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KDE 4.0 RC 1 Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the who-wants-to-restart-x11 dept.

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angryfirelord writes "The KDE Community is happy to announce the immediate availability of the first release candidate for KDE 4.0. This release candidate marks that the majority of the components of KDE 4.0 are now approaching release quality. While the final bits of Plasma, the brand new desktop shell and panel in KDE 4, are falling into place, the KDE community decided to publish a first release candidate for the KDE 4.0 Desktop. Release Candidate 1 is the first preview of KDE 4.0 which is suitable for general use and discovering the improvements that have taken place all over the KDE codebase."

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That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21436775)

but I prefer Gnome.

Re:That's nice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437037)

That's nice, but I prefer a desktop environment that isn't absolutely convinced that, given the chance, I'll manage to accidentally hang myself.

Actually with GNOME it's even worse. It's sort of like you can either have the safety scissors that are carefully designed to only cut GNOME-brand paper, or you get a razor blade. (The theory being that you already have the safety scissors, so why bother providing a box-cutter when you can just use the safety scissors or the razor blade if you hold it reaaally carefully?)

But ignoring my hatred of GNOME and the morons that came up with its interface guidelines (I, and no one I know, have ever applied how to use my microwave to using a file browser), the important concept is choice. Choice is good.

You can use GNOME if you want to. People who want more flexibility (and to be treated like adults) can use KDE.

Re:That's nice (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437203)

I usually use GNOME because I don't like the menus in KDE, but that's really neither here nor there as given a choice I won't use either. For me Enlightenment is the best. It's got the flexible menus of GNOME, with the eye candy of KDE. Only problem with enlightenment is it's not exactly the most stable WM ever made. The development is also spotty with long patches going between usable releases.

Re:That's nice (1)

slack_prad (942084) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437365)

An option for option isn't flexibility.

Re:That's nice (-1, Troll)

hr.wien (986516) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437437)

You can use GNOME if you want to. People who want more flexibility (and to be treated like adults) can use KDE.

That's great, but why do you have to be such a condescending fuck about it? Why is it so fucking important to you that everyone agree with your choice of desktop environment? Are you really that insecure in your own opinion that you need to verbally attack anyone who dares oppose it?

Get the fuck over yourself. Different DEs work for different people. That's the whole beauty of open source. Choice! I myself use Gnome because I does everything I need it to do with a minimum of fuss, but you don't see me banging on about how excellent my choice is and how anyone preferring something different is an ignorant fool. Why should it matter to me what other people use?

Just use whatever DE makes you happy, but shut the fuck up about it already!

Re:That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437643)

Oooooo! You used more obscenities in your post than the parent poster used in his.

That must make you right...or something.

Re:That's nice (3, Funny)

crazybilly (947714) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438409)

He's just venting the frustration natural to any new Gnome user. It's a result of wanting to change things and realizing the devs didn't think you needed to be able to change that w/o an hour of googling for which text file to edit, another half an hour of which setting to change and two more hours of figuring out how you did it wrong, how to fix it and then how to do it right. Venting like this healthy. Let the man be, hehehe.

Re:That's nice (1)

phsdv (596873) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437099)

And I prefere twm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm [wikipedia.org] ). And it is available on almost any machine running X11!

Re:That's nice (1, Funny)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437249)

1982 called, they want their window manager back.

All kidding aside, what do you think of something a little more up to date but still minimalist like blackbox, or Xfce?

do not stop progress by not wanting 'bloat'... (2, Insightful)

phsdv (596873) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437679)

Yes, I agree with you, xfce is a better choice. I am actually running xfce4.4.1 on my systems. Occasionally I do use twm, mostly by accident ;-) It is always a pain to use, but it does work...

But the whole "discussion" between gnome and kde is so useless. And also the bloated thing. Who cares? More and more people (will) have multiple cores and a few Giga bytes of memory. If the window manager uses some of these resources and it makes your job easier, please do!!! In case you have a smaller computer, then go and use a smaller desktop system. And do not 'force' your limitations on everyone else by wanting to have kde/gnome to run on every computer you own.

Re:do not stop progress by not wanting 'bloat'... (4, Insightful)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437807)

Well, there's two kinds of "bloated" and people often don't differentiate between the two. There's bloated in the sense of being written poorly and wasting a lot of resources for no reason, and then there's bloated in the sense of having a whole bunch of features that various people may or may not want (which usually determines if they consider it bloated or not). The first kind of bloated of course is clearly a valid criticism that needs to be addressed, the second kind however is mostly a matter of taste. Myself, I like a bit of eye candy, but at the same time I don't like to waste a lot of space, so I tend to lean towards either Enlightenment, or Blackbox for my WM. Both can be configured to be relatively minimalist in terms of screen real estate used by the various pieces of the WM, but in the case of enlightenment it tends to use some resources because of all the eye candy options. Does that make it bloated? Maybe, but that really depends on if you like eye candy or not.

