Read the summary. The windows 8.1 update has to be one of the most botched requires updates ever. The only good thing is that when it fails it fails early enough that no one notices. It doesn't yeah the machine it jut fails to update and gen locks out other updates.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

peragrin (659227) | about 6 months ago | (#46928001)

Damn I need to use preview when posting from my phone.

How does trash autocorrect to yeah anyways?

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1, Informative)

dingl_ (3643599) | about 6 months ago | (#46928021)

I've updated an older Lenovo L420.. Windows 7 to 8.0 to 8.1 to now 8.1 Update 1, I've had ZERO issues. as well I've updated my Dell Venue 8 Pro from 8.1 to Update 1, ZERO issues, updated my mums system as well so that leads me to believe its more an issue with conflicting OEM software/settings

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928243)

I also had no issue... that means people are making these issues up.

I mean... if we can upgrade at LEAST four machines without issues, they must be lying. That's what... 1/3 of all the Windows machines? After all Windows 8 is such a flop...

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

GlennC (96879) | about 6 months ago | (#46928251)

So OF COURSE that means that NOBODY ELSE is having problems ANYWHERE!

RTFA, N00b!

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | about 6 months ago | (#46928303)

Oh sweet! dingl_ has a couple of anecdotes that unequivocally prove the summary and all the other posters wrong so problem solved, apocalypse averted. Thanks dingl_!

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927929)

And if the OS update won't install???

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928509)

It took 4 attempts to install on my machine. Keep trying.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 6 months ago | (#46927957)

Did you even read TFS? Apparently, for a lot of people, Update 1 simply won't install for some reason. How are these people supposed to apply OS updates when the OS won't allow it?

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (4, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 6 months ago | (#46928483)

Did you even read TFS? Apparently, for a lot of people, Update 1 simply won't install for some reason. How are these people supposed to apply OS updates when the OS won't allow it?

I got a brand new Windows 7 Lenovo machine for my folks' small business (to avert the imminent XPocalypse that I told them about two years ago, and eighteen months ago, and twelve months ago ... .) and I was shocked how a new-out-of-box Windows 7 machine not only needed about eight reboots to update itself, but that out of 147 updates there were like 24 that failed to apply. Reboot-re-run was needed about five times to just get through all those failed applies.

I'm more used to lazily installing a CentOS 6.0 DVD and running yum update and getting 959 updates which all apply in one smooth transaction. And that stuff was just written by a few part-time guys at Duke (of course credit to RHAT hackers for making it faster).

I wasn't surprised by XP's crummy updater, but by time Windows 7 came out they should have had this nailed with a team of pros working on it, and that this stuff is still broken in 8.1 is ridiculous. And to add insult to injury, they charge money for this junk!

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928663)

The installer part in Windows seems to be one of the worst ones. I completely understand, that a normal person does not benefit much from a detailed error report. But the current way of handling errors by showing a "unexpected error 0x123123, try again" -dialog is really annoying from a techie point. How on earth should a typical IT support solve these cases? Usually a Google of "error 0x123123" will just get 100k pages of similar reports, but no resolution for the problem. What if the Windows' installer had a way to force it to output a trace file of all the system modification attempts and their results? Then one could actually solve the problems. Usually the problems I have seen were caused by missing/existing files or unexpected access rights on the registry keys.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

sqlrob (173498) | about 6 months ago | (#46928007)

Really?

Better explain all the 0x80070002, 0x80073712, and 0x80070005 errors in my update log then.

And no, I don't think it's an OEM problem since the logs indicate a missing file in the update itself, at least for some of the errors.

Maybe you should read what the issue is (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928151)

You may want to read up on the issue. The problem is people CAN'T update.

There is a particular update that can fail and then it blocks all the other automatic updates from happening. So without even touching the machine and automatic updates turned on you get a computer that does not get any updates. The machine won't even notify you in the store that 8.1 is available until you get that one particular update cleaned up.

This is through no fault of the end user, its completely a Microsoft issue.

Re:Apocalypse, Really? (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 6 months ago | (#46928759)

I have auto-update enabled, Win8.1 and the other updates installed flawlessly last week. Also have ClassicShell, no hint of any issues. Should I consider myself "lucky"?