Re:do not stop progress by not wanting 'bloat'... (2, Interesting)

smellotron (1039250) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438099)

But the whole "discussion" between gnome and kde is so useless. And also the bloated thing. Who cares? More and more people (will) have multiple cores and a few Giga bytes of memory. If the window manager uses some of these resources and it makes your job easier, please do!!! In case you have a smaller computer, then go and use a smaller desktop system.

I ran into this issue at work, where my computer was an 800MHz Celeron, I believe. I was originally running Gnome, but switched to fluxbox + aterm and it made a world of a difference in terms of overall desktop responsiveness. There are plenty of people who aren't running multicore boxes and don't have a few GB of memory lying around. If KDE/Gnome can be developed to run on low-end machines and still feel "good enough", then they should be blazingly fast on the ungodly-overpowered desktop machines that are the high end of today's desktop market.

The biggest issue, IMO, is that running Konsole outside of KDE costs nearly as much system resources as running KDE all-out. If that extends to other KDE-based applications, that basically rules any KDE app from being used on a machine like I described without performance penalties. The machine shouldn't have to be powerful enough just to run a desktop environment. That's the same path that Vista is going down, where you need a supercomputer just to log in.

In fairness to the KDE folks, despite my complaints about the bloat, it still takes up less memory than Firefox (I was a web developer... working in Opera... because 800MHz isn't always enough for Firefox).

Re:That's nice (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21438079)

WHAT THE HELL FOR? Thanks to vista most off the shelf computers have at least 2 GB of ram. Let the desktop rock. If I want moving background of poledancer going off behind my transparent windows, why not? I got the memory and CPU to let it run.

Re:That's nice (-1, Offtopic)

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Did they de-fat KDE (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21436777)

Seriously, I used to hate GNOME for its simplicity but KDE turned into that fat kid stuffing double bacon cheeseburgers down his gourd about 4 years ago and he never stopped.

Fat or muscle? (4, Interesting)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436961)

And yet I find myself installing more and more KDE apps on my GNOME system because of how slow or boneheadedly featureless their GNOME equivalents are. (Evince, I stab at thee! So much hatred for its sluggish rendering and inability to change its default view.)

And when is GNOME ever going to get a good burning app like K3b?

Re:Fat or muscle? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437159)

It is clear that KDE is more resources demanding than Gnome. Eye-candy features are always more demanding in terms of RAM / CPU power. Also, precompiled binaries as RPMs for KDE (Debian RPMs for example) are always running a little bit slower (20 - 30%) than if you compile them yourself with your own optimisation flags (CPU arch... and that magical -O3 ). Compiling Gnome or KDE over Gentoo always made a huge performance difference to me. Same thing for Xorg as well. God bless Gentoo!!



marccyr AT gmail DOT com

Re:Fat or muscle? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437221)

It is clear that KDE is more resources demanding than Gnome.

No it isn't, or if it does use more, it's only a tiny amount:

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=367443&cid=21437045 [slashdot.org]

Eye-candy features are always more demanding in terms of RAM / CPU power.
Depends on how efficiently they are implemented. See e.g. e17. I can't help but notice that whenever e17 gets some new eye-candy people don't immediately scream "bloooat!".

Re:Fat or muscle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437361)

If it would be only a *tiny* amount of performance difference, there would not be alot of people in the forum mentioning that they prefer Gnome over KDE cuz Gnome runs faster. Even with eye-candy features disabled, KDE stills eats more RAM than Gnome. Bigtime.

Re:Fat or muscle? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437529)

If it would be only a *tiny* amount of performance difference, there would not be alot of people in the forum mentioning that they prefer Gnome over KDE cuz Gnome runs faster

There are also a lot of people claiming the exact opposite, which lends support to my "tiny difference" theory. It's so tiny, the placebo effect completely overrides it.

KDE stills eats more RAM than Gnome. Bigtime.

Read the link, please - it actually doesn't. Here they are again:

http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html [kde.org]

http://spooky-possum.org/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi/kdevsgnome.html [spooky-possum.org]

Note in particular the second link, by a GNOME developer (not that it matters when hard numbers and methodology are presented). Here's a quote:

KDE and GNOME identical to within a few MB!? How can we start a flame war with that? A very big congratulations to everyone working on the optimisation of GNOME! Now you just have to worry about what surprises KDE 4 will pull.
This is only to be expected since KDE adheres strongly to the Once and Once Only principle and is built with a toolkit whose makers derive a significant portion of their revenue from having it well on embedded devices.

Re:Fat or muscle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437411)

Ricer.

Re:Fat or muscle? (3, Funny)

passthecrackpipe (598773) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437431)

Also, precompiled binaries as RPMs for KDE (Debian RPMs for example) are always running a little bit slower

where can I find these RPM's for Debian? And do I need to run them through alien first?

Re:Fat or muscle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437553)

Oups!! My bad. I simply ment RPMs. Or anything precompiled (and not optimized for your arch).



Marc ;)

Re:Fat or muscle? (5, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437801)

And yet I find myself installing more and more KDE apps on my GNOME system because of how slow or boneheadedly featureless their GNOME equivalents are.

I find that the KDE apps (k3b, kate, etc.) are more full-featured, but the Gnome desktop seems much cleaner to me. So I'm just glad they can peacefully coexist.

Re:Fat or muscle? (1)

timothy (36799) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438095)

Same here.

I like lots of the KDE apps (K3B is awesome, though the Gnome burning apps are now quite good as well). Yep -- it's nice that I can run the Gnome desktop (which I find very pleasant, though I like others as well) and KDE apps. I look forward to Okular as my PDF reader, for instance, but Kpdf is probably the fastest and more flexible of the various PDF readers on my system at present.

timothy

Re:Fat or muscle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21438307)

And when is GNOME ever going to get a good burning app like K3b?

Good god, I hope it never does.

In GNOME, I can just drag files to the CD-R window, or right-click an .iso and choose Burn. I think that's pretty darn good.

I tried K3b once, because everybody said it was so cool. There's a waste of half an hour. The entire interface is completely full of panels, dialogs boxes, checkboxes, and radio buttons. (It's like the designers thought a blank screen is a challenge to fill it with as many things as possible.) And despite having used horrible command-line tools for CD burning in the past, I couldn't figure out what a lot of the controls were supposed to do, so I had to read large portions of the Help file. Unfortunately, the Help is in a cool browser window, so it's one page per option (or maybe per panel).

It was in fact far worse than command-line clients. On the command-line, you can say "try the defaults!" by simply not passing in any flags; in the GUI, there was no way to tell what was default or not -- initially the options looked like a checkerboard, so you couldn't even simply uncheck everything. And on the command-line, when you want help, there's a single place (the manpage) to find help, and you can search the entire thing, and nothing else, quickly and easily; KDE help is probably neat if you're browsing around, but if you want "show me what all of these switches do!", it stinks.

So I wasted 30 minutes trying to get K3b to do something, and then gave up and went back to the command-line. That, I think, is the ultimate insult for any program. Well, that and being so painful that it inspires one to rant on slashdot about what a horrible program it is.

I like to think that K3b has gotten better since then, but I doubt it. The entire KDE way seems to be "let's have entire menus of menus of dialog boxes of options". Can the user's CD burner spin at 53x? Then we need to have a control in the interface that says "53x"! We can't possibly disallow the user from doing something that is technically possible, no matter how stupid it might be!

Re:Did they de-fat KDE (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437045)

And yet, despite all the extra features and configurability, KDE still manages to use about the same resources as GNOME:

http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html [kde.org]

http://spooky-possum.org/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi/kdevsgnome.html [spooky-possum.org]

KDE doesn't have much fat; it has muscle.

Re:Did they de-fat KDE (2, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437337)

Extra features and configurability aren't always a good thing at all. The KDE control center is atrocious with far too many panels, tabs, dialogs arranged illogically with common settings mixed in amongst obscure settings.

It seems KDE devs may have realised this since KDE 4 appears to have something more comparable to the OS X prefs (and GNOME's).

Re:Did they de-fat KDE (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437551)

My only complaint is that the more advanced features are mixed in with standard ones.
The categories are pretty nice. A little bit of attention would make them perfect.

Re:Did they de-fat KDE (1)

smellotron (1039250) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438211)

Extra features and configurability aren't always a good thing at all. The KDE control center is atrocious with far too many panels, tabs, dialogs arranged illogically with common settings mixed in amongst obscure settings.

I wholeheartedly agreee... I've always been turned off by the sheer number of configurations that are presented in the GUI. Something more along the lines of Firefox/Thunderbird may be more appropriate, where there's a GUI to handle the common cases, and some sort of "raw configuration" access for the rare cases (like tuning your TCP/IP stack).

But here's the real kicker. KDE's configuration is all stored in nice little files in your home directory (IIRC, it's ~/.kde/config/*). The config files are all easy to edit by hand, assuming you have any sort of external documentation (say... maybe something on kde.org? Not sure, haven't looked it up recently). For anyone trying to synchronize desktop settings between machines, having an /etc-like tree of INI-style configuration files sure beats Gnome's registry solution. I like to put my configuration files in subversion (and be able to see *meaningful* diffs), so KDE works great for me. Configure once, run everywhere.

Yes but... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21436813)

does it run on Vista?

Re:Yes but... (5, Informative)

Surye (580125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436995)

It's built on QT4, so after they iron out a few details, yes [kde.org] .

kde 4 apps will run on Windows (5, Interesting)

eean (177028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437021)

Plasma isn't planning too, but most KDE apps will be able to run on Windows. If not at the KDE 4.0, then in the near future.