Linking to page 100? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927873)

Page 101 has the notice that the update was re-issued with a fix and the rest of the posts are all "worked for me" posts. Problem Solved.

Re:Linking to page 100? (2)

sqlrob (173498) | about 6 months ago | (#46928093)

So you missed the ones after that saying it just changed the error they were getting?

Re:Linking to page 100? (1, Flamebait)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 6 months ago | (#46928131)

Maybe MS should take Apple's stance and simply require, as the first troubleshooting option, that the user re-install the machine from scratch. I've stopped bothering with Apple tech support because I don't have a day to re-install all my shit everytime a device pukes with an error.

Re:Linking to page 100? (1)

megalomaniacs4u (199468) | about 6 months ago | (#46928789)

I don't what planet you've been on, but reinstalling windows from scratch has been standard practice since win95 for anytime windows shits its panties

Apocalypse is Old News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927893)

It happened when they 'upgraded' to 8. Losing Microsoft support is a minor follow up disaster.

Orphaned??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927903)

Does that mean Microsoft won't be able to spy on my Windows 8 computer?

FUD? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46927905)

considering most of that thread appears to be completely non technical users discussing some really dumb questions I am guessing this article is just a really lame attempt at trolling or generating FUD?

Abandonware? (1)

martiniturbide (1203660) | about 6 months ago | (#46927951)

Does it means we can call Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 (without patch) abandonware [wikipedia.org] ? :)

Re:Abandonware? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928407)

Yes.

They surely are shuffling things around (5, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46927959)

It's very interesting what kind of circus the Windows 8 major updates have become. Instead of Service Packs, you now have Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 8.1 Update 1. Now, the support carpet is suddenly pulled for anything before W8.1U1. Along the way, various platform changes in the UI front have been introduced: start button goes away, start button comes back, ability to snap Modern apps, Modern apps get a title bar, Modern apps can appear in the taskbar, start menu is coming back. Also the settings are still wonkily spread across the classic Control Panel and the Modern UI "PC settings" application, not to speak about the "charms bar" which integrates really badly with the paradigms of the normal desktop, which the user is using at the same time.

It's interesting because in the past Microsoft planned these things very carefully beforehand, and after the release of OS was very careful to not change core functionality. Maybe this is the future, then.

Just following the trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928211)

Look no further than slashdot "beta". The new way is to change things randomly and according to what makes the developer happy, rather than change things only after careful planning and according to the needs of the user (not the developer).

Re:Just following the trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928373)

Look no further than slashdot "beta". The new way is to change things randomly and according to what makes the developer happy, rather than change things only after careful planning and according to the needs of the user (not the developer).

Yeah, but instead of calling it "just changing things randomly" we call it "agile" now. Move fast and break things, y'know? UX people ruined Firefox, GNOME, Slashdot, and Windows. What will they break next in their relentless pursuit of the fashionable over the usable?

Re:Just following the trend (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928487)

What's hilarious is that it's not actually "fashionable". That would imply a demand for the fashion, but wherever I look, I see angry users demanding less of it, not satisfied users demanding more of it. This "fashion" (the huge fonts, the scrolling, the oversized buttons, presentation over content, etc) was concocted entirely in the minds of the people making the software, not the people using it.

Re:They surely are shuffling things around (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 6 months ago | (#46928649)

It's interesting because in the past Microsoft planned these things very carefully beforehand, and after the release of OS was very careful to not change core functionality. Maybe this is the future, then.

Microsoft has been quite explicit this is the future. They want an update process more like Apple's. Which means getting their customer base and their developer base used to much faster turnaround on features and issues. They are unlikely to ever get as fast as Apple, and probably don't want to but they don't want to be where DEC or IBM were when Windows Server replaced their "bug for bug compatible" systems.

Re:They surely are shuffling things around (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928685)

It's what everyone else is doing -- why bother to complain.

Right... (1)

DogDude (805747) | about 6 months ago | (#46928025)

I'm supposed to believe that Microsoft, the company that is still pushing out updates for a 13 year old OS, is going to somehow abandon a large portion of their customers using their most current OS? I call bullshit.

Re:Right... (5, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | about 6 months ago | (#46928155)

As they say, truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.