Slashdotted. (5, Informative)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436821)

Looks like plasma.kde.org is Slashdotted right now, so hey -- Wikipedia to the rescue. [wikipedia.org]

Slashdotted (5, Informative)

JBHarris (890771) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436841)

The main site [slashdot.org] is already bogged down. However, the major change is the completion & inclusion of Plasma [wikipedia.org] . I like candy.

Re:Slashdotted (1, Redundant)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437547)

Mmmm yeah, plasma. From the wikipedia page:

providing an API for developers to write widgets and mini-applications called plasmoids, to place on the desktop and panel


I don't care what the official name of them is, I'm going to call 'em plasmids :)

Re:Slashdotted (1)

dbc001 (541033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438351)

The wiki article mentions that support for Apple Dashboard widgets is planned - that would be a huge boost.

In my opinion, the Dashboard is one of Apple's best features, and is really the only thing that I miss when I switch to a PC. The concept of having one-click access to lots of (configurable) real-time data is huge paradigm shift over the old methods (taskbar applets, etc).

Screenshots (5, Informative)

arevos (659374) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436843)

Screenshots [thecodingstudio.com] are important for superficial people like me :)

I like the widget and window theme, but the kicker replacement at the bottom looks pretty tacky. It was the same in beta, and I'd hoped they'd change it for release, but it seems like they're sticking with it.

Re:Screenshots (4, Insightful)

Mistshadow2k4 (748958) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437123)

I wouldn't say it makes you superficial. Good screenshots can be very informative when deciding whether or not you might like a program (or desktop environment), especially if you can see effects and/or menus.

Redunant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437939)

I would't say a holier-than-thou stance dealing nothing but redunancy is a career to crave for. I would analyze my own post if I were you, and evade using its "desired effect" for anything, in future dialogues. (Well, if I (you) can identify the "desired effect idea," then I (you) guess anyone can, and so it's not a good thing to do, it's become "undisguised", so to speak.)

If it's something the world doesn't need, its truly people who act like you. - Noone needs this kind of shit.

Re:Screenshots (0, Redundant)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437163)

Dude, that link just got slashdotted hard. Think twice before posting a link to something on /. even in the comments.

Re:Screenshots (1)

arevos (659374) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437235)

Dude, that link just got slashdotted hard.
Are you sure it's not just you? It still works fine for me.

Re:Screenshots (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437287)

Dude, that link just got slashdotted hard.
Are you sure it's not just you? It still works fine for me.
Well, I tried it again and it's working now. When I tried it earlyer I got a warning page saying the sight had exceeded its alloted CPU cycles. I'm guessing maybe an admin took a look at where the traffic was coming from and was kind enough to up this guys resource cap.

Re:Screenshots (1)

GuldKalle (1065310) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438245)

Yeah, it's up again, but only one picture, and this text:

You're killing the server /. Here's one KDE 4.0 RC 1 screen shot for now. Check back later.

Re:Screenshots (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438135)

Heh, I got something like "You're killing the server, /. Here's one screenshot for now; check back later." : D

Re:Screenshots (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437201)

In a word... UGH! I've been using Dolphin under KDE3 for a good six months now and have been loving it (barring apps like Ark not having any integration with it yet), but what they've done to Kicker looks absolutely hideous, in keeping with what they've done to my beloved Amarok interface in Amarok 2
http://amarok.kde.org/blog/uploads/Amarok2preview30-07-07.png [kde.org]
http://amarok.kde.org/blog/uploads/jamendo_ktorrent.png [kde.org]

Can anyone show me any tasteful and useful implementations of Plasma? Or is it just being bandied about as bling-tastic fluff at the moment?

Re:Screenshots (4, Informative)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437285)

I like the widget and window theme, but the kicker replacement at the bottom looks pretty tacky. It was the same in beta, and I'd hoped they'd change it for release, but it seems like they're sticking with it.

No, it's gonna look like this [imageshack.us] . In fact, it already does in CVS apparently.

Re:Screenshots (1)

arevos (659374) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437383)

No, it's gonna look like this [imageshack.us] . In fact, it already does in CVS apparently.
I'm not sure that looks much better...

Re:Screenshots (1, Interesting)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437441)

Maybe it's just me, but it looks like they've tried to emulate Vista and ended up making it look even more childish. Why are the icons all ridiculously huge and ridiculously tiny? Why are the sides of the taskbar chopped off? What's the point in rounding off the corners? I was going to say I'm not usually the sort of person who runs lots of eye-candy applets but it seems under KDE4 users aren't given much choice :/

I just hope to hell that the final release comes with a plasma theme the restores some semblance of sanity to the frankly (IMHO, natch) ridiculous looking taskbars in those screenshots.

Re:Screenshots (2, Insightful)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437633)

Why are the icons all ridiculously huge and ridiculously tiny?

Why did they put 3 battery applets on the desktop? Why is the clock huge and in the middle of the panel? Because it's not final. You can't honestly think that those buttons will stay that way?!

Why are the sides of the taskbar chopped off? What's the point in rounding off the corners?

Because it's not full size? You can have it run all the way across the bottom and it won't have the corners and sides but if you have a panel that's less then the full width of the desktop you're probably interested in what the sides are gonna look like.

I was going to say I'm not usually the sort of person who runs lots of eye-candy applets but it seems under KDE4 users aren't given much choice :/

And you got that insight from what exactly?

Re:Screenshots (1)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437391)

Oh my goodness, what have they done to the kicker bar? It now looks like that cr@p in Microsoft Vista!

Can the kicker be reduced in width / not fixed to 100% and be made transparent? The thing is hideously ugly.

Re:Screenshots (1)

whatevah (1130459) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437675)

Oh come one... it's not tacky!!! Maybe unintuitive, or too simple, or ... retro? But not tacky!!!

Re:Screenshots (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437843)

Ick, I don't like it. To much like OSX. I hope that look is optional (it SHOULD be, knowing how KDE is configurable)

Then again, much of that is as much due to the colors and icons, and not so much the actual programs.

Screenshots and previews of slightly olderreleases (4, Informative)

Rudd-O (20139) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436851)

I have reviews of the general KDE desktop [rudd-o.com] and Dolphin 4 [rudd-o.com] on my page. I will review RC1 as soon as I can get Kubuntu packages.

Re:Screenshots and previews of slightly olderrelea (-1, Flamebait)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437169)

It's a shame Dolphin sucks so much. If they were going to switch file managers they should have picked something good like Krusader [sourceforge.net] . Krusader is _THE_ reason I'm no longer a fluxbox user.

Re:Screenshots and previews of slightly olderrelea (2, Interesting)

Dulcise (840718) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437677)

Actually, Dolphin (from my experiences) can be set up a lot like Krusader, in a nice split screen with hotkey short cuts, I was much a grieved to find there isn't anything like it when I tried to switch to gnome yesterday (to check out Fusion).

Graphics suck (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21436853)

Seems like a step backwards to me. I really feel that GNOME is much more refined and this looks more like alpha quality than a release candidate. I used to be a heavy KDE user but stopped using it once the developers started paying less attention to detail. Sorry about my rant but this is just my feeling on the issue.

Re:Graphics suck (1)

MrNemesis (587188) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437499)

How is this offtopic? It's an opinion on TFA.

Re:Graphics suck (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438327)

This isnt a Release Candidate in the usual sense. Its still got quite a bit more to be done on it.

Also the graphics are full SVG. Very pretty.

Coming together (4, Informative)

eean (177028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436865)

I finally tried out a full KDE4 session last week and it is really coming together. I really look forward to the creative stuff people make with Plasma. Its not just a tool for having fun widgets on the desktop (which it is), but its designed so folks can easily develop their own taskbar, interactive wallpaper whatever.

So KDE 4.0 will be cool, KDE 4.0 + 6 months of people creating fun plasmoids, even cooler.

Release Candidate or Beta --what's the diff? (5, Insightful)

KWTm (808824) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437505)

Am I alone in thinking that people are abusing the term "Release Candidate"? Since there already is a term, "beta", that means "functional, with minor bugs to be ironed out", I would consider "Release Candidate" to refer to a true candidate --that is, it might really be released! KDE (or whoever the responsible author is) might say: "Okay, all those of you who downloaded Release Candidate x (where x=1,2,...), you can just go ahead and keep using it, because the RC has turned into the real thing."

Software or distros that are "coming together" are not Release Candidates. They have no possibility of being released. Suppose everyone who tried this KDE4 RC1 said, "Yup, everything works fine! No changes need to be made," would KDE release it? No, because they're NOT DONE YET --Plasma still has to be put together. Since they won't be releasing this version at all, it shouldn't be called a Release Candidate. It's another beta.

There's no shame in calling it beta (heck, half of Google's services are labeled beta); I don't see the need to keep advancing the terms. What's next? If "Release Candidate" comes to mean "beta", should we start using the term "Release Candidate with Potential For Use Unchanged"?

Maybe someone can correct on this if I'm wrong. What makes this a Release Candidate and not a Beta?

(Btw, diehard KDE fan here --I'm not even considering GNOME until they start having user-configurable key shortcuts. Waiting for KDE4 final release in December to be worked into Gutsy so I can put it on my Came-With-Ubuntu laptop.)

Re:Release Candidate or Beta --what's the diff? (1)

orcrist (16312) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437657)

Agree. 100%. Took the words out of my mouth.

Re:Release Candidate or Beta --what's the diff? (1)

eean (177028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438317)

Release management is a complicated thing. In this case it would be really easy to just delay and delay KDE 4. It wouldn't really accomplish anything though.

Re:Release Candidate or Beta --what's the diff? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21438369)

Am I alone in thinking that people are abusing the term "Release Candidate"?

No, you aren't alone, but according to KDE fanboys [kde.org] , beta means that it compiles and release candidate means they've decided what features are going in. And if you disagree, then you're an idiot who doesn't understand open-source.