It's true. If you are running 8.1, update 1 is mandatory to keep getting support: http://www.infoworld.com/t/mic... [infoworld.com]

Microsoft said it themselves here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/gla... [technet.com]

Originally they only gave 30 days to install it, but then they upped that to 120 because of all the compatibility and installation problems (and the few companies running Windows 8 screaming).

Bizzarely, Windows 8.0 users aren't affected in the same way. This affects 8.1 users only. As usual, Windows 7 users can ignore this ongoing fiasco and keep doing productive work.

Re:Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928693)

Since you can use Windows 8 just as you used Windows 7 99.9% of the time, many people are just as productive in Windows 8 as they were in Windows 7. It's the people that can't see past their initial blinding rage that are the problem.

Re:Right... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928219)

I call bullshit.

Nah, just clickbait. Dice made a lot in ad revenue back when Slashdot reposted that Microsoft wasn't going to release yet another EoL extension for XP, so now they are phrasing every trivial thing similarly to that story.

1000 replies? (5, Insightful)

Enry (630) | about 6 months ago | (#46928063)

Looking at page 100, it looks like this really affects about a dozen people and they just keep posting. Let me know when there's 1000 unique people saying there's a problem.

(and it appears that there's a fix of sorts)

great time to install linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928071)

dual boot for us unchosen lamos rock on /. http://youtu.be/XN_e8RWDHlE a softwar meltdown like y2k only real?

all hail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928079)

the new "update" that walks like a service pack, talks like a service pack, but isn't a service pack, thus no set rules or policy on life cycle with or without it, so microsoft can make up whatever the fuck rules it wants if you don't have it installed, even disregarding its own life cycle policies for windows.

Codename "Apocalypse" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928137)

Finally, Microsoft blessed one of their products with a codename worthy of what they actually do: Windows 8.1 "Apocalypse". Truth in advertising and all that.

What do you mean I'm reading it wrong?

You can't upgrade Windows 8.1 offline with OEM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928179)

You have to download 4GB from the Microsoft store for every single Windows workstation you have.

They do allow you to upgrade the retail version offline.

Fuck Microsoft.

Re:You can't upgrade Windows 8.1 offline with OEM (1)

Darkinspiration (901976) | about 6 months ago | (#46928465)

Well there is a way to do this, http://www.extremetech.com/computing/178091-how-to-download-and-install-windows-8-1-update-1-for-free-right-now [extremetech.com] It's not really a offline installer like methode. If you apply the KB in the wrong order it could have interesting effect. But you do have a wsus server, microsoft free update solution (as in you gotta have an AD, and CAL, and a w2008 server, and SQL free...)

As if millions of voices cried out in terror... (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | about 6 months ago | (#46928221)

And switched to OSX or Linux.

Re:As if millions of voices cried out in terror... (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 6 months ago | (#46928673)

People who don't like rapid frequent updates are unlikely to be happy with OSX. People who have trouble installing service packs because they have to do a few configuration changes to make them work are unlikely to be happy with Linux. Classic jump out of the pot into the fire.

Re:As if millions of voices cried out in terror... (2)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | about 6 months ago | (#46928805)

Not so much with OSX. Might happen once a month or so if that. Linux, sure. Lots of components seems to get updated frequently. When I run Windows, it seems like every time I boot there is some sort of update. But not really my point. If Microsoft is going to brick the machine because an earlier update failed, that's bad.

Re:As if millions of voices cried out in terror... (2)

just_another_sean (919159) | about 6 months ago | (#46928825)

I don't know, I installed Mint for my Mom to replace XP. Her and her husband actually seem more comfortable installing updates. They get notified on their desktop as regular users and I showed them how to switch user to an sudoer account and install the updates. When the updates are complete they just switch back to their regular account.

It's only been a couple of months and these are by no means power users with complex app requirements or the need to play games but that said, for their simple needs, everything they expect to be there is there and to them the maintenance piece is easier for them to understand. Especially since more than the OS gets updated with aptitude - no more updating Windows, and flash, and Java, and AV and, well you get the idea...

One of those unable to install the 8.1 update (3, Interesting)

LearningHard (612455) | about 6 months ago | (#46928229)

I'm not sure what the issue is. Both times I've tried to install it I end up with a black screen with no error message, no hard drive activity, nothing at all. Both times I've had to use my 8 disk to revert to regular Win8.