Whether 4.0 will actually be usable depends on the way in which you ask. If you read the press releases or praise the developers, then 4.0 will be the best thing since sliced bread. But if you are worried about the quality and wondering why they are dropping features that were in KDE 3, then 4.0 is merely a preview release and 4.1 is going to be the real, finished thing. That way, they can get all the praise, but write off any criticism as "it's not ready yet", regardless of how finished the final release is.

For example, the much exalted Plasma has been hyped since long before it ever existed. It had its own website when it was nothing more than mocked up screenshots and vague descriptions of how awesome it was going to be. And it was hyped right up until the alphas, when people were wondering where it was. It seems to be a last-minute job, and when people on dot.kde.org complain that "basically nothing works" in response to the third beta, one of the core developers responds with "i'm not particularly taken by the heartstrings people are plucking here. there are lots of things to test and bump around with in these betas. stop fixating on plasma for the moment; you'll get to play with more of its features as more releases come. [...] there is exactly one release that counts for plasma, and that'll be 4.0, though the rc's leading up to it will be important as well. there is also exactly one canonical place to gauge the "workingness" (hm. neat word.) of things right now and that's svn." [kde.org] . The KDE project is not interested in using the release cycle as a method of quality assurance, they release betas in order to show off how far they have gotten with features for the people who can't compile it themselves. As somebody else put it [kde.org] : " I know Plasma is barely more than a fetus at this point, and it doesn't even fully replicate all the features of the old desktop." - that's in response to the third beta, and still people tell him to wait. Shouldn't a core part of the desktop be relatively finished by the third beta?

Disclaimer: I've used KDE since the 1.0 betas. I'm no GNOME troll. I just think the attitude the project is taking towards 4.0 seems to be all about ego and has dropped the transparency or quality that I've become used to with open-source projects.

PS: I think it utterly sucks that I have to add disclaimers like that because otherwise I get called a troll (which is apparently the term for people who do something other than emit unadulterated praise for the developers on dot.kde.org). Christ, look at the fawning that is normal on the dot [kde.org] : many people says that kde3.0 was untable, full of bug and that kde will be the same, but kde4 look really stable, some parts crash, but the are apps like juk, kwin4 like composite works without problems, dolphin stable, i have hope that when kde4.0 is released can be used like kde3.5.x." That's right, it's not unstable or full of bugs if some of the apps work, and it's considered praiseworthy to hope that KDE 4 is as good as KDE 3.5. This is ridiculous.

KDE 4 Live CD (5, Informative)

Rich (9681) | more than 6 years ago | (#21436947)

For people who want to check out the RC without reinstalling KDE (and without risking breaking your existing setup) there's a live CD available at:
http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ [kde.org]
Have a lot of fun!

Re:KDE 4 Live CD (1)

angryfirelord (1082111) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437421)

Along with the SuSE disc, (K)Ubuntu users can add it to their repos: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php [kubuntu.org]

I'm sure that KDE 4 RC1 will be added to Debian's experimental repos shortly.

OpenNovell == belch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437717)

Don't want to disrespect the effort you put into creating that but does anyone have one based on a distro by a vendor that doesn't suck Ballmers weenie?

KDE vs Gnome (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21436971)

So here is a question from someone trying to move to Linux on a laptop for my kids to use.

KDE or Gnome?

I recently had a very busy weekend trying edubutu, ubunutu, xubuntu, and gOS on an IBM T40, with mixed results.
I did not get around to kubuntu, perhaps I should have.

All around, it went very smoothly, particularly with improvements to my networked printers.

But I never could get the multimedia apps to behave correctly. The iron test was www.nasa.gov. My five year old could watch the videos there all day long. The best I could achieve was getting about 2/3 of them working. Even then, they didn't stream, they downloaded in their entirety, then started playing.

Yes, I went through all the ubuntu lists. I loaded mplayer, w32codecs, and flash_non_free. All to no avail.

Would I have had better luck with a KDE install?

FYI: I started in Unix on PDP-11 back in the day and have been on various SVR4/Solaris/RH4/BSD hosts ever since, so I am not a total newbie on this. But I do not normally do multimedia in those environments.

Re:KDE vs Gnome (0, Offtopic)

eean (177028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437147)

KDE or Gnome won't matter for this sort of thing generally.

Assuming you meant Nasa TV, did you try just installing Real Player? Its Linux version is way less bloated. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods [ubuntu.com]

The summary is you add the Canonical commercial repos and then apt-get install realplay.

For most other video (and maybe the Nasa site as well) mozilla-mplayer works well.

Re:KDE vs Gnome (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437281)

GNOME. It's simpler, has less to break and works just fine for adults and children. If you absolutely must have every single knob, dial, button and setting in your face or reachable from a menu then KDE is a better choice.

Re:KDE vs Gnome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437533)

*NOT* Gnome, that's for sure. I use Gnome but I'm waiting for KDE 4 and then I'm leaving.