Re:One of those unable to install the 8.1 update (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928459)

you got a disk with your PC?
if this laptop doesn't boot I am SOL
damn them for not providing boot disks and no, a restore partition is not the same

Re:One of those unable to install the 8.1 update (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 6 months ago | (#46928511)

If you have a Pro license, downgrade to Windows 7.

If you don't have a Pro license, have you tried a Linux distro?

I don't know if you can still slipstream updates, but maybe you could try that. Clean installation with all mandatory patches.

whatever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928247)

Why upgrade to Vista when you've got XP?

Why upgrade to 8 when you've got 7?

VM (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | about 6 months ago | (#46928285)


I run Windows 8 in a VM on Vista. It's like a layer cake of failure.

I run in windows 7. (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about 6 months ago | (#46928301)

It works. I'm eatin' popcorn. Can't wait for shit to start 'sploding.

SteamOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928419)

Microsoft is giving everyone more and more reason to quit Windows altogether.

Useful link? (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | about 6 months ago | (#46928589)

[quote]
As most people will have heard, Microsoft will end support for anyone who hasn't upgraded to Win8.1 Update 1 on May 8
[/quote]

So, how about a link to a press release from Microsoft for verification? It doesn't seem to be mentioned on their lifetime chart.(Windows Update Lifecycle [microsoft.com] )

It is a bit ironic ... (0)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | about 6 months ago | (#46928593)

... that you still see articles based on the question, "Why should I switch to Linux?" For all those still asking that question, the answer is, in a word, "Microsoft".

regular users (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about 6 months ago | (#46928625)

Do regular users even know what and where the "update log" is?

I don't blame Microsoft for orphaning 8.1 early -- it's a mess and a corporate embarrassment, and the sooner they get people off it the better. My copy of 8 went back on the shelf, and it'll stay there until I'm comfortable that Microsoft understands that most of their customers don't have touch screens and they have to provide for that.

Geekly early adopters will figure out how to upgrade. Although they may be more vocal, they'll be less affected than the regular users, the people who buy computers to do stuff and not to manage operating systems, will be.

From a marketing standpoint, Microsoft really needs to get the name "windows 8" out of the public mindshare. It tastes like failure.

Apocalypse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928659)

Sound like the Y2K bug to me.

hurry up and update (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928667)

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsoft-reissues-botched-windows-81-update-kb-2919355-241891

And no, I do not believe the LIE that I must update immediatly

Awful (5, Informative)

blackiner (2787381) | about 6 months ago | (#46928687)

I ordered my parents a Windows 8 laptop to replace their old xp laptop, thinking, "Well, windows 8 can't be THAT bad." It was.

The thing would not download updates. It would just say "Downloading updates..." and stall for hours at a time. I searched as much as I could online and only found barely any help. Most of it involved stopping the windows update agent service, and then deleting cached update files. But then it would just freeze again when I started it again. After a whole bunch of attempts, I noticed it was filling up the cache folder again after every time I restarted the update service, and that if I waited a bit, and then rebooted the computer, it would apply a few patches. So... that's ultimately how I ended up getting the thing all patched up. Stop update service, delete all cached patches, start update service, wait a few hours while they download in the background with no fucking mention of what is going on, reboot machine. I guess running the windows update must have been causing some sort of deadlock with the background updater or something... What a fucking mess. How in the world did they ship an OS with a non functioning update manager... And to top it all off, I couldn't just download win 8.1 separately, like how you could download the xp service packs separately. If I could have just done that... it would have been a hell of a lot simpler to get everything working. Instead they want you to download it through the microsoft store in metro... which won't show up unless, you guessed it, you already have fully updated through windows update.

On the plus side, everything works fine now that it is fully updated.

Who cares? Windows is obsolete. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46928787)

Who cares? Windows is obsolete.

Disinformation (3, Insightful)

ormico (1226940) | about 6 months ago | (#46928923)

Windows 8.0 will continue to be supported.
Windows 8.1 will be supported if you have Update 1 installed.
Its only Windows 8.1 that doesn't have Update 1 that is losing support.
I'm not a fan of that, but don't make it out to be more than it is. Its certainly not the end of the world.

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