I don't need every single knob, dial, button, and setting in my face. But it sure would be nice to be able to do things like add my own icons and MIME types or adjust the screen-saver settings. You know, the things that every desktop environment since Windows 3.1 can do.

If you think simple stuff like that falls into the category of 'power user', then I suggest you take a look at a calendar. It's 2007, damnit!

Gnome has been dumbed down to the point of uselessness.

Re:KDE vs Gnome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21438149)

Gnome is for retards, no surprise that there's a strong mono contingent over there. KDE is like the clean-cut, sporty desktop, I like some of the ideas but somehow I still hate it.

My fav desktop is XFCE, closely followed by fluxbox WM. Then it's IceWM and E17, with WindowMaker, FWM, KDE and finally Gnome. But whichever way you look at it, KHTML and Gecko are the future of app development. The desktop enviroment is becoming less and less relevant each year.

Re:KDE vs Gnome (4, Informative)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437999)

KDE or Gnome?

I recently had a very busy weekend trying edubutu, ubunutu, xubuntu, and gOS on an IBM T40, with mixed results.
I did not get around to kubuntu, perhaps I should have.
Ubuntu is (for the most part) a Gnome environment. Kubuntu is the KDE oriented version of Ubuntu. At this point, Kubuntu lacks the polish seen in Ubuntu. As you seem to be getting your feet wet, you probably would want to stick with Ubuntu and its polished Gnome environment.

Me, myself... I'm using Kubuntu. I just like KDE better and am familiar enough with it to deal with Kubuntu's occasional rough edge. You might feel inclined to test those waters once you're feeling like you've got a good footing.

It should be stressed that the issue of Gnome vs. KDE (vs. Blackbox, Enlightenment, etc., etc.) is mostly a matter of interface and taste. The applications you run aren't necessarily restricted by your desktop... even if they are often bundled with one project or another.

The way I see it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21438347)

you have 4 choices:

KDE & vi
KDE & emacs
Gnome & vi
Gnome & emacs

Let the flames begin!

Compiz (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437097)

Does Compiz Fusion work with KDE4's RC's? I love my KDE, but I've grown quite fond of Compiz Fusion... do they still support the aquamarine widget translator or whatever that is?

Re:Compiz (1)

eean (177028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437189)

Just promise to try out KWin's composition features first when KDE 4 comes out. Their emphasis is on functionality. It would be like adding salt to your food before eating any if you don't try KWin out first. :)

Goddamnit (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437171)

When are you people going to learn!! If there are no screenshots THEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!

GODDAMNN!

Hey Slashdot, (-1, Troll)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437191)

Your KDE logo is outdated. In fact it's been replaced in 2001 I think. With a large and professional staff like on /. that works hard to bring us only the latest, most relevant stories you'd think that one of you lazy fuckers would be able to head over to the official kde site and use one of their provided logos [kde.org] .

I mean you've finally managed to replace the similarily outdated GNOME logo so get your ass in gear.

Re:Hey Slashdot, (1)

eean (177028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437241)

I figured they were just being quaint.

But I suppose just lazy if they updated the Gnome icon.

Re:Hey Slashdot, (1, Flamebait)

Falladir (1026636) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437339)

You'll catch more flies with honey, man. There's a place for vinegar, and this isn't it.

The outdated logo reflects Slashdot's history. If they changed the icons too often, it would be distracting and hurt continuity. You'll probably be modded down for trolling or baiting flames, and you deserve it.

Re:Hey Slashdot, (1, Flamebait)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438017)

The outdated logo reflects Slashdot's history.

Unlike the GNOME logo?

If they changed the icons too often, it would be distracting and hurt continuity.

Once every six years should be possible without distracting everyone.

You'll probably be modded down for trolling or baiting flames, and you deserve it.

What trolling? I called them lazy and that's about it. Since when is calling someone "lazy" on /. enough to be called a troll? If I'd called them sons of whores that ass-rape sheeps while devouring Linus' children for the greater glory of Adolf Hitler, it might have been borderline trolling. But lazy?!

Even more importantly, dupes are a running gag on /. (although they seem to occur less frequently nowadays; the tagging system at work or nostalgia at work? =) and quite often you realize that not even the editor who posted a story bothered to click the links included. If that's not lazy I don't know what is.

Re:Hey Slashdot, (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438201)

What trolling? I called them lazy and that's about it.

No, you didn't. You called them "lazy fuckers," which is significantly less polite than merely calling them "lazy."

Is Baghira supported? (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437333)

Me likee me brushed goldtone metal theme...

LOOKS great! (1)

j_sp_r (656354) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437359)

I installed it using the OpenSUSE buildservice, but I can't seem to find out how I do these things:

1) Dock the systray in the panel
2) Move the taskbar inside the panel (or any other applet for that sake)
3) Remove plasmoids

Other then that, it start to look slick!

PS. I tried finding this information on the internet, found some close bugreports and it seems the functionality might be there, but as long as I cannot find out how it works (I tend to get spammed a lot about computer problems) it's not really userfriendly (or poweruserfriendly for that matter)...

I am about the interest (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437387)

For one thing, I am happy about the interest in KDE. With the flames about KDE I used to read on slashdot, I am happy to knew that there are still folks that are interested in KDE and its direction.

These folks have contributed to what many call the slashdot effect on sites that host KDE news.

Question is: Would it be the same effect if it were GNOME?

Why do I want a giant clock or battery widget (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437449)

on my desktop? That's the best they can come up with to show off their spankin' new window manager?

Why is it that everything KDE has to be GIANT and UGLY?
Kand Kwhy Kmust Kevery Kapp Kbe Knamed Klike Kthis?

I've always had a sneaking suspicion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437903)

...that these guys [urbandictionary.com] were their GUI designers.

Re:Why do I want a giant clock or battery widget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437983)

Why is it that everything KDE has to be GIANT and UGLY?

You might want to check your usage of "has" in this instance. Most of this shit is configurable. If you're just too lazy to change it, then use something else and shut up.

Re:Why do I want a giant clock or battery widget (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438039)

i think he is one of those lolcat fanboys...

i has cheezeburger...

Re:Why do I want a giant clock or battery widget (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21437987)

Kand Kwhy Kmust Kevery Kapp Kbe Knamed Klike Kthis?

Gexactly. GGNOME Gdoesn't Ghave Gthese Gissues.

Re:Why do I want a giant clock or battery widget (1)

silent_artichoke (973182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438411)

gI gDon't gKnow. iThat's e-Strange. xSeems iTo kBe gA xTrend.

KDE4 Graphics (1)

Mazin07 (999269) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437509)

Will there be full hardware-acceleration of the graphical effects, like Compiz provides, or will KDE 4 continue to have ugly faux transparency? The screenshots of Plasma look nice, but if there's no good graphics engine behind it, like OS X does, then it's merely a gimmick.

Re:KDE4 Graphics (2, Informative)

ssj_195 (827847) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437635)

Will there be full hardware-acceleration of the graphical effects, like Compiz provides,

Yes. There already is, in fact. Aaron Seigo has prepared a screencast which will be linked with this week's Commit Digest. Among other things, it shows the true transparency of Plasma applets and the panel. Also, you can check out these old (non-Plasma related) kwin_composite videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WBLlc6xCQ4 [youtube.com]

or will KDE 4 continue to have ugly faux transparency?

Eavesdropping on IRC, I get the feeling that aseigo hates this hack more than you do ;)

...where's the meat? (4, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437515)

Well, I can't say I object to any of these improvements, but most of them seem pretty minor and incremental. Cleaner APIs and more efficient libraries are nice. For the end user, where's the meat of this release? Okay now it supports Widgets. Well, that can be sort of useful if there is a good selection of them. I've heard claims they added support for OS X native widgets and that could help a lot to make this actually useful. Anyone actually tried using them yet?

When a new full version comes out and I find myself looking forward to the improved spellchecker, because it is still worse architecturally than on other platforms I use, but at least it is better... well I start to wonder what happened. I'm not trying to put down the developers or anything, this is obviously a lot of work, especially Dolphin, but I guess I was hoping for more. When will KParts be upgraded to work like OS X system services? Where's grammar checking? Where's anything we haven't seen on another OS/Window manager already? As a Kubuntu user, I guess I'm just not really as excited by this as I'd like to be.

Release Candidate released (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437565)

I don't think "candidate" means what you think it means.

FreeDesktop.org? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21437757)

Has KDE made any more progress in cross-desktop (eg. with GNOME) compatibility according to the FreeDesktop.org [freedesktop.org] compatibility specs?

Re:FreeDesktop.org? (0, Troll)

SargentDU (1161355) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438133)

Why don't you investigate your site and let us know?
Why ask us and then give that webaddress?
Too lazy to go there yourself?

Re:FreeDesktop.org? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438213)

Investigate "my" site? What are you talking about?

I'm not a KDE expert - or even a FreeDesktop.org expert. This is an announcement of KDE, so I asked thinking a KDE expert could tell not only me that relevant news, but also the rest of the people reading. Who might not be familiar with FreeDesktop.org and its relevance to KDE, but could learn something about it, even if they don't have the answer I'm looking for.

What do you think Web discussion sites are for? Are you too stupid to understand that you are not the only one reading the page you're staring at?

Decent Software - But the Marketing? (2, Informative)

jdeisenberg (37914) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438007)

I did a quick test with a KDE 4.0 LiveCD a couple of days ago; it worked well, and I like the way it looks. But who decided on the code name?(from the press release):

KDE Project Ships First Release Candidate for Leading Free Software Desktop, Codename "Calamity"

Re:Decent Software - But the Marketing? (2, Funny)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 6 years ago | (#21438401)

Klearly it should have been named Kalamity.

